Around the NBA part 4

[GONYK]

Yeah but your argument was that almost anyone with very little talent can thrive in today’s NBA due to the watered down level of talent, the number of rules that were added and the special treatment that certain players receive. According to your argument Michael Jordan should have dominated the NBA even at 40 simply because his talent was so much superior to the talent of the younger elite players that played against him and simply because the rules would have made it easier for him to dominate.

He did

Go tell me how many 23/6/5 players with a PER of 20.7 there are in the NBA right now.

That's what 39 yr old Michael Jordan averaged while adding 18 games to the Wizard's win column

[knicks94]

Yeah but your argument was that almost anyone with very little talent can thrive in today’s NBA due to the watered down level of talent, the number of rules that were added and the special treatment that certain players receive. According to your argument Michael Jordan should have dominated the NBA even at 40 simply because his talent was so much superior to the talent of the younger elite players that played against him and simply because the rules would have made it easier for him to dominate.

He did

Go tell me how many 23/6/5 players there are in the NBA right now.

That's what 39 yr old Michael Jordan averaged while adding 18 games to the Wizard's win column

Ok, so are you saying that had the Lakers and Spurs replaced Kobe and Duncan with an aging Michael Jordan at the time they would have won a NBA championship?

[GONYK]

Yeah but your argument was that almost anyone with very little talent can thrive in today’s NBA due to the watered down level of talent, the number of rules that were added and the special treatment that certain players receive. According to your argument Michael Jordan should have dominated the NBA even at 40 simply because his talent was so much superior to the talent of the younger elite players that played against him and simply because the rules would have made it easier for him to dominate.

He did

Go tell me how many 23/6/5 players there are in the NBA right now.

That's what 39 yr old Michael Jordan averaged while adding 18 games to the Wizard's win column

Ok, so are you saying that had the Lakers and Spurs replaced Kobe and Duncan with an aging Michael Jordan at the time they would have won a NBA championship?

How in the hell did you get that from what I said?

Can't find many players who average 23/6/5 on 20.7 per, huh?

[knicks94]

How in the hell did you get that from what I said?

You said that very few players today are able to do what Jordan did at age 40, I interpreted your statement as you implying that Michael Jordan was still an elite superstar at 40 according to today's NBA rules and level of talent.So I wanted to confirm that my interpretation of what you said was correct by asking you if you think that a 40 year old Jordan would have been able to win an NBA championship had he been in the same position to win a championship that the elite players of the past 10 years were in.

[GONYK]

How in the hell did you get that from what I said?

You said that very few players today are able to do what Jordan did at age 40, I interpreted your statement as you implying that Michael Jordan was still an elite superstar at 40 according to today's NBA's rules and level of talent.So I wanted to confirm that my interpretation of what you said was correct by asking you if you think that a 40 year old Jordan would have been able to win an NBA championship had he been in the same position to win a championship that the elite players of the past 10 years were in.

How many superstars can actually lead their team to a title these days?

Lebron. That's it.

If Jordan was the same age as the stars of today, he would probably win another 6 rings.

He certainly wouldn't have let his team lose 4 in a row like Durant did.

[knicks94]

How in the hell did you get that from what I said?

You said that very few players today are able to do what Jordan did at age 40, I interpreted your statement as you implying that Michael Jordan was still an elite superstar at 40 according to today's NBA's rules and level of talent.So I wanted to confirm that my interpretation of what you said was correct by asking you if you think that a 40 year old Jordan would have been able to win an NBA championship had he been in the same position to win a championship that the elite players of the past 10 years were in.

How many superstars can actually lead their team to a title these days?

Lebron. That's it.

If Jordan was the same age as the stars of today, he would probably win another 6 rings.

He certainly wouldn't have let his team lose 4 in a row like Durant did.

Kobe Bryant and Tim Duncan did a few times.Wade and Dirk did as well. Durant has only been in the NBA for 6 years and I am certain that he will win at least one before his career is over.

A young Michael Jordan wouldn't have helped the OKC Thunder do much better against the Miami Heat, especially without another top 10 player. Remember that before Pippen arrived to the Bulls they had difficulty getting out of the first round with Michael Jordan.

[DowNY]

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[fdr2012]

Kobe Bryant and Tim Duncan did a few times.Wade and Dirk did as well. Durant has only been in the NBA for 6 years and I am certain that he will win at least one before his career is over.

A young Michael Jordan wouldn't have helped the OKC Thunder do much better against the Miami Heat, especially without another top 10 player. Remember that before Pippen arrived to the Bulls they had difficulty getting out of the first round with Michael Jordan.

This debate is laughable. You clearly haven't seen Michael Jordan play. I REMEMBER that Celtics game where he single handidly almost beat the prime Celtics team with Bird, Mchale and co. and dropped 63 on them.

