Grunwald depreciation day

[Greenie]

The only clear mistake I think Grunwald pulled was picking up Chauncey's contracts, then amnestying him like a week later.

That was our get out of jail free card, and we used it on a player who we didn't have to pay in the first place.

I know why he did it. We would have need Billups' contract in any potential CP3 deal. But to commit to the longshot, and then waste the amnesty after it was a bit ridiculous.

I will never forgive him for that.

We couldn't have gotten Tyson without it though, in hindsight, since Billups had a like $4M guaranteed.

And everyone knows how much you love Tyson

IDGAF about Tyson if that means getting rid of STAT. The team comes first and that was a bad move.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

Amnestying Billups was not a big deal. 2011 offseason was the best time to use cap space. When you factor in re-signing JR and Novak, and signing Kidd, Felton, and Camby, amnestying Amare in 2012 offseason would not have given us more cap space than we had as a result of the Billups amnesty.

[Greenie]

Amnestying Billups was not a big deal. 2011 offseason was the best time to use cap space. When you factor in re-signing JR and Novak, and signing Kidd, Felton, and Camby, amnestying Amare in 2012 offseason would not have given us more cap space than we had as a result of the Billups amnesty.

That's not how things work.

Everything is a domino effect. Trading for Tyson means we went all in. Thus all the moves mad after him.

Now lets say we kept Billups going into the season. Maybe a trade happens but we also became aware of the Melo and STAT chemistry and the fact that STAT was hurt often. Maybe we begin to look at the 2013 FA class. Maybe we keep him through last year and get rid of him this off-season clearing space for CP3 and D12.

[Thugger HBC]

Sheridan wastes no time.....

Too large to quote, but the gist is Grunwald did OK, but could have been better.

Not my opinion, only the writer.

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/09/26/the-glen-grunwald-era-ends-how-did-he-do/

[ORANGEandBLUE]

[That's not how things work.

Everything is a domino effect. Trading for Tyson means we went all in. Thus all the moves mad after him.

Now lets say we kept Billups going into the season. Maybe a trade happens but we also became aware of the Melo and STAT chemistry and the fact that STAT was hurt often. Maybe we begin to look at the 2013 FA class. Maybe we keep him through last year and get rid of him this off-season clearing space for CP3 and D12.

FO knew that Tyson was about as good as they'd do with cap space. We didn't have the assets to bid for cp3 and Dwight. Delaying the cap space signing means delaying the addition of depth, and I think Melo came here on the assumption that we'd put our chips in relatively soon.

[Thugger HBC]

Amnestying Billups was not a big deal. 2011 offseason was the best time to use cap space. When you factor in re-signing JR and Novak, and signing Kidd, Felton, and Camby, amnestying Amare in 2012 offseason would not have given us more cap space than we had as a result of the Billups amnesty.

That's not how things work.

Everything is a domino effect. Trading for Tyson means we went all in. Thus all the moves mad after him.

Now lets say we kept Billups going into the season. Maybe a trade happens but we also became aware of the Melo and STAT chemistry and the fact that STAT was hurt often. Maybe we begin to look at the 2013 FA class. Maybe we keep him through last year and get rid of him this off-season clearing space for CP3 and D12.

The only thing that hurts your theory is Billups wound up being injured for pretty much the whole year, which kinda kills the trade scenario.

Another point was as soon as the series was over D'antoni went into a lengthy detail talking about Melo becoming a triple double threat...imo, Billups was a "paid" goner.

I agree with the FA class thingy, but not the players mentioned, Dwight wants no part of NY, and CP3 proved to be 100% fake hustle....he could have pulled a Melo move before we signed tyson, and he chumped out and left his agent to dry.

[mrcalzone]

Picking up Billups team option, only to waste the amnesty clause on his expiring contract was an absolutely TERRIBLE move. That amnesty should have been saved to use on Amare's albatross contract, not a god damn expiring.

