Donovan Mitchell Thread #6 - Something might actually happen in this one!!!!!!

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[aggo]

This makes a lot of sense!

We can't give up all our picks AND players. That would be insanity. I'd rather give 5-6 picks in order to keep a talented bench intact.

thats good

Grimes + 4 picks + 1 swap

[thebuzzardman]

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Emily Austin folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Emily Austin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is this one of GreenArrow's ladyboys?

[El Poochio]

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Emily Austin folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Emily Austin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spoiler:

Emily Austin

Name rings a bell

[thebuzzardman]

Spoiler:

Emily Austin

Name rings a bell

From GreenArrow's basement?

[El Poochio]

Spoiler:

no really though... who is she?

Apparently she was a sideline reporter for the Celtics and then Fox Sports and now does reporting for a random college…Liberty University. She has 10k followers on Twitter and Jake Fischer and Mitch Rob follow her.

Mitch Rob lol

[El Poochio]

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Emily Austin folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Emily Austin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spoiler:

Pillow talk

Heard it from the horse's mouth

[thebuzzardman]

For the Obi optimists:

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[Clyde_Style]

Emily Austin

Name rings a bell

From GreenArrow's basement?

Ask Sham if she was a fellow captive

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Emily Austin folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Emily Austin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

An Emily Austin bomb.

[thebuzzardman]

Name rings a bell

From GreenArrow's basement?

Ask Sham if she was a fellow captive

(S)he has the perfect, tall, venal blonde look that a school like Liberty University would prefer.

"Can you get us a sideline reporter that looks like Ann Coulter only mildly attractive?"

[thebuzzardman]

Plot twist:

GreenArrow's ladyboy Emily Austin leverages appearance to become sideline reporter to unaware Utah Jazz organization.
After too many drinks and flirting on evening, it's Danny Ainge that gets anally raped for once.

[Clyde_Style]

Plot twist:

GreenArrow's ladyboy Emily Austin leverages appearance to become sideline reporter to unaware Utah Jazz organization.
After too many drinks and flirting on evening, it's Danny Ainge that gets anally raped for once.

A graphic that keeps on giving

[Chanel Bomber]

Damn good point, also post all-star break Obi averaged 14ppg on 39 touches per game.




Obi is a finisher, you set him up, he finishes the plays. What is more likely to mesh with two ball dominant PnR creators, the finisher, or the ball dominant PF.

It doesn't really matter if neither player can stretch the floor though.

Obi is a more efficient finisher when he does get the ball.

Randle is a much better playmaker.

Both were bad on defense. Randle even worse than Obi. But Randle was legitimately good the year before. I don't really know what to make of that.

But what I do believe is that the archetype of both players is outdated at the 4 spot, and neither seems to have the defensive awareness to play the 5 outside of very specific match-ups, even though (as you know) I wish Thibs did play either one of them at the 5 more often against those match-ups. They're both stuck in positional no man's land.

Obi has a higher upside because of his athleticism and touch around the rim. Randle has a track record of one year but a track record nonetheless of being a plus starter. Yay.

Realistically I don't know that either player is really fit to be a starting 4 in today's NBA.

You don't need your PF to be a sniper from three, he only needs to be respectable, and Obi was respectable over a 45 game stretch. If Obi is making the three at league average rate he's a better player than Randle, especially for a team that wants to have two guards, it's really that simple to me.

Too many cooks in a kitchen is a real thing, the Celtics at one point had Kyrie, Hayward, Brown and Tatum, all those playmakers can step on each others toes. Eventually you need a guy who is just fine standing in the corner, do you think Randle is going to do that? You don't need your PF to be a playmaker, Randle handles the ball more than Giannis to generate these stats, simply getting out of the way would be a huge plus from the 4 spot.

A low usage PF that hustles is not in positional no man's land, that's basically what Siakam was for the Raptors when they won, an opportunistic scorer that just plays hard, Pascal shot 28% from three in the playoffs.

Pascal was a plus defender though, which Obi has yet to prove he can be. It makes a world of difference. I also think Siakam had a better handle than Obi, which gave Toronto some extra flexibility.

I'm not making the case for Randle. I'm saying that Obi doesn't yet project as a starting 4 either, and his current archetype is not ideal for that role, and probably outdated. I view him more as a 5 who can't protect the rim, in fact.

Of course, he can improve and become a more reliable shooter, especially in C&S. His form does concern me though. But I don't feel that strongly about him either way. No outcome would surprise me.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Shump
Rautins
Fields
Jordan Hill
Mitch

i don't think you need to make a tank team in this game

[bearadonisdna]

It doesn't really matter if neither player can stretch the floor though.

Obi is a more efficient finisher when he does get the ball.

Randle is a much better playmaker.

Both were bad on defense. Randle even worse than Obi. But Randle was legitimately good the year before. I don't really know what to make of that.

