Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming?

[coopnyc74]

Damn even on this board I couldn't imagine 4 games would cause all this panic and all these wild scenarios.

[Rotten Apple]

You guys are all spelling it out. The Knicks have continuously done a poor job of building a team. The only year they got it right we won 54 games but we did a poor job retooling the next year. It wasn't really the trade it was everything after.

[Greenie]

It's funny that Denver is brought up again, but they're rebuilding AND have a better record than us. Plus they have so much young talent. Some might not pan out, but some others will.

Denver has been worse than us sense the trade. They better have a lot of young talent...they have been rebuilding for 6 damn years.

...and yet they don't have a single prospect on their roster with the potential of KP unless you are in love with Murry.


I sure wish I was Denver right now...NOT

It's about the same. Both made the playoffs 3 times. Both missed 3 times.

They have Jokic, Nuric, Midway, and Murray. KP doesn't really have much potential, since he is so soft. I mean he's on the verge of being benched, and can't demand the ball, nor impose his will on the game. He's a bust so far tbh.

Awwww

You mad I talked about KP the way you talk about Melo?

Oh Wells

[Jalen Bluntson]

Always comes back to that trade

Chandler would have to be renounced
Mozgov sucked then and sucks now, he was even getting minutes
Gallo-STAT are injury prone
Felton was fat the next year
Fields fell off a cliff when he changed his shooting form

The Knicks didn't have a plan period. We never do. Phil didn't even have a plan

when the trade happened gallinari and chandler were balling, mosgov was the answer at center, and amar'e wasn't dead.

melo fans love altering the universe to make him not the culprit in all of this madness.

And Melo haters want him to play here for free. Fuq that. You have to give to get. Performance wise we ein that damn trade. Melo has outperformed EVERY fuqer we traded for him. EVERY SINGLE ONE!


The Knicks are the ones that never went and got a PG. Not Melo.

The Knicks are the ones that gave STAT his contract. NOT MELO. HE WASN'T EVEN HERE!

The Knicks are the ones that amnestied Billups. Not Melo.

The Knicks took a first round pick abd traded for Andrea Barfyani. Not Melo.

The Knicks drafted Iman Shumpert. NOT MELO!

The Knicks are doing this. NOT MELO!


This team has been trash since before my momma was born. Stop blaming individual players for this 40+ year long fuq up by the Knicks. Melo wasn't even alive.

Exactly. The ineptitude of this FO after that trade wasted Melos prime. You forgot to add the revolving door roster and numerous HC/system changes. Also spending ourselves out of the CP3 race.

KP and not trading first round picks like candy are the biggest positives and really the only positives besides no Dolan influence, in DECADES around here. I do like a few of these young guys we have too. I would say we were doing well not capping out but, Noah, Lee(not so much $$$ but the length) and, Melo NTC annoy me.

[Sark]

Denver has been worse than us sense the trade. They better have a lot of young talent...they have been rebuilding for 6 damn years.

...and yet they don't have a single prospect on their roster with the potential of KP unless you are in love with Murry.


I sure wish I was Denver right now...NOT

It's about the same. Both made the playoffs 3 times. Both missed 3 times.

They have Jokic, Nuric, Midway, and Murray. KP doesn't really have much potential, since he is so soft. I mean he's on the verge of being benched, and can't demand the ball, nor impose his will on the game. He's a bust so far tbh.

Awwww

You mad I talked about KP the way you talk about Melo?

Oh Wells

Nope. Just stating that Denver and NY are about equal since the trade, except their 5 year outlook is much better than our's.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

No. The bullsh*t commenced when we lost Kidd and instead of signing a PG or trading for one (I begged for Livingston) we went and traded a 1st round pick to a division rival for the trash that is Barf. He was about to be waived and we said "hold up, take our pick"!

Yes, the Bargs trade was a terrible move that set us back even further than we were, but that 54-win team wasn't going anywhere anyway. We were too reliant on outside shooting, which wasn't sustainable, on Kidd, who wouldn't have been easily replaced, and on JR, who showed during those playoffs that you can't rely so heavily on him.