[Pharmcat]

Picking up Billups team option, only to waste the amnesty clause on his expiring contract was an absolutely TERRIBLE move. That amnesty should have been saved to use on Amare's albatross contract, not a god damn expiring.

thats the biggest mistake grunwald made

not getting blatche too

but otherwise he did good job

[Brooklyn_Yards]

Walsh picked up Billups option... it had to be done a few days after Boston ousted us. Billips option was picked up in April, Walsh stepped down in June.

[god shammgod]

trying to be more competitive and improving our cap flexibility is hard to do at the same time. hard to blame anyone for not achieving both.

[Moose]

Walsh picked up Billups option... it had to be done a few days after Boston ousted us. Billips option was picked up in April, Walsh stepped down in June.

Not sure how people forget this. It looks bad, but that was technically not a grunnie move.

[Thugger HBC]

Walsh picked up Billups option... it had to be done a few days after Boston ousted us. Billips option was picked up in April, Walsh stepped down in June.

Yeah, not sure why folks are linking those two things together.

As far as the amnesty thing goes, I've heard time and again "should have saved it for amare".

Cool, now tell the owner to eat 40 million bucks....wasnt even a thought.

and if you save for after this year, then whats the difference in using it on Billups than using it on Amare in his last year?

Plus Billups got injured, and was done for the season, so the team actually dodged a bullet there unless folks think Tyson is worse than an injured Billups.

The amnesty paved way for Tyson, now if the stance is Tyson wasnt worth it then cool, but I've yet to see strong dialogue on that.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Picking up Billups option was a no brainer. If we did not pick up his option wee would have had to take an additional cap hit (around $4mil) and we would have had only been about $7mil under the cap which isn't much more then the mle and we would have still needed a pg.

The mistake was using our amnesty on Billups, then investing so much into a frontcourt that isn't an ideal fit while leaving little flexivbility.

At the time, everyone had there eyes on 2012 and beyond since Billups and other contracts were expiring. The Knicks would have had cap space AND there amnesty and could have probably built a better fitting team around Melo had we been more patient.

Oh well, thats hind site...but the fact is that not picking up Billups option wouldnt have done us much

[HarthorneWingo]

He put the most unathletic roster imaginable out there. Not that I am happy with Melo, but the role players as a group on this team can only play a low speed game. We can't get easy buckets because nobody can run. We can't keep up with athletes like last night. We are dead last in the league in assists per game because nobody moves without the ball.

You can put some of it on the coach and his brand of basketball, but the fact is we simply don't have many guys who can keep up with the young legs in this league.

So bravo Grunwald for creating a down the hill supporting cast with zero athleticism.

Edit: I officially miss Lin, Fields, and Jeffries. That says a lot...

And you enjoyed the Mills/Isiah era?

[seren]

He put the most unathletic roster imaginable out there. Not that I am happy with Melo, but the role players as a group on this team can only play a low speed game. We can't get easy buckets because nobody can run. We can't keep up with athletes like last night. We are dead last in the league in assists per game because nobody moves without the ball.

You can put some of it on the coach and his brand of basketball, but the fact is we simply don't have many guys who can keep up with the young legs in this league.

So bravo Grunwald for creating a down the hill supporting cast with zero athleticism.

Edit: I officially miss Lin, Fields, and Jeffries. That says a lot...

And you enjoyed the Mills/Isiah era?

I don't think I ever said that.

[Ewingfan]

Grunwald did an excellent job. I will leave it at that.

[Thorn]

Grunwald did an excellent job. I will leave it at that.

I feel the same.

[Capn'O]

Cool, now tell the owner to eat 40 million bucks....wasnt even a thought.

Actually 60 million... and exactly.

[Thugger HBC]

Cool, now tell the owner to eat 40 million bucks....wasnt even a thought.

Actually 60 million... and exactly.

I used the 40 mil, because at the 60 mil point he wasnt having issues with his knees, which started to happen after the amnesty period was over.

He was 'dream shaking" last summer, and seemed ready to go, til he bumped knees during training camp.

But either way, no owner eats that kind of money.