another Lin thread filled with no useful information #6

[Falstaffxx]

I absolutely agree with everything here except that the future looks bad. I think the future looks better with Lin, but we clear so much cap space in 3 years that we can restart and rebuild there (and we'll finally be looking at draft picks again too)...so my thinking is, with Lin the future looks great. Without Lin, the future is more uncertain but there's still a lot to look up to.

I think it's we want our guy, Lin was ours unlike Melo and Amare, We found him and gave us fans hope of a bright future and to just have it taken away hurts.

I completely feel you. I hated seeing Gallo and Wilson Chandler go. I hate to see Lin go as well, I think he makes us a better team right now with or without Felton. What I can't stand is that people have turned this into an unprecedented disaster. It's really not THAT bad. It's painful if he goes for sure, but it's not the end of the world.

The thing is, with Gallo and Chandler going, it was for Carmelo, so I was happy about it. I was like "yay, we're getting Carmelo Anthony." But this is different, of course.

[Knicks_Fan2]

Ben Golliver ‏@blazersedge
"There are definitely issues there." -- Blazers GM Neil Olshey on condition of Jared Jeffries' knees

[makeitstop]

Rockets fan from last thread:

Rockets fan here. We've been talking on Rockets boards and we figured out that Morey planned out stealing Lin from you guys by ramping up the offer sheet from the start. He didn't resign our starting pg, Dragic, and he traded our backup, Lowry, for a draft pick. This was after the Knicks had let it be known that they would match any offer for Lin, so obviously he had his plan in place from now. He knew that the Knicks planned to match any offersheet, so he purposefully negotiated the first one low. This caused the Knicks to make moves with the assumption of a 9mil poison pill in year 3. They signed Novak and Kidd to 3 year deals, and the Rockets even traded them Camby--on a 3 year deal. Only after they were done making moves did Morey ramp up the offer sheet to the dramatically higher 15mil in the third year. The Knicks had not planned for this, and now they had already committed salary, and could no longer match. Had the 15mil poison pill been offered from the start, the Knicks could have still matched, but Morey fooled them.
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That's evil genius style.

If that is all true than I have to hand it to Morey. That would be playing this off season like people play chess.

But... what if we match?

I would not put it past the FO to do exactly that.

The media narrative - all seemingly coming from the Knicks' side - is 'We probably won't match.' What if those leaks are a setup, meant to make Morey think he's won?

That would be the true Evil Genius sh*t.

And let's remember how Nash was close to being a Knick - until he wasn't. Dwight was a lock for Brooklyn - until he wasn't. Kidd was going to the Nyets - until he ended up here.

Don't believe anything until the announcement is made. There are games being played here.

[Synciere]

Wilbon and Broussard both saying Felton is a better ball player.

Go figure.

[ShotgunNitty]

if lin is matched and felton starts. will this board be able to handle it ? because it's a possibility.

Some posters will find a way to blame Melo for Felton starting

[CoolKids]

At least the thread is aptly titled

[ptsuperfly]

I'm still in a state of disbelief that this is happening.

Calm down buddy. You guys are the Knicks. You'll match.

If you don't, it shows a paradigm shift in the NBA.

I think Forbes said your team netted over 200 mill last year. Maybe Dolan doesn't make a quarter billion dollars a year anymore in profit... but he should match.

[emo]

Anyone wants to have a sig/avatar bet on whether the knicks re-sign Jeremy Lin or not?

[Red Vines]

This is still the semi-official account of what has happened:

The Knicks can't be happy that the Rockets changed the terms of the deal they originally agreed upon with Lin. It was a four-year, $28.8-million contract, but the fourth year was a team option for $9.3 million.

The Knicks had all intentions of matching that for Lin, who averaged 17.7 points and 8.2 assists in 25 starts and was even more valuable to the team off the court from a business and marketing standpoint.

Last Wednesday, coach Mike Woodson said, "Absolutely," when he was asked if he expected the Knicks to match Houston's deal. He was also asked ifn the Knicks blinked at the Rockets' offer, and Woodson replied, "Never once," and said Lin would be the starting point guard heading into training camp.

But after the Rockets upped the ante in the third year of the deal, the Knicks started looking for an alternative at point guard and brought back a familiar face.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketbal ... um=twitter

[kingOfqueens]

question for all the conspiracy theorists out there who think were not matching because Dolan feels slighted by lin supposedly going back to the rockets to up the offer.. what does dolan get out of letting lin walk for nothing? Lin still gets paid the same amount of money whether we match or not. If Dolan does really feel disrespected wouldn't it be more spiteful to match lins offer and trade him to some other team? just a thought..