I do agree, however, that the 54-win season was the best team we ever put around Melo.

We could have tried. We threw the blueprint in the ocean and said fuq it!

If we all understand that a big pass first PG with a high IQ was the cog to make our offense go because players could just play and that Melo at PF caused so many issues for other teams why run in the opposite direction? Only the Knicks.

I agree here. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that Melo does best with a good point guard and game manager, but in 6+ seasons with Melo we've never made it a priority. And now we have a situation where he's stuck at SF and isn't a good fit there.

[Greenie]

when the trade happened gallinari and chandler were balling, mosgov was the answer at center, and amar'e wasn't dead.

melo fans love altering the universe to make him not the culprit in all of this madness.

And Melo haters want him to play here for free. Fuq that. You have to give to get. Performance wise we ein that damn trade. Melo has outperformed EVERY fuqer we traded for him. EVERY SINGLE ONE!


The Knicks are the ones that never went and got a PG. Not Melo.

The Knicks are the ones that gave STAT his contract. NOT MELO. HE WASN'T EVEN HERE!

The Knicks are the ones that amnestied Billups. Not Melo.

The Knicks took a first round pick abd traded for Andrea Barfyani. Not Melo.

The Knicks drafted Iman Shumpert. NOT MELO!

The Knicks are doing this. NOT MELO!


This team has been trash since before my momma was born. Stop blaming individual players for this 40+ year long fuq up by the Knicks. Melo wasn't even alive.

Exactly. The ineptitude of this FO after that trade wasted Melos prime. You forgot to add the revolving door roster and numerous HC/system changes. Also spending ourselves out of the CP3 race.

KP and not trading first round picks like candy are the biggest positives and really the only positives besides no Dolan influence, in DECADES around here. I do like a few of these young guys we have too. I would say we were doing well not capping out but, Noah, Lee(not so much $$$ but the length) and, Melo NTC annoy me.

That's fine. We don't have to like players. That's fine. Lets stop dumping all of the franchises lack of success on them though. It's old especially when no player in the NBA was alive the last time the Knicks were champs.

[Sark]

How many good pass first PGs have been on the market that we passed on?

Maybe the problem is always thinking you can fix your problems in free agency.

[Capn'O]

You guys are all spelling it out. The Knicks have continuously done a poor job of building a team. The only year they got it right we won 54 games but we did a poor job retooling the next year. It wasn't really the trade it was everything after.

The whole thing was poorly thought out and the Trade was a big part of it. Keep in mind, the coach at the time was Mike D'Antoni.

"Oh - you like point guards? How do forwards and centers suit ya, mfer???"

I mean, who could possibly have seen that storm coming?

[Capn'O]

Now fast forward, it's like you hire a general contractor (Hornacek), give him a loom and some pottery clay (players that don't fit his style of play), and ask him to build a **** bridge (triangle). Why?

[Greenie]

It's about the same. Both made the playoffs 3 times. Both missed 3 times.

They have Jokic, Nuric, Midway, and Murray. KP doesn't really have much potential, since he is so soft. I mean he's on the verge of being benched, and can't demand the ball, nor impose his will on the game. He's a bust so far tbh.

Awwww

You mad I talked about KP the way you talk about Melo?

Oh Wells

Nope. Just stating that Denver and NY are about equal since the trade, except their 5 year outlook is much better than our's.

It should be. They had picks. We kept trading ours.
We were supposed to be in a different lane but the Knicks don't know how to build around talent. Pray for KP. He's going to get the Melo special and be old as fuq(if he stays) once we get some potential next to him.

[Sark]

Awwww

You mad I talked about KP the way you talk about Melo?

Oh Wells

Nope. Just stating that Denver and NY are about equal since the trade, except their 5 year outlook is much better than our's.

It should be. They had picks. We kept trading ours.
We were supposed to be in a different lane but the Knicks don't know how to build around talent. Pray for KP. He's going to get the Melo special and be old as fuq(if he stays) once we get some potential next to him.

He'll tank command, and I'm fine with that. My expectation is to build an entire team, in which he is a piece, but not the only piece. We need lots of pieces like Minny has, or Philly has, or even Denver has.

