2011 NBA Draft Thread II (New Poll & Mock Draft Results)

TrueWarrior · Post #121 » by **TrueWarrior** » Tue May 24, 2011 8:16 pm

Pharmcat wrote:deandre jordan was lotto talent that fell into the 2nd round, it happens

Im intrigued by selby, but i think only in a case where NY gets a 2nd pick to get another player also

DJ looked like crap in college, but at least he was an athletic 7 footer with crazy length. Selby is what? A combo guard 6th man type. Instant offense off the pine.

But yea buying another pick changes everything. There are alot of guys Id buy another pick for. Selby could be one. I just dont want to walk outta this draft with just Selby.

StoudeMelo · Post #122 » by **StoudeMelo** » Tue May 24, 2011 8:17 pm

apparently Marshon Brooks has been talking in 3rd person in interviews at the combine. :lol:

dude seems a little out of it, I'd stay away from him..

Pharmcat · Post #123 » by **Pharmcat** » Tue May 24, 2011 8:17 pm

TrueWarrior wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:deandre jordan was lotto talent that fell into the 2nd round, it happens

Im intrigued by selby, but i think only in a case where NY gets a 2nd pick to get another player also

DJ looked like crap in college, but at least he was an athletic 7 footer with crazy length. Selby is what? A combo guard 6th man type. A slightly better Douglas is his best case.

But yea buying another pick changes everything. There are alot of guys Id buy another pick for. Selby could be one. I just dont want to walk outta this draft with just Selby.

fair enough

Kn1cks · Post #124 » by **Kn1cks** » Tue May 24, 2011 8:21 pm

Why would anyone want Motiejunas? He's a project who can't rebound, play inside and he's soft and lacks a motor. I'm personally sick of drafting these type of bigs. Draft a C or a PF who play like a real C or PF. Enough of having the Center stand 25 feet from the hoop at both ends, it's stupid.

BelieveTheDream · Post #125 » by **BelieveTheDream** » Tue May 24, 2011 8:28 pm

Kn1cks wrote:Why would anyone want Motiejunas? He's a project who can't rebound, play inside and he's soft and lacks a motor. I'm personally sick of drafting these type of bigs. Draft a C or a PF who play like a real C or PF. Enough of having the Center stand 25 feet from the hoop at both ends, it's stupid.

ok here we go again...same thing was said bout bargagni who is so under rated...This guy averaged 6 rebounds in 25 min, he is a lefty and he fits the bill...He has a midrange he can work on/he can finish and he can put on some weight on his frame and his size next to amare and skillset could be great....Im a HUGE BARGAGNI FAN and ive heard comparisons for a while now with some even saying they think he can be better....If he is available at 17 im taking him

Post #126 » by **Manhattan Project** » Tue May 24, 2011 8:44 pm

Kn1cks wrote:Why would anyone want Motiejunas? He's a project who can't rebound, play inside and he's soft and lacks a motor. I'm personally sick of drafting these type of bigs. Draft a C or a PF who play like a real C or PF. Enough of having the Center stand 25 feet from the hoop at both ends, it's stupid.

Because guys who play like a real C or PF go top ten, period. Who doesn't want a real center who will play down low with his back to the basket, problem there is only a few in the game. I mean at some point in the draft when talent falls into your lap you have to take it.

Has the ability to score with both hands, excellent footwork and amazing body control. For a guy his size he has excellent ball handling skills, matchup problems. He can post up and his midrange game is where he has shown flashes of the Dirk that we see creating havoc right now.

He is a liability on defense, no one can deny that. His rebounding does leave a little something to be desired, but at 17 in this draft every player has baggage.

Rasho Brezec · Post #127 » by **Rasho Brezec** » Tue May 24, 2011 8:49 pm

If he falls to us, then we should get him. Although anyone who resembles Bargnani in any way is a no-no in my book, he's way too skilled in the post to not draft him. Then get Anthony Mason to light a fire under his ass.

Post #128 » by **Manhattan Project** » Tue May 24, 2011 8:52 pm

I also said it before, but if anyone got time to kill and have X-Box they should watch some of the games on ESPN demand, actually get a feel for the player instead of the opinion of one or two draft writers.

Marty McFly · Post #129 » by **Marty McFly** » Tue May 24, 2011 8:54 pm

donatas could be that stretch 5 has been dying for.

TrueWarrior · Post #130 » by **TrueWarrior** » Tue May 24, 2011 8:58 pm

But if Donuts is so good why would he drop so much?

Well there are serious questions about his work ethic, laziness, intensity, cushionness, and all that good stuff. There was a thread on the Raptor board saying he doesnt even like basketball. I say if Donuts falls to us we let him fall a little further. If we buy another pick I might take the chance, but I dont like what Ive seen or read.

Post #131 » by **Manhattan Project** » Tue May 24, 2011 9:03 pm

TrueWarrior wrote:But if Donuts is so good why would he drop so much?

