RHODEY wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:RHODEY wrote:
True...but I could argue that if we Make playoffs, we are more attractive. FA talent is low true, but even still we become way more attractive to a disgruntled star who wants out of their current situation. There is no "right" answer but I like the idea of :
A) Being a playoff team after xx many years.
B) Becoming a viable trade destination after xx years
C) Still having 4 draft picks in the deepest draft since whenever.
Missing the playoffs and having and extra shot at lottery talent doesn't not outweigh the scenario above for me.
I want those 2 lottery picks, us making the playoffs with this roster really does nothing for our long term potential. The Magic have made the playoffs the last two years and they're a dead end team despite being young outside of Vucevic. If we were making the playoffs with 4 of our young players starting it would be one thing, but that lineup is basically just RJ & Mitch as the only people who have long term potential with this team.
We need another offensive talent to pair with RJ who can either supplant him and become our number 1, while RJ takes on the number 2 role, or can be his number 2 while we wait for a FA. Either way, we still don't have enough talent, nobody is signing here to play with Rivers, Burks and Randle.
Not sure if I'd cal Orlando a dead end team. Fultz was coming on they are missing Jonathan Isaac (maybe their best young player) for long stretches. As far as young talent with potential you left out Quickley and OBI. Quick has already showed strong signs OBI is still raw but you cant rule those guys out.
I don't disagree that we need talent , surely we do , but Im not committed to going all in on 2 potential lottery picks at the cost of the playoffs and the benefits of being a wining squad. I believe making the playoff opens us up to other venues for acquiring talent besides just the draft.
I prefer the idea of casting a wider more diversified net for the acquisition of additional talent. So basically, free agency ,trades AND the draft are preferable to having to go all in on the draft. Especially when you consider that we got Dallas picks and those 2 2nd rounder either way.
If we win players will want to come here and be part of the winning culture so I disagree with you on that.
I agree the Knicks need to build the team to attract players.
As usual, Knick fans might be disagreeing on timing.
Not a pro tank argument, because it's not the only way to build a team up; in fact, most teams do NOT tank or tank over a period of time. I would say teams used to know when to strategically "not be that good" and "play a lot of youth" to ensure a poor record when a good draft was cocming up.
A lot of this has changed with the lotto being changed, odds wise, to discourage tanking and facilitate movement up and down in the draft order.
Per the Magic, not getting into the debate if they are a playoff treadmill team or not, but I'd say they are a team a year ahead of the Knicks in the rebuild, talent acquisition wise, if only because of better drafting or development.
Since the Knicks really didn't hit, at all, on 3 top 10 picks within 4 years, they need to be in the lottery again. Hopefully top 5, but that'll come down to luck. Would be great if one pick is top 5 and then the Mavs picks falls in the lotto, even if it's 15.
Knicks need a LOT more talent. They NEED to actually hit on a high draft pick, for once. Hopefully their cap space will help, either in FA or a trade, next year. Because the Knicks are about 5 players away, at least, from being a good team. And no, I'm not bashing the starters meaning they all need to be replaced, just the Knicks need a talent upgrade at about 5 roster spots, somehow.
I can't be wrong, in general. This isn't a team that's winning 50+ games every year.