[Greenie]

You guys are all spelling it out. The Knicks have continuously done a poor job of building a team. The only year they got it right we won 54 games but we did a poor job retooling the next year. It wasn't really the trade it was everything after.

The whole thing was poorly thought out and the Trade was a big part of it. Keep in mind, the coach at the time was Mike D'Antoni.

"Oh - you like point guards? How do forwards and centers suit ya, mfer???"

I mean, who could possibly have seen that storm coming?

I can be fair and agree on that

[Jalen Bluntson]

How many good pass first PGs have been on the market that we passed on?

Maybe the problem is always thinking you can fix your problems in free agency.

We could have had CP3...we amnesty Billups and sign Chandler.
Rubio was on the market.
Melo wanted Rondo...we trade for Rose.

I am sure we have passed on more.

[Sark]

How many good pass first PGs have been on the market that we passed on?

Maybe the problem is always thinking you can fix your problems in free agency.

We could have had CP3...we amnesty Billups and sign Chandler.
Rubio was on the market.
Melo wanted Rondo...we trade for Rose.

I am sure we have passed on more.

CP3 was never on the market. Neither was Rubio.

[Capn'O]

You guys are all spelling it out. The Knicks have continuously done a poor job of building a team. The only year they got it right we won 54 games but we did a poor job retooling the next year. It wasn't really the trade it was everything after.

The whole thing was poorly thought out and the Trade was a big part of it. Keep in mind, the coach at the time was Mike D'Antoni.

"Oh - you like point guards? How do forwards and centers suit ya, mfer???"

I mean, who could possibly have seen that storm coming?

I can be fair and agree on that

And I'll be real here - let's say that the Knicks acquired Melo in FA in 2010 and then went and traded all their **** for Amar'e in 2011... I'd have been flipping over that trade too. Even harder in that case because Amar'e's flaws were much deeper. It just didn't make sense with duplicity of skills/flaws and the coach in place.

[Greenie]

Nope. Just stating that Denver and NY are about equal since the trade, except their 5 year outlook is much better than our's.

It should be. They had picks. We kept trading ours.
We were supposed to be in a different lane but the Knicks don't know how to build around talent. Pray for KP. He's going to get the Melo special and be old as fuq(if he stays) once we get some potential next to him.

He'll tank command, and I'm fine with that. My expectation is to build an entire team, in which he is a piece, but not the only piece. We need lots of pieces like Minny has, or Philly has, or even Denver has.

I'm sorry Sark. Fuq potential to win I want to win. KP needs to win. Melo needs to win. I deserve it. You deserve it too. We were born Knick fans and it has sucked all my damn life. Fuq a bunch of youngsters if that's all we can say about them.

[Greenie]

The whole thing was poorly thought out and the Trade was a big part of it. Keep in mind, the coach at the time was Mike D'Antoni.

"Oh - you like point guards? How do forwards and centers suit ya, mfer???"

I mean, who could possibly have seen that storm coming?

I can be fair and agree on that

And I'll be real here - let's say that the Knicks acquired Melo in FA in 2010 and then went and traded all their **** for Amar'e in 2011... I'd have been flipping over that trade too. Even harder in that case because Amar'e's flaws were much deeper. It just didn't make sense with duplicity of skills/flaws and the coach in place.

D'Antoni needed CP3

[Capn'O]

D'Antoni needed CP3

My god, he did. Imagine...

I mean, he had Felton, Lin, and freaking Duhon going ham.

[Rasho Brezec]

This is a good writeup.

http://www.givemesport.com/908322-exploring-why-the-new-york-knicks-have-failed-to-click-in-the-early-season

The Triangle Offense is here to stay for as long as Phil Jackson is, and Jeff Hornacek has been brought in to facilitate it, just as was Derek Fisher was before him. But to do so, Hornacek will have to fit square pegs into round holes.

Same old ****. Forcing something that isn't there because someone needs to have their ego stroked. Isiah did it and failed. D'Antoni did it and failed. Phil is doing it and is failing.