Knicks vs Nuggets - January 21st, 2012. 7:30pm EST

Clyde_Style · Post #121 » by **Clyde_Style** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:30 pm

Red Vines wrote:When Chauncey was amnestied he said in a moment of angry honesty that he thought the Knicks were still a few pieces away from being a championship contender, "but wouldn't say what those missing pieces are." I think one of those he was talking about is the coach. I think Melo feels the same way.

We don't need no stinking pieces Senor!

We need some crazy glue!

Shemy · Post #122 » by **Shemy** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:50 pm

Wishin we would see Ill Will make a return

Heat_team02 · Post #123 » by **Heat_team02** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:25 pm

side note:

The chant would sound better if they said "Fire Toni!" with claps in between.

MSG · Post #124 » by **MSG** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:50 pm

So because of the switching defense one of the worst defenders in the league in Amare will guard Ty Lawson,one of the quickest point guards in the league.

How many points will Lawson get tonight ?

towelie · Post #125 » by **towelie** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:59 pm

Prediction: This is the game that breaks D'Antoni's back and gets him fired.

Please?

MSG · Post #126 » by **MSG** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:00 pm

towelie wrote:Prediction: This is the game that breaks D'Antoni's back and gets him fired.

Please?

D'ANTONI WON'T BE FIRED ANY TIME SOON

RutgersBJJ · Post #127 » by **RutgersBJJ** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:01 pm

The most frustrating thing is I understand why we do the switching. It works out well when we have players like Jeffries, Chandler, and Shump that even when they are mis-matched can still play defense and if we switch early in the shot-clock when a team goes to set a pick later in the shot-clock and we switch on the pick we will no longer be in a mis-match. This is a great strategy if you plan to play successful defense for the whole 24 seconds of the possession. Terrible defense if you cannot stop the initial play, which we struggle to do.

Woodson is coaching the defense like Josh Smith is still on his roster, we have no Josh SMith. Jeffries is the closest thing we have to someone who can defend any position on the court, and he is no Josh Smith.

Lawson will smoke us, further cementing his status as a top 10 PG in the league. And this isn't even accounting for Andre Miller who has no business being a bench player in this league, he should be starting, he should be starting here god damn-it if we just had kept Felton. I wonder if the front office knew we could have Andre Miller for Felton if they would have included the PG swap in the trade?

Somehow Gallo will get credit for Ty Lawson being amazing, mass bannings ensue over the pining over a 17 and 5 player ignoring the fact that Denver is where they are right now because of Ty Lawson and because of the Felton for Miller swap on draft night. The 10 deep strategy didn't work for them against OKC because Felton is a terrible point guard at running an offense, now they have 2 great playmakers who can run any offensive set and it's nightmare for opposing teams.

QueenzAllDay · Post #128 » by **QueenzAllDay** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:16 pm

I'm probably stupid/crazy. But I'm not concerned about any of the L's we get now. If this team fails to make the playoffs- Then we should be worried. As long as we can figure something out by the end of the season I'll be ok.

Clyde_Style · Post #129 » by **Clyde_Style** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:23 pm

QueenzAllDay wrote:I'm probably stupid/crazy. But I'm not concerned about any of the L's we get now. If this team fails to make the playoffs- Then we should be worried. As long as we can figure something out by the end of the season I'll be ok.

There are six more games in January and we could have around a .300 record by the end of the month with a third of the season gone. That's a big hole to be in. We'd have to play at around a .600 clip the rest of the season to end at .500 which would make the playoffs this year. That would require us to have good PG play for 40 games. Otherwise, I don't expect that to happen. This is likely a .400-.500 team this year and it is likely to be to the lower end of that.

kane · Post #130 » by **kane** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:30 pm

towelie wrote:Prediction: This is the game that breaks D'Antoni's back and gets him fired.

Please?

if the knicks lose this game honestly i think melo is going to take most of the heat

Clyde_Style · Post #131 » by **Clyde_Style** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:35 pm

kane wrote:
towelie wrote:Prediction: This is the game that breaks D'Antoni's back and gets him fired.

