Sun. Nov. 7th, 12:00 P.M.: 76ers (1-5) @ Knicks (3-2)

equestion · Post #1181 » by **equestion** » Sun Nov 7, 2010 7:39 pm

Inability to knock down 3's only came into play when we got ourselves in that 4th quarter hole. What put us in the hole in the first place was a lack of discipline on defense, leading to cheap free throws (case in point, Fields' biting on Lou Williams pump fake 3 on consecutive possessions, AR not getting back off the Chandler layup, etc etc), coupled with the inability to make better than 1/2 on our FT's every time down. These are the rookie/young player mistakes the team is going to have to live with this season. They're aggressive, but still don't know how to stay disciplined for 4 quarters.

blueNorange · Post #1182 » by **blueNorange** » Sun Nov 7, 2010 7:40 pm

TheBluest wrote:
blueNorange wrote:chandler took 5 three pointers

why??

Not a good game from Chandler. He had his chances he didn't convert. It would have been nice if he could have got the whistle on a couple plays but gotta call it like it is. Easily his worst game of the season.

no, no ... he takes 4.8 three pointers on the year and hits them 29% of the time

why is a bad 3pt shooter, shooting so many threes??

makeitstop · Post #1183 » by **makeitstop** » Sun Nov 7, 2010 7:40 pm

No.Bull.Son wrote:I'm gonna continue to support the boys. They just have to learn to win these types of games.

We have no alternatives when the Jumpers aren't falling, and I think MD can do more in that area. If HIS system isn't working we have no alternatives or at least it appears that way.

+1.

Season's still early. They'll figure it out.

GnarlesOakley · Post #1184 » by **GnarlesOakley** » Sun Nov 7, 2010 7:40 pm

equestion wrote:Inability to knock down 3's only came into play when we got ourselves in that 4th quarter hole. What put us in the hole in the first place was a lack of discipline on defense, leading to cheap free throws (case in point, Fields' biting on Lou Williams pump fake 3 on consecutive possessions, AR not getting back off the Chandler layup, etc etc), coupled with the inability to make better than 1/2 on our FT's every time down. These are the rookie/young player mistakes the team is going to have to live with this season. They're aggressive, but still don't know how to stay disciplined for 4 quarters.

You are my new favourite ballboy.

Pedro Pistolas · Post #1185 » by **Pedro Pistolas** » Sun Nov 7, 2010 7:40 pm

dancing dervish wrote:We saw a game that is lost by Mike D'Antoni defense. Philly shoots 47% and 39% from 3. 95% of the shots WIDE OPEN jumpshots. It's almost laughable. Mark my words---this team has no defensive system and it certainly does not practice defense at all. One block and the opponent has a wide open jumper. If it wasn't for Donnie#s acquisitions (Turiaf/Mozgov etc.) we'd be the same **** team as always.

D'Antoni has absolutely no defensive clue.

What the **** are you talking about

JohnStarksTheDunk · Post #1186 » by **JohnStarksTheDunk** » Sun Nov 7, 2010 7:40 pm

dancing dervish wrote:We saw a game that is lost by Mike D'Antoni defense. Philly shoots 47% and 39% from 3. 95% of the shots WIDE OPEN jumpshots. It's almost laughable. Mark my words---this team has no defensive system and it certainly does not practice defense at all. One block and the opponent has a wide open jumper. If it wasn't for Donnie#s acquisitions (Turiaf/Mozgov etc.) we'd be the same **** team as always.

D'Antoni has absolutely no defensive clue.

The biggest flaw in our defense today was bailing them out with silly fouls. That is not on the coach.

Jay10 · Post #1187 » by **Jay10** » Sun Nov 7, 2010 7:41 pm

fields has to be feeling like sh*t for giving away 6 easy pts

dancing dervish · Post #1188 » by **dancing dervish** » Sun Nov 7, 2010 7:41 pm

Pedro Pistolas wrote:
dancing dervish wrote:We saw a game that is lost by Mike D'Antoni defense. Philly shoots 47% and 39% from 3. 95% of the shots WIDE OPEN jumpshots. It's almost laughable. Mark my words---this team has no defensive system and it certainly does not practice defense at all. One block and the opponent has a wide open jumper. If it wasn't for Donnie#s acquisitions (Turiaf/Mozgov etc.) we'd be the same **** team as always.

D'Antoni has absolutely no defensive clue.

What the **** are you talking about

watch the game kid.

Pedro Pistolas · Post #1189 » by **Pedro Pistolas** » Sun Nov 7, 2010 7:42 pm

They need to fix that damn pump fake rule....lou williams dived into our defenders each time...wtf

Jmonty580 · Post #1190 » by **Jmonty580** » Sun Nov 7, 2010 7:42 pm

GnarlesOakley wrote:There was a lot of things wrong with the Knicks but we lost because of stupid fouls. Our poor shooting wouldn't have hurt as much if we didn't let them take control of the game with all those dumb reaches. We can't be falling for the pump fake like that.