Well there are serious questions about his work ethic, laziness, intensity, cushionness, and all that good stuff. There was a thread on the Raptor board saying he doesnt even like basketball. I say if Donuts falls to us we let him fall a little further. If we buy another pick I might take the chance, but I dont like what Ive seen or read.

I do believe that it's the defense/rebounding and the potential of staying overseas. To me watching him play this year he took some big time strides is becoming a more complete player that has the talent of a top five pick in this draft.

TrueWarrior · Post #132 » by **TrueWarrior** » Tue May 24, 2011 9:09 pm

Manhattan Project wrote:
TrueWarrior wrote:But if Donuts is so good why would he drop so much?

Well there are serious questions about his work ethic, laziness, intensity, cushionness, and all that good stuff. There was a thread on the Raptor board saying he doesnt even like basketball. I say if Donuts falls to us we let him fall a little further. If we buy another pick I might take the chance, but I dont like what Ive seen or read.

I do believe that it's the defense/rebounding and the potential of staying overseas. To me watching him play this year he took some big time strides is becoming a more complete player that has the talent of a top five pick in this draft.

Fair enough. I watched a full game of his this year and of course some highlights. Hes got offensive talent no doubt, but everything else about him I dont like. Literally everything else. I could see him being a hell of a 6th man, which is what Raptor fans want Bargnani to be but hes too expensive and they cant kill his value, but knowing Pringles we'll toss him at starting center and teams will have a lot of fun playing us.

You just gotta wonder why a talent like him would drop, issues aside.

BTW this thread tickles the funny bone: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1113448&start=180
Raptor fans are having a field day with the Donatas/Bargnani combo.

Post #133 » by **Manhattan Project** » Tue May 24, 2011 9:16 pm

TrueWarrior wrote:Fair enough. I watched a full game of his this year and of course some highlights. Hes got offensive talent no doubt, but everything else about him I dont like. Literally everything else. I could see him being a hell of a 6th man, which is what Raptor fans want Bargnani to be but hes too expensive and they cant kill his value, but knowing Pringles we'll toss him at starting center and teams will have a lot of fun playing us.

You just gotta wonder why a talent like him would drop, issues aside.

To me he is just like every other four or five, he is an exceptional player on one side of the ball. How many offensive/defensive guys do we have that can only play one side of the ball? You put Motie next to a defensive center and he can really shine IMO. However he don't have that so it's plausible that we would pass on that fact alone. I mean with Melo and Amar'e manning the forward positions for the next three years at least and the fact that Walsh does indeed want a defensive center it's easy to build up reasons to pass on Motie. Do you take the talent and get a veteran center in free agency? Who knows.

I mean Motie makes sense to me.
Faried makes sense.
Jimmer makes sense.
Brooks makes sense.
Klay makes sense.
Jackson makes sense.
Selby makes sense.
Vucevic makes sense.

So many guys make sense with this team it's hard to zero in on one guy. The more I really think and look at it, this draft has the Knicks written all over it. We can really clean up in this draft and considering our future outlook on picks we really should do everything we can in this one.

Pharmcat · Post #134 » by **Pharmcat** » Tue May 24, 2011 9:18 pm

^the question is if donnie can make these deals? I say no cuz he will stand pat due to 2012 in m ind

Post #135 » by **GONYK** » Tue May 24, 2011 9:37 pm

Pharmcat wrote:^the question is if donnie can make these deals? I say no cuz he will stand pat due to 2012 in m ind

I see no way Donnie stands pat. He already admitted that the team, as currently constructed, isn't any good.

Maybe we should hire Pritch as a draft consultant and let him try out for the GM job.

Johnny Hoops · Post #136 » by **Johnny Hoops** » Tue May 24, 2011 9:40 pm

Just not seeing Selby and the Knicks -- just doesn't feel like a Walsh pick or a fit.

Montejiunas is an oustanding passer -- his biggest asset. I almost see a slower/bigger Toni Kukoc when he passes the basketball.

Right now I'm liking.....the 2 SGs - Thompson/Brooks -- but not sure which.

Also like Vucevic, Montejiunas, Jimmer and maybe Faried.

Post #137 » by **moocow007** » Tue May 24, 2011 9:46 pm

Time for Walsh to screw the fantasy of 2012 and go ahead and start buying up those picks.

eviL · Post #138 » by **eviL** » Tue May 24, 2011 9:51 pm

moocow007 wrote:Time for Walsh to screw the fantasy of 2012 and go ahead and start buying up those picks.

Pharmcat · Post #139 » by **Pharmcat** » Tue May 24, 2011 9:54 pm

moocow007 wrote:Time for Walsh to screw the fantasy of 2012 and go ahead and start buying up those picks.

he wont do it, its not his MO

TrueWarrior · Post #140 » by **TrueWarrior** » Tue May 24, 2011 9:54 pm

So Faried went from almost leading the poll in the last thread to only getting 1 vote now. Klay Thompson barely got any love in the last poll and now hes almost leading. I switched my vote to Klay before the poll was shut down. Just interesting to see people shift. This draft is so wide open that I could choose 7-8 of these guys and be good.

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