Please?

if the knicks lose this game honestly i think melo is going to take most of the heat

Melo set himself up as the punchline for the post-game. If he thought his public challenge to his teammates will work he also has to know if it doesn't it actually bites him in the butt the most. Him and Amare like to talk about things they don't necessarily do and sometimes that becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy of the wrong kind.

Red Vines · Post #132 » by **Red Vines** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:38 pm

I hope Melo passes to open teammates all game and we lose by 50.

Jose7 · Post #133 » by **Jose7** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:48 pm

Red Vines wrote:I hope Melo passes to open teammates all game and we lose by 50.

so you hope we lose to validate your point?

:roll:

Let's go Knicks.. everyone.. like BK said it's about pride now. Get back on your feet an play a hell of a game on both ends.

Red Vines · Post #134 » by **Red Vines** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:52 pm

Jose7© wrote:
Red Vines wrote:I hope Melo passes to open teammates all game and we lose by 50.

so you hope we lose to validate your point?

Let's go Knicks.. everyone.. like BK said it's about pride now. Get back on your feet an play a hell of a game on both ends.

No, I just want to start figuring out where our problems are. If Melo finds a bunch of open shooters and they build a brick mansion, we can single that out as a problem instead of saying he doesn't pass enough.

thebuzzardman · Post #135 » by **thebuzzardman** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:01 pm

Knicks lose this by 30. This won't even be close.

It's not so much whether which team is better at the end of the season, is that the Knicks are short an important piece in a legit PG and Denver was, before the Melo trade, and certainly after, a much deeper team than the Knicks.

And, due to Knicks lack of depth, are forced to use a rookie SG at PG and a 2nd year, 40th pick SF at SG. And so on.

Knicks may be even, slightly less good, or slightly more good than Denver at END OF THE YEAR, but right know, with continuity and depth, Knicks lose big.

I wont' even watch this mess or come on this forum due to the game will suck and massive panty bunching that will be in effect here will be sickening beyond belief.

Marty McFly · Post #136 » by **Marty McFly** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:06 pm

MSG wrote:
towelie wrote:Prediction: This is the game that breaks D'Antoni's back and gets him fired.

Please?

D'ANTONI WON'T BE FIRED ANY TIME SOON

you never know. it would be poetic justice (or injustice) in a way.

he got his first NBA HC job with the nuggets and got fired from that; the knicks trade half the roster for melo to the nuggets, and we're clearly one of the worst teams in the nba with no end in sight.

but yeah, dolan's the owner. so not gonna happen.

kane · Post #137 » by **kane** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:38 pm

call me crazy but i think they will win tonight then lose every game after that till baron comes back lol

Knicker23 · Post #138 » by **Knicker23** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:56 pm

As much as I get annoyed, like everyone, by Melo shooting more than he should... The whole "give the other guys shots" thing, when he's out there with Billy Walker and TD and Bibby, doesn't really hold as much weight as it would if we had an actual team... As odd as it is, Melo shooting the ball 3 or 4 times in a row, is just as good an option for us.. it's probably pretty much consistent over time to opposing teams switching it up and going through 3 or 4 guys... It's just our form of that is through one guy putting the team on his back and doing it all himself, ha..

Now if we had good ball movement and guys that could hit open shots on the court, sure let the ball swing... But Melo shooting a bunch in a row, and 'getting his' usually amounts to some sort of equivalent to most opposing teams... Though obviously it ain't working now.

Is Nene playing tonight?

AJ Valliant · Post #139 » by **AJ Valliant** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:58 pm

While i have occasional doubts about Melo's game to game 2 way impact...the dude can rise to the occasion like an all time killer. One of the things I find so frustrating about him is that he can play excellent man D when he's motivated...and he will be insanely motivated tonight, so I see a huge night for him. I am a Raptors fan* (I know, we are a disgrace this year) and I'm more excited about this game than any yet this season.

* I read this board daily. You have an interesting fanbase that is insanely passionate about basketball, so while I do cheer against you as rivals, I enjoy reading and occasionally posting here, and do not troll, so peace be.

KnicksManiac · Post #140 » by **KnicksManiac** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:03 pm

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