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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond 

Post#1181 » by JayTWill » Thu Nov 21, 2024 4:21 pm

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moocow007 wrote:The problem with trades is salary and aprons.
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the two guys that pop to mind are Trey Murphy and Kyle Kuzma.
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Contracts would be a potential issue was both Kuzma and Murphy make noticeably more than Mitch but that probably won't be too much of a problem for Brock Aller to figure out. What other assets would have to be included?

Are you talking about this season? For Kuz the apron-salary hit is about 12m. Kuz's hit is close to 27m, Mitch 's somwhere in the 14ms. That's only possible if you throw in Hart as well. :lol:

Are you talking about next off season? How are you going to reach Kuz's salary with 12m of Mitch?

For Murphy .. ok so maybe you somehow engineer a deal for this season. But then you've added another 13m of apron-hit when the Knicks were already only 11.5m below the 2nd apron with only 10 players on the roster.


I'm thinking Mitch + rights to Rokas for Herb Jones could have some legs given both Mitch and Jones are out with injuries currently and salaries are close... as well as the whole filling a need thing for both teams. Tre Murphy would require us to send Precious, Dadiet, WAS 1st and maybe more... plus the 2nd year cap spike. I really like Murphy though. Kuzma is a no go... dude has lost his way.


I'm not sure if the Pelicans would do either one of those deals but I don't think Murphy can be traded this year since he signed his extension so late in the year. He can't be traded until 6 months after his extension which I believe he signed in October which would be well beyond the trade deadline.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond 

Post#1182 » by sol537 » Thu Nov 21, 2024 4:43 pm

Let's see how this roster looks with Deuce, Precious, Mitch thrown into the mix. Then we can see if we need to shore anything else up. Leon may put a finishing touch type trade (see OG, Hart trades) at the deadline or maybe we just stand pat...
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond 

Post#1183 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Thu Nov 21, 2024 8:43 pm

sol537 wrote:Let's see how this roster looks with Deuce, Precious, Mitch thrown into the mix. Then we can see if we need to shore anything else up. Leon may put a finishing touch type trade (see OG, Hart trades) at the deadline or maybe we just stand pat...

I'm very much of this view. I don't see there's an easily available upgrade on Mitch ((ok, I confess, I'm a Mitch fan) and I think the yogurkat gives room for belief that Mitch and KAT can be a useful force.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond 

Post#1184 » by sol537 » Fri Nov 22, 2024 4:27 pm

B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
sol537 wrote:Let's see how this roster looks with Deuce, Precious, Mitch thrown into the mix. Then we can see if we need to shore anything else up. Leon may put a finishing touch type trade (see OG, Hart trades) at the deadline or maybe we just stand pat...

I'm very much of this view. I don't see there's an easily available upgrade on Mitch ((ok, I confess, I'm a Mitch fan) and I think the yogurkat gives room for belief that Mitch and KAT can be a useful force.


Agreed. Thankfully, we should have the luxury of seeing these guys together for a bit of time before the trade deadline. Leon and co. won't hesitate to upgrade at the TDL if they see a glaring need, however.

I think Mitch can certainly help against the likes of CLE, ORL, PHI and MIL should we have to face those teams and it is likely we will have to.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond 

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Post#1186 » by spree2kawhi » Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:07 am

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I mean, nobody in the world can say they’re against it …
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond 

Post#1187 » by The KnicksFix » Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:12 am

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I want that dood back man, pause. But we can’t trade for him until next offseason. Feel like, for some reason, he will come back home
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Post#1188 » by Jeffrey » Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:50 am

Any trade ideas using Precious contract to get 2 players back?
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Post#1189 » by RHODEY » Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:52 am

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I want that dood back man, pause. But we can’t trade for him until next offseason. Feel like, for some reason, he will come back home


No minutes for him. He cant start for us so....not likely.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond 

Post#1190 » by Spree2Houston » Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:17 am

Jarace Walker is the guy I want. But I don’t know what’s Indy’s plan for him. He’s stuck on their bench barring injuries
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Post#1191 » by SpreeNYK » Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:33 pm

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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond 

Post#1192 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sun Nov 24, 2024 3:58 am

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Make the Masterplan complete Leon! 8-)


Trade Mikal for him. :lol: 5 FRPs to keep Donte out of the Towns trade. :o
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Post#1193 » by WaltFrazier » Sun Nov 24, 2024 4:19 am

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Make the Masterplan complete Leon! 8-)

He'd come off the bench if he returned to the Knicks too. Unless traded for Bridges. How effective is he when not starting anyway?
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond 

Post#1194 » by The KnicksFix » Sun Nov 24, 2024 6:02 am

RHODEY wrote:
The KnicksFix wrote:
RHODEY wrote:


I want that dood back man, pause. But we can’t trade for him until next offseason. Feel like, for some reason, he will come back home


No minutes for him. He cant start for us so....not likely.