I'm sorry, but Durant doesn't come close to that. If Jordan played with today's ticky-tack foul rules, he average 20 fts per game.

I'm going to puke now. Please stop this "how go was Jordan" debate on the Knicks board. Its embarrassing to all of us who had to live through the 90s.

[Thugger HBC]

I'm glad I missed this discussion.

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[knicks94]

Kobe Bryant and Tim Duncan did a few times.Wade and Dirk did as well. Durant has only been in the NBA for 6 years and I am certain that he will win at least one before his career is over.

A young Michael Jordan wouldn't have helped the OKC Thunder do much better against the Miami Heat, especially without another top 10 player. Remember that before Pippen arrived to the Bulls they had difficulty getting out of the first round with Michael Jordan.

This debate is laughable. You clearly haven't seen Michael Jordan play. I REMEMBER that Celtics game where he single handidly almost beat the prime Celtics team with Bird, Mchale and co. and dropped 63 on them.

I'm sorry, but Durant doesn't come close to that. If Jordan played with today's ticky-tack foul rules, he average 20 fts per game.

I'm going to puke now. Please stop this "how go was Jordan" debate on the Knicks board. Its embarrassing to all of us who had to live through the 90s.

Am not surprised to see all of the love that Michael Jordan receives on this board. I know many Knicks fans who used to be closet Bulls fans in the 90's. Wouldn't shock me to find out that some of the people that defend him so much started liking the Knicks after Jordan's second retirement.

What makes me puke is how for years Patrick Ewing got disrespected by people who claim to be Knicks fans and till this day still doesn't get the appreciation he deserves yet they're Knicks fans who cheer for Michael Jordan whenever he visits Madison Square Garden and defend him like if he pays their car insurance.

I've probably watched Michael Jordan play a lot more than the casual Bulls fan who only watched basketball in the years that he was winning championships. Is it a taboo to say that I am not sold that this guy was the best player to ever put on an NBA uniform? Or that I think that there are players in the NBA today that are just as talented as he was?

Am not disputing that he was one of the best to ever play the game. He was the best player in the 90's but I believe that had their been more players at the shooting guard and small forward position who were at his level talent wise he would not have won those 6 championships.

Older fans who've watched more than one generation of basketball seem to undermine the current generation in favor of the previous one. Today's NBA might have different rules and as a result is less physical than the NBA of the 90's but to say that a guy like Kobe Bryant or Lebron James in their prime would have not won championships in the 90's is just absurd.

[K_ick_God]

Lin's creativity and passing were great tonight.

10 assists, 0 turnovers. Making a conscious effort to cut down on turnovers and doing it, no problem.

[K_ick_God]

In February so far, Lin has 40 assists, 11 turnovers.

[kakaman]

Harden out tonight vs. Clips. We will see the Linsanity version of Jeremy tonight. Where do you guys see him ending up with?

[knicks94]

Harden out tonight vs. Clips. We will see the Linsanity version of Jeremy tonight. Where do you guys see him ending up with?

Jeremy Lin will have at least 30 pts and 13 assists.

[K_ick_God]

Harden out tonight vs. Clips. We will see the Linsanity version of Jeremy tonight. Where do you guys see him ending up with?

I'll go with 22, 9, 6 and 2 steals.

[SonOfMars]

I say 16 & 6

[Lord Commander]

I say he gets lit up like a cuban by CP3. 8pts/6 assts...

[Thugger HBC]

I say he gets lit up like a cuban by CP3. 8pts/6 assts...

I dont see CP going all in on this one especially on the front end of a back to back, Bledsoe will be the one to watch for.

As far as Lin goes, I think he'll be trying to do too much and really not have a good game in the process.

Clippers are very solid at home.

[K_ick_God]

I say he gets lit up like a cuban by CP3. 8pts/6 assts...

I dont see CP going all in on this one especially on the front end of a back to back, Bledsoe will be the one to watch for.

As far as Lin goes, I think he'll be trying to do too much and really not have a good game in the process.

Clippers are very solid at home.

It'll be fun to see.

Look, whether we see the effect tonight (one game) or not, I watched closely last night and Harden takes Jeremy out of doing most of the things he does well ... yet Lin still put up 14 and 10 ... a very Rondo-like game if I might say so.

I’m pretty confident that if he was still a Knick, Lin would be having many 18 and 8 kind of nights and a few 25-point games. The games where he was quiet, he wouldn’t shoot them out of it –- he’d do a few things to help the team despite having an off night of, say, 6 and 4.

But anyway, I made my case yesterday. I don't need to make it again today, you'll be happy to hear.

[Knicker23]

Question is, do you still think Brandon Jennings is great? He went what, 2-16 the other night? Awful. And that's not out of the ordinary for him of late. I used to think he was nice, not so much right now.