[CrazyKnicks]

if lin is matched and felton starts. will this board be able to handle it ? because it's a possibility.

If Felton is outplaying Lin then I wouldn't have a problem. Whoever deserves to start and whatever combinations on the court contribute to us winning.

[Sky_Knicks]

Lin was better than Shumpert by a long shot last year. Shumpert was good, Lin was an impact player.

Shumpert has a long, long way to go before he can contribute to a winning team on the offensive end in the NBA. I love his defense, intensity, and swagger--but he's a Tony Allen, a role player.

I don't want to trash the kid, but to suggest that he showed anything remotely close to what Lin showed, would be, well, stupid. I'd honestly be surprised if he ever does.

I see both you guys are caught up in Linsanity... If your boy was soooo impactful how come Iman was named All-Rookie yet Lin wasn't?

Lin wasnt a rookie last season. And he got no playing time when he was a rookie.

[god shammgod]

Ben Golliver ‏@blazersedge
"There are definitely issues there." -- Blazers GM Neil Olshey on condition of Jared Jeffries' knees

i guess he wasn't an asset after all.

[johnnywishbone]

Was listening to Kay on the radio when his show began and he simply said that with all of his sources and contacts at msg not one person at msg has made a decision yet, and not one person from msg is letting anyone know what their plans are and if they do they are risking their job, so he flat out said that every source is not in tune with what is really going on at msg..

probably the truth.

Da' Nile - it's not just a river in Egypt.

[Falstaffxx]

if lin is matched and felton starts. will this board be able to handle it ? because it's a possibility.

Yeah, because it will be the coach's decision based on something other than Dolan being annoyed at Lin, and we'll still have Lin playing a big role.

[stevieg987]

Jared Zwerling: Someone I spoke with who works with a #Knicks player said that Lin could've said #Knicks and no other team early on. But he tested market.

WE TOLD HIM TO. WE SAID WE'RE NOT GOING TO "BID AGAINST OURSELVES". GO SET YOUR MARKET VALUE. JESUS H. CHRIST. STOP TRYING TO SCAPEGOAT AND BLAME LIN.

We took every measure to fck ourselves. It sounds more and more like the Knicks don't and never really wanted Lin back. And I don't get it.

dude he set his market with the first agreement (3 years 19 million with a 9 million dollar team option).

he then felt the need to accept more...fair enough he has every right to do that, but he then risk the chance of the knicks matching.

he made his bed

No, the market is what someone is willing to sign you for. Not discuss verbally. Until pen meets paper it's insignificant. We asked for it, we got it.

[Smokey9782]

I'm still in a state of disbelief that this is happening.

I feel exactly the same way.

Bottom line is the Knicks can go to war with this entire team, or this entire team plus Jeremy Lin. Remember, this isn't an either or, or a trade where the Knicks lose someone. It's a team with Lin or without, and the former obviously has more upside.

As for the money, the Dolan's are worth billions and the luxury tax isn't an issue here. That's a complete smokescreen. It really just comes down to the fact that the Knicks are willingly deciding to have less talent on the team than they ultimately could because Little Jimmy Dolan got his feelings hurt. The entire situation is a joke.

[bigfnjoe96]

Lin was better than Shumpert by a long shot last year. Shumpert was good, Lin was an impact player.

Shumpert has a long, long way to go before he can contribute to a winning team on the offensive end in the NBA. I love his defense, intensity, and swagger--but he's a Tony Allen, a role player.

I don't want to trash the kid, but to suggest that he showed anything remotely close to what Lin showed, would be, well, stupid. I'd honestly be surprised if he ever does.

I see both you guys are caught up in Linsanity... If your boy was soooo impactful how come Iman was named All-Rookie yet Lin wasn't?

Lin wasn't a rookie.

Yes he was my man.... Go check

[Pharmcat]

Ben Golliver ‏@blazersedge
"There are definitely issues there." -- Blazers GM Neil Olshey on condition of Jared Jeffries' knees

i guess he wasn't an asset after all.

thats why he wasnt resigned

JJ the player had a great role, but his knee is iffy

[mpharris36]

We refuse to negotiate with Lin. Tell him to set market price. Leak that we'll match anything. He gets exactly the offer expected; we have a change of heart.

if your going to make statements make correct ones.

the "verbal" agreement was a deal a little easier to swallow...neither was refuted from the Rockets or Lin's camp. So the Knicks were working on the pretenses that it was a 3 year 19 million dollar offer with a 9 million 3rd year instead of 3 years 25 million with a 15 million dollar kicker.

lin has every right to do that but don't act like Lin is innocent here...he wanted money over NY