At this rate, get him back and start him
Put Mikal to the bench
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Post#1195 » by ctorres » Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:02 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
cgf wrote:If Utah will go for it and neither Dadiet nor Hukporti have forced themselves into the rotation by the deadline, who would do Dadiet + Sims + WSH FRP for Kessler?

Brunson - Bridges - Anunoby - Towns - Robinson
Payne - McBride - Hart - Achiuwa - Kessler
Kolek - Hukporti



We need another scoring bench guard or wing more than we need a center, it makes no sense to trade for Kessler if Robinson is still on the team, Kessler is a starting C.


Scoring bench guard -> Jordan Clarkson

The trade is going to be Miles McBride and Mitchell Robinson to the Utah Jazz for Walker Kessler and Jordan Clarkson

I'm calling it now
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond 

Post#1196 » by The KnicksFix » Sun Nov 24, 2024 12:17 pm

ctorres wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
cgf wrote:If Utah will go for it and neither Dadiet nor Hukporti have forced themselves into the rotation by the deadline, who would do Dadiet + Sims + WSH FRP for Kessler?

Brunson - Bridges - Anunoby - Towns - Robinson
Payne - McBride - Hart - Achiuwa - Kessler
Kolek - Hukporti



We need another scoring bench guard or wing more than we need a center, it makes no sense to trade for Kessler if Robinson is still on the team, Kessler is a starting C.


Scoring bench guard -> Jordan Clarkson

The trade is going to be Miles McBride and Mitchell Robinson to the Utah Jazz for Walker Kessler and Jordan Clarkson

I'm calling it now


I’d love to see it but why would they trade for Mitch Rob? They can get a lot of more picks for Kessler to another team, and clarkson is highly valued off the bench, they Kessler clarkson for Mitch deuce is a downgrade for them
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Post#1197 » by cgf » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:17 pm

ctorres wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
cgf wrote:If Utah will go for it and neither Dadiet nor Hukporti have forced themselves into the rotation by the deadline, who would do Dadiet + Sims + WSH FRP for Kessler?

Brunson - Bridges - Anunoby - Towns - Robinson
Payne - McBride - Hart - Achiuwa - Kessler
Kolek - Hukporti



We need another scoring bench guard or wing more than we need a center, it makes no sense to trade for Kessler if Robinson is still on the team, Kessler is a starting C.


Scoring bench guard -> Jordan Clarkson

The trade is going to be Miles McBride and Mitchell Robinson to the Utah Jazz for Walker Kessler and Jordan Clarkson

I'm calling it now


Deuce has more value to us than Utah, they already have 50 small guards they are trying to develop...and I just don't know if Thibs would play Clarkson or if he'd get Bogdanovic'd. Dadiet is our expendable piece that is probably going to be most interesting to them because they don't have any wing prospects with size like that.


And I'm still not sold we'd need another scorer off the bench if we solidified our center depth so we could start owning the offensive glass again. With Mitch / Kessler / Precious attacking the boards, Karl having a size advantage over every other 4 in the NBA, and Josh coming off the bench to outwork tired starters / bench bums, we could be a dominant offensive rebounding team again as well as having a ton of shooting around those more traditional bigs.

...Brunson, Bridges, Anunoby, Towns, Payne, & McBride all being very good shooters, Hart is a clutch shooter, and Kolek has been showing a nice stroke in his cameos. In a perfect world, I would also want someone like Kuzma, if he bought-in to what Thibs was selling...then our depth would be absolutely perfect, but the CBA is a thing and we'd be in a really good spot with 3 rim protectors/offensive rebounder + 6 top notch shooters + Hart.
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Post#1198 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:26 pm

cgf wrote:
ctorres wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:

We need another scoring bench guard or wing more than we need a center, it makes no sense to trade for Kessler if Robinson is still on the team, Kessler is a starting C.


Scoring bench guard -> Jordan Clarkson

The trade is going to be Miles McBride and Mitchell Robinson to the Utah Jazz for Walker Kessler and Jordan Clarkson

I'm calling it now


Deuce has more value to us than Utah, they already have 50 small guards they are trying to develop...and I just don't know if Thibs would play Clarkson or if he'd get Bogdanovic'd. Dadiet is our expendable piece that is probably going to be most interesting to them because they don't have any wing prospects with size like that.


