Official Knicks Coaching Search Thread

[DaGawd]

I’ll trust Shams and Marc stein and what they’re saying over anyone ontknow:

haven't been listening. they're expressly telling you the knicks are only going after coaches under contract... or that's just all you've heard about so far?

They’ve confirmed Kidd was at the top of our list. And the only moves we’ve made was contacting other teams coaches. It’s pretty clear our plan A is to steal a coach from another team.

i like it, ruthless aggression

[GONYK]

Leon doesn't care about fan or media reactions. He doesn't talk to the press.

He's not going to do things just for the theater of it all.

[mpharris36]

Leon doesn't care about fan or media reactions. He doesn't talk to the press.

He's not going to do things just for the theater of it all.

Apparently Mikal is calling the shots anyway.

[Knick4Real]

can’t wait for mikal to be traded for durant again

Popper just said KD ain’t coming

[Gravy]

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Embarrassing man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**** embarrassing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so people in the league are responding to this search just like some of us are. but we're the crazy ones.

You believe that Shams was talking to a crowd in Indiana about the Knicks in the middle of the Finals, that was cgi, do your own research.

[GONYK]

Leon doesn't care about fan or media reactions. He doesn't talk to the press.

He's not going to do things just for the theater of it all.

Apparently Mikal is calling the shots anyway.

Mikal doesn't have power, but he does have influence.

It's unclear how much the FO wants to re-sign him, though, so I think overindexing on his influence is a bit premature.

It wasn't just him though. If half the roster says they were "unclear on their role" (which really means they don't like their role) then any management team will look at that.

[mpharris36]

Leon doesn't care about fan or media reactions. He doesn't talk to the press.

He's not going to do things just for the theater of it all.

Apparently Mikal is calling the shots anyway.

Mikal doesn't have power, but he does have influence.

It's unclear how much the FO wants to re-sign him, though, so I think overindexing on his influence is a bit premature.

It wasn't just him though. If half the roster says they were "unclear on their role" (which really means they don't like their role) then any management team will look at that.

Of course players have influence but if Mikal doesn't agree to that team friendly extension then he will be traded as well. Its just the way the team operates.

OG is one of the highest paid players on the team he certainly has influence...he is likely who Hart was talking about early in the season to buy-in and player there roles.

KAT has influence because he is a big name piece was also traded for.

Brunson has influence because he is the captain.

I don't think anyone outside of Brunson has legit power. You aren't making decision solely based on what Mikal or KAT or OG had to say. They all very likely didn't mesh with Thibs.

Thats just the players...you know WWW has a lot of influence, aller does as well...they brought in Gersan he does as well.

Then everything cycles back up wot Leon for the ultimate decision (they even bring in Dolan probably when money is invovled like the Thibs firing).

[GONYK]

Apparently Mikal is calling the shots anyway.

Mikal doesn't have power, but he does have influence.

It's unclear how much the FO wants to re-sign him, though, so I think overindexing on his influence is a bit premature.

It wasn't just him though. If half the roster says they were "unclear on their role" (which really means they don't like their role) then any management team will look at that.

Of course players have influence but if Mikal doesn't agree to that team friendly extension then he will be traded as well. Its just the way the team operates.

OG is one of the highest paid players on the team he certainly has influence...he is likely who Hart was talking about early in the season to buy-in and player there roles.

KAT has influence because he is a big name piece was also traded for.

Brunson has influence because he is the captain.

I don't think anyone outside of Brunson has legit power. You aren't making decision solely based on what Mikal or KAT or OG had to say. They all very likely didn't mesh with Thibs.

Brunson is the most powerful athlete in NY and he publicly wanted Thibs to stay.

I don't think Mikal alone has more juice than Jalen.

[8516knicks]

What’s worse is that we ultimately gave power to Mikal Bridges, a role player. By trading 5 picks for him and needing to resign him, he’s basically got the front office by the balls and they are jumping through hoops to try to accommodate his wishes. If you think it’s bad now, wait until we negotiate his next deal.

The Mikal trade was bad but we didn’t know how bad at the time.

Yikes!

I think Mikal should be traded to add more depth but why is he being singled out when all reports indicate multiple Knicks threw Tom to the Wolves? Deuce literally let off the first shot after we lost, in public at that.

I feel like people are just making up their own narratives.

"Dolan fired Thibs unilaterally"

"Mikal has the front office by the balls and they fired Thibs because of him."

I've seen zero credible reporting that any of this is true.

Others floating it was kat

[Jeff Van Gully]

I’ll trust Shams and Marc stein and what they’re saying over anyone ontknow:

haven't been listening. they're expressly telling you the knicks are only going after coaches under contract... or that's just all you've heard about so far?

They’ve confirmed Kidd was at the top of our list. And the only moves we’ve made was contacting other teams coaches. It’s pretty clear our plan A is to steal a coach from another team.

so, no.

because, same question. how do you know the bold?

[mpharris36]

Mikal doesn't have power, but he does have influence.

It's unclear how much the FO wants to re-sign him, though, so I think overindexing on his influence is a bit premature.

It wasn't just him though. If half the roster says they were "unclear on their role" (which really means they don't like their role) then any management team will look at that.

Of course players have influence but if Mikal doesn't agree to that team friendly extension then he will be traded as well. Its just the way the team operates.

OG is one of the highest paid players on the team he certainly has influence...he is likely who Hart was talking about early in the season to buy-in and player there roles.

KAT has influence because he is a big name piece was also traded for.