But what I do believe is that the archetype of both players is outdated at the 4 spot, and neither seems to have the defensive awareness to play the 5 outside of very specific match-ups, even though (as you know) I wish Thibs did play either one of them at the 5 more often against those match-ups. They're both stuck in positional no man's land.

Obi has a higher upside because of his athleticism and touch around the rim. Randle has a track record of one year but a track record nonetheless of being a plus starter. Yay.

Realistically I don't know that either player is really fit to be a starting 4 in today's NBA.

You don't need your PF to be a sniper from three, he only needs to be respectable, and Obi was respectable over a 45 game stretch. If Obi is making the three at league average rate he's a better player than Randle, especially for a team that wants to have two guards, it's really that simple to me.

Too many cooks in a kitchen is a real thing, the Celtics at one point had Kyrie, Hayward, Brown and Tatum, all those playmakers can step on each others toes. Eventually you need a guy who is just fine standing in the corner, do you think Randle is going to do that? You don't need your PF to be a playmaker, Randle handles the ball more than Giannis to generate these stats, simply getting out of the way would be a huge plus from the 4 spot.

A low usage PF that hustles is not in positional no man's land, that's basically what Siakam was for the Raptors when they won, an opportunistic scorer that just plays hard, Pascal shot 28% from three in the playoffs.

Pascal was a plus defender though, which Obi has yet to prove he can be. It makes a world of difference. I also think Siakam had a better handle than Obi, which gave Toronto some extra flexibility.

I'm not making the case for Randle. I'm saying that Obi doesn't yet project as a starting 4 either, and his current archetype is not ideal for that role, and probably outdated. I view him more as a 5 who can't protect the rim, in fact.

Of course, he can improve and become a more reliable shooter, especially in C&S. His form does concern me though. But I don't feel that strongly about him either way.

Oh I know you feel strongly . Haliburton strongly.

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It doesn't really matter if neither player can stretch the floor though.

Obi is a more efficient finisher when he does get the ball.

Randle is a much better playmaker.

Both were bad on defense. Randle even worse than Obi. But Randle was legitimately good the year before. I don't really know what to make of that.

But what I do believe is that the archetype of both players is outdated at the 4 spot, and neither seems to have the defensive awareness to play the 5 outside of very specific match-ups, even though (as you know) I wish Thibs did play either one of them at the 5 more often against those match-ups. They're both stuck in positional no man's land.

Obi has a higher upside because of his athleticism and touch around the rim. Randle has a track record of one year but a track record nonetheless of being a plus starter. Yay.

Realistically I don't know that either player is really fit to be a starting 4 in today's NBA.

You don't need your PF to be a sniper from three, he only needs to be respectable, and Obi was respectable over a 45 game stretch. If Obi is making the three at league average rate he's a better player than Randle, especially for a team that wants to have two guards, it's really that simple to me.

Too many cooks in a kitchen is a real thing, the Celtics at one point had Kyrie, Hayward, Brown and Tatum, all those playmakers can step on each others toes. Eventually you need a guy who is just fine standing in the corner, do you think Randle is going to do that? You don't need your PF to be a playmaker, Randle handles the ball more than Giannis to generate these stats, simply getting out of the way would be a huge plus from the 4 spot.

A low usage PF that hustles is not in positional no man's land, that's basically what Siakam was for the Raptors when they won, an opportunistic scorer that just plays hard, Pascal shot 28% from three in the playoffs.

Pascal was a plus defender though, which Obi has yet to prove he can be. It makes a world of difference. I also think Siakam had a better handle than Obi, which gave Toronto some extra flexibility.

I'm not making the case for Randle. I'm saying that Obi doesn't yet project as a starting 4 either, and his current archetype is not ideal for that role, and probably outdated. I view him more as a 5 who can't protect the rim, in fact.

Of course, he can improve and become a more reliable shooter, especially in C&S. His form does concern me though. But I don't feel that strongly about him either way.

Siakam didn't have a good handle, what he had going for him was that he was constantly putting pressure on teams to get back on defense, he scored 6ppg in transition out of his 16.9ppg, hustling is the key thing you're missing here. We just saw Brandon Clarke make an impact in the playoffs and he doesn't shoot the three at all, point is you're putting entirely too big an emphasis on shooting from the 4 spot, it's a luxury not a requirement.

Here's the thing, if we trade for Mitchell we're going to have limited ways to improve the 4 spot, so the most logical thing to do is take the guy on a lower salary that doesn't need the ball and find out what he can do. You're talking about Randle & Obi as though we're going to be able to find a better replacement while being capped out & with less draft capital. Also, the other day didn't you just say you think Obi can be a productive starter

[thebuzzardman]

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Rautins
Fields
Jordan Hill
Mitch

i don't think you need to make a tank team in this game

[El Poochio]

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Shump
Rautins
Fields
Jordan Hill
Mitch

i don't think you need to make a tank team in this game

Tank for Channing Frye

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KP
Timmy
Frank
Any two others for 15c apart from Kevinho