Terrible loss but it's not the end of the world. We didn't lose just because we weren't hitting 3's, we lost more because too many players were trying to overdo it.

That does seem to be Williams signature move though, and he uses it well. IF anything maybe we learn from this, AND maybe our guys can start using that pump fake. Someone mentioned it here, but if Chandler started using that more he would be at the line all the time. Gallo too, pump, get the guy in the air and jump into him while trying to shoot. 9 times out of 10 you'll get to the line, just ask Allan Houston.

fullermd · Post #1191 » by **fullermd** » Sun Nov 7, 2010 7:42 pm

The Knicks were outscored 15-4 down the stretch. No excuse. Horrible loss. Came out flat, finished flat. But the bottom line is that we played crappy D-fense at critical points in the game. Mental mistakes, jumping in on pump fakes and giving 3 free-throws on a couple of occasions. And, shooting too many low-precentage shots/jumpers. Need a post player. Amare is not a post player, he is good in transition, but his game with back-to-the basket, is not solid at all.

Bigmo5246 · Post #1192 » by **Bigmo5246** » Sun Nov 7, 2010 7:42 pm

jstarks10 wrote:
adjacent2bench wrote:I think Amare has to assert himself more on offense.

i think amare has to shoot better from the field
i think amare has to make both of his free throw...just 1 is not gonna cut it.
i think amare needs to stop it with the turn overs
i think amare shouldn't have been paid 100 mil
i think amare was overrated by us knick fans

I think you need to stop b****ing. It's one game. Relax

Futureisnow · Post #1193 » by **Futureisnow** » Sun Nov 7, 2010 7:42 pm

Pedro Pistolas wrote:They need to fix that damn pump fake rule....lou williams dived into our defenders each time...wtf

Or maybe our guys should've stopped committing the same dumb mistake every time.

Post #1194 » by **nyknicks2k2** » Sun Nov 7, 2010 7:43 pm

Jmonty580 wrote:
blueNorange wrote:chandler took 5 three pointers

why??

Because our offense is designed for threes. If he is open they want himt to take it. I dont agree with it but that seems to be the way we are doing it.

I can't blame the system nor the coach. It falls on Chandler. He got it last year. He took the ball to the basket and stopped jacking up 3's. It worked. He's falling in love with the 3 again.

In Jan last yr, he attempted 21. Feb, 24. Half of March, 12. Through 6 games thus far, 29.

No Chandler. No. Stop it.

dancing dervish · Post #1195 » by **dancing dervish** » Sun Nov 7, 2010 7:43 pm

Those bad foul calls (I thought the referees were terrible just like against Washington) aside we gave up open shot after open shot period. If you want to get an open shot against the Knicks all you need is a block.

HighRyzer83 · Post #1196 » by **HighRyzer83** » Sun Nov 7, 2010 7:43 pm

blueNorange wrote:where's fields and mozgov??

They were the few along with Amare that actually had a good game. Mozgov was +8 and Fields +15, the only two with a positive contribution. Whats the point in starting them if they are only play bench scrub minutes. Chandler and Douglas had awful games yet both played considerably more minutes. I think Dantoni is starting the rookies to hide the fact that he doesnt like to play them.

Post #1197 » by **K_ick_God** » Sun Nov 7, 2010 7:43 pm

Glass is half full:

- Early game and our shooting was just off. Felton played badly.

- This cancels out the Bulls win. So we're. 500 and start over now.

- Gallo was pretty good, Douglas was hot until he got foul problems and came back cold.

- Bad reffing. Really bad reffing. See Douglas.

- Mozgov was good (should have played more).

- Sixers were desperate and shot really well.

knicks210 · Post #1198 » by **knicks210** » Sun Nov 7, 2010 7:43 pm

The problem with this knicks board is that you get too high when they are doing good, and get too low when they have a bad performance. Its unreal how people change their outlook over one game, wether good or bad.

JohnStarksTheDunk · Post #1199 » by **JohnStarksTheDunk** » Sun Nov 7, 2010 7:44 pm

Jay10 wrote:fields has to be feeling like sh*t for giving away 6 easy pts

Yup, that was the turning point of the game, IMO. In general, our young guys made some dumb mistakes that killed our momentum at key points when we had the lead:

1. Fields sending Williams to the line TWICE on three point shots because of a head fake.
2. Randolph jacking up a bad jumpshot and then not getting back on defense a couple of plays later.
3. After sitting for a while, Douglas coming back into the game and forcing up two bad shots, and then letting up that three by not fighting through the screen.

Pedro Pistolas · Post #1200 » by **Pedro Pistolas** » Sun Nov 7, 2010 7:45 pm

Futureisnow wrote:
Pedro Pistolas wrote:They need to fix that damn pump fake rule....lou williams dived into our defenders each time...wtf

Or maybe our guys should've stopped committing the same dumb mistake every time.

Or how about call it across the board...I remember Fields doing that pump fake to Pierce and no foul was called.... it was so blatant...