And I'm still not sold we'd need another scorer off the bench if we solidified our center depth so we could start owning the offensive glass again. With Mitch / Kessler / Precious attacking the boards, Karl having a size advantage over every other 4 in the NBA, and Josh coming off the bench to outwork tired starters / bench bums, we could be a dominant offensive rebounding team again as well as having a ton of shooting around those more traditional bigs.

...Brunson, Bridges, Anunoby, Towns, Payne, & McBride all being very good shooters, Hart is a clutch shooter, and Kolek has been showing a nice stroke in his cameos. In a perfect world, I would also want someone like Kuzma, if he bought-in to what Thibs was selling...then our depth would be absolutely perfect, but the CBA is a thing and we'd be in a really good spot with 3 rim protectors/offensive rebounder + 6 top notch shooters + Hart.



Josh is the secondary creator on the team now, you take him out of the lineup and our offense gets even slower and more Brunson dominated. I have zero faith in Bridges at this point.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond 

Post#1199 » by cgf » Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:49 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
cgf wrote:
ctorres wrote:
Scoring bench guard -> Jordan Clarkson

The trade is going to be Miles McBride and Mitchell Robinson to the Utah Jazz for Walker Kessler and Jordan Clarkson

I'm calling it now


Deuce has more value to us than Utah, they already have 50 small guards they are trying to develop...and I just don't know if Thibs would play Clarkson or if he'd get Bogdanovic'd. Dadiet is our expendable piece that is probably going to be most interesting to them because they don't have any wing prospects with size like that.


And I'm still not sold we'd need another scorer off the bench if we solidified our center depth so we could start owning the offensive glass again. With Mitch / Kessler / Precious attacking the boards, Karl having a size advantage over every other 4 in the NBA, and Josh coming off the bench to outwork tired starters / bench bums, we could be a dominant offensive rebounding team again as well as having a ton of shooting around those more traditional bigs.

...Brunson, Bridges, Anunoby, Towns, Payne, & McBride all being very good shooters, Hart is a clutch shooter, and Kolek has been showing a nice stroke in his cameos. In a perfect world, I would also want someone like Kuzma, if he bought-in to what Thibs was selling...then our depth would be absolutely perfect, but the CBA is a thing and we'd be in a really good spot with 3 rim protectors/offensive rebounder + 6 top notch shooters + Hart.



Josh is the secondary creator on the team now, you take him out of the lineup and our offense gets even slower and more Brunson dominated. I have zero faith in Bridges at this point.


That's fair...although Bridges midrange has been automatic he needs to get his 3ball going. But I think that loss of Hart's playmaking in transition could be alleviated by:

A) scheming around Towns' passing ability more...he can't pressure the rim to force doubleteams before finding the open man, the way Julius did, but Karl has the passing touch to do a lot of the stuff Hartenstein started to do for us to get Brunson more off-ball buckets and create for our other shooters/cutters.

B) dominating the glass again. Our shooters having an off night wouldn't be as crippling if a lot more of those bricks were ending up as 2nd chance pts like they should if we had someone like Mitch / Precious / Kessler constantly crashing the glass and Karl bullying opposing 4s.

C) fixing our defense. With high-quality rim protection, Towns back in the defensive role he played well for Minny, and the perimeter defenders we have on this roster; we should be able to win games with our defense even when KAT & Brunson are both playing terribly. Not just by lowering the # of points we needed to win, but by creating more transition opportunities.


So I don't think our offensive results would necessarily drop off much, if at all...Karl is just as much of a mismatch for opposing 4s as he is 5s...and with a strong defense, there would be a lot more room for error offensively; so a bad shooting night wouldn't kill us like it did yesterday.

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But that lack of secondary playmaking is why I had my reservations about the trade and wish we could afford to bring someone like Kuzma in for our bench. Someone who has been a good defender when on a contender in the past, and has been learning to create for his team-mates in Washington, despite still being a streaky scorer.
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Re: Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond 

Post#1200 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Nov 24, 2024 3:03 pm

Knicks will trade Mitch. Doesn't anyone pay attention to how Don Leon operates?

Knicks build up organizational depth at a position, then trade from that spot.

Right now the Knicks have FIVE centers.
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Precious
Sims
Hukporti
Mitch

It isn't KAT. Might be Precious...will 6 million slot get you a decent player? Maybe. Not likely. Sims at 3 million? Probably not. Hukporti? No.
Mitch's 14 million? That would.
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