Brunson has influence because he is the captain.

I don't think anyone outside of Brunson has legit power. You aren't making decision solely based on what Mikal or KAT or OG had to say. They all very likely didn't mesh with Thibs.

Brunson is the most powerful athlete in NY and he publicly wanted Thibs to stay.

I don't think Mikal alone has more juice than Jalen.

I think Brunson liked Thibs and respected him I also don't know if he was banging down the desk for him to stay.

it was more of like I don't want him fired but he also isn't going to throw a fit now because he's gone. Same with Hart. It's just no their personality and they have had the most years with Thibs outside of Mitch.

Again if we are believing one of the BKE reports that 7 out of 9 players had issues with Thibs and the guess is they aren't asking Hukporti what his feelings on Thibs is or even valuing it that means KAT, Mikal, OG, Mitch, and Deuce along with any other rotation player like Precious ect probably had issues with Thibs. If it was just Mikal then yes maybe I would understand but it was pretty much the entire team that had issues with him.

Then factor in the lineup thing with Hart at the end of the year. the issues with WWW a few years back. Thibs was on thin ice to begin with. The majority of the playres having an issue with him probably was the final straw.

[Context]

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Did Leon tell Shams this?

[Fury]

I don't know. I think if the Knicks were just satisfied with making the Conference Finals, and felt like they could get by being successful in the playoffs without any real ambitions towards winning a title, they could have easily justified keeping Thibs and chugging along. No one would have blinked an eye. I'm not gonna get mad at them for being driven to win a title and making the moves necessary even if they're risky or difficult to make. Shouldn't we be happy that they're doing this? That they're not standing pat when that would've been the safe and unambitious move to make?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

The whole drama over "no plan" thing is funny, as though half the team pulling a mutiny on the coach is something you can plan for. No, you react to that, and the proper reaction is to fire the coach. I get it though, needing to frame his firing as a mistake is the thing now.

[KnixinSix]

Mikal doesn't have power, but he does have influence.

It's unclear how much the FO wants to re-sign him, though, so I think overindexing on his influence is a bit premature.

It wasn't just him though. If half the roster says they were "unclear on their role" (which really means they don't like their role) then any management team will look at that.

Of course players have influence but if Mikal doesn't agree to that team friendly extension then he will be traded as well. Its just the way the team operates.

OG is one of the highest paid players on the team he certainly has influence...he is likely who Hart was talking about early in the season to buy-in and player there roles.

KAT has influence because he is a big name piece was also traded for.

Brunson has influence because he is the captain.

I don't think anyone outside of Brunson has legit power. You aren't making decision solely based on what Mikal or KAT or OG had to say. They all very likely didn't mesh with Thibs.

Brunson is the most powerful athlete in NY and he publicly wanted Thibs to stay.

I don't think Mikal alone has more juice than Jalen.

What someone says publicly may not be exactly what he feels privately

[Capn'O]

We do have a plan/direct path. Interview who we can interview and then hire the preferred candidate. They're not going to tell us what every step is going to be along the way.

What are we even doing here?

[mpharris36]

Shams is the best at breaking news but I don't think he has any connections to the Knicks (woj did).

Shams keeps saying the Knicks made a trade offer for Durant and they are interested but Begley and Popper on the knicks beat who are respected keep saying that there really isn't much at all interest in Durant and its unlikely anything happens.

Shams is now part of ESPN...he is paid for Knicks for clicks with the rumor mill stuff.

I say that to say this...I don't think he knows who the f*ck we are interested in our coaching search...he knows about the current coaching and the teams declining our requests because that is public knowledge because you have to formally request permission.

[MrDollarBills]

What’s worse is that we ultimately gave power to Mikal Bridges, a role player. By trading 5 picks for him and needing to resign him, he’s basically got the front office by the balls and they are jumping through hoops to try to accommodate his wishes. If you think it’s bad now, wait until we negotiate his next deal.

The Mikal trade was bad but we didn’t know how bad at the time.

Yikes!

I think Mikal should be traded to add more depth but why is he being singled out when all reports indicate multiple Knicks threw Tom to the Wolves? Deuce literally let off the first shot after we lost, in public at that.

I feel like people are just making up their own narratives.

"Dolan fired Thibs unilaterally"

"Mikal has the front office by the balls and they fired Thibs because of him."

I've seen zero credible reporting that any of this is true.

Mikal has been complaining all year. Nobody cares what Deuce has to say he has no power. The guy you traded 5 picks for and absolutely must resign to not embarrass yourself further has more influence in your decisions. Again, nobody cares what Deuce has to say but they are listening to the whining by Mikal. If he’s not happy then you have to trade him but you aren’t getting anything close to the package you gave up to get him so the last thing you want is for him to not only want out but dictate where he wants to go. He has leverage

I see where you are coming from, and again, i would trade him outta here to add more depth but multiple players were involved here, it's not just Mikal.

[spree8]

Caller on KFTV made a good point about Johnnie Bryant… Thibs n Atkinson both won COTY with him there…

[Capn'O]

Shams is the best at breaking news but I don't think he has any connections to the Knicks (woj did).

Shams keeps saying the Knicks made a trade offer for Durant and they are interested but Begley and Popper on the knicks beat who are respected keep saying that there really isn't much at all interest in Durant and its unlikely anything happens.

Shams is now part of ESPN...he is paid for Knicks for clicks with the rumor mill stuff.

Woj also used to punish the Knicks with hit pieces before he had connections to the front office. Shams is doing the same.