OT. The Donald Trump (and Politics) Momentum Thread

[IllmaticHandler]

While everyone is Focusing on Islam and the middle east.


America is producing these cats at a rapid rate....where should the focus really be.

[Isiahthomass]

Btw, Bernie is not a socialist. He has some socialist views, like believing everyone should have free healthcare, and everyone who works 40 or more hours per week should not be living in poverty, and be earning a livable wage.

That's not socialism. That's social democracy. Every Western European country established it after WWII.

Yep...Hence his self appointed title of "democratic socialist"

You can put whatever adjective you want infront of 'socialist'. It is still socialism.

[be reasonable]

Right now, I would say trump has to be the odds on favorite for the white house. He is wiping the floor with rubio and cruz. Hilary is going to win the nomination on the democratic side. But the fact that a relative unknown like bernie sanders is giving her such a tight race shows how badly she has faded as a candidate. Honestly I think trump is going to crush her when the time comes and he will be the next president of the united states of America.

[Riot Randolph]

Nationalism is saying white race is superior...racism is saying Mexicans are rapists...

Ummmmmm.... what?

Mr Bill, you need to look up the word ignorance, the word you meant is "hope" because that is what Clinton supporters have on their side. Clinton, if she had any other name, would be an inferior candidate. The name Clinton is synonymous with economic prosperity (be it through his leadership or luck).

Ignorance is stating that just because something is different that it will be better. We all wanted Fisher fired, now we have Rambis. We wanted Scott Layden fired, we got Isiah Thomas we got "help" in Zach Randolph, how did that work?

I agree with the idea that "something big is happening here" and it is actually feasting on actual ignorance. Knowing that you want change, and voting for whatever is opposing the "system". We need a system reform, we need to have a more representative government with more clarity and transparency. That is why i support a more republican form of government as opposed to our Oligarchy or Aristocracy that we presently have. We may all "vote" but our votes are for party selected candidates.


Obviously what knicks85 said is so incorrect its funny (i may assume he was joking). Both examples are discrimination and bias.
I do actually believe in a return to nationalism. I believe that our country should provide equality to those that do not speak english. English vs Spanish is the popular debate, but appropriate English compared to slang. Is use of profanity, use of slang in a job interview a legitimate reason to not hire someone ? I would say it is, but from a cultural perspective may my definition of slang and improper grammar be an unfair bias which can serve to undermine fair hiring practices? This debate, to me, has no easy answer, but I figured it would be worth mentioning.

To respond to "trump is the most believable candidate" I question: what is their to believe in? Colin Cowherd, for all of his shortcomings, I have heard make great points in regards to how people actually vote. To paraphrase, someone may say that they hate mcdonalds, subway, etc, but they still buy the product.
Trump has talked about his "platforms" and spoken with bravado about what strong leadership he can bring. Trump's history is riddled with inconsistencies which highlight only one commonality: Trump is in it for Trump.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ[/youtube]
If you want someone real, someone who tells it like it is, he exists, and he isn't interested in the race -- Jon Stewart. Whether you agree with him on policy or not is ENTIRELY a different matter, but he is someone who literally calls it as HE sees it. There are certainly others out there who have that honesty and genuine nature to them. But unfortunately, we don't get to pick from them. We are stuck with a Mascot for the bad side of capitalism who openly idolizes despots, a socialist, the definition of the Democrat establishment, A carpet-bomber who loves Jesus, the wunderkind of the Republican establishment, and an old know-it-all who has been a part of as many successes as failures.

That is what we have to pick from.
Your red badge may just become a bullet wound for Americans when all is said and done should other nations respond to Trump the way our country has responded to similar leaders abroad.

i was referring to the comparison of extreme forms of nationalism and Racism ...since he was trying to make a distinction and correcting the person above him...

[spree8]

Btw, Bernie is not a socialist. He has some socialist views, like believing everyone should have free healthcare, and everyone who works 40 or more hours per week should not be living in poverty, and be earning a livable wage.

That's not socialism. That's social democracy. Every Western European country established it after WWII.

The reason those Western European countries are able to spend so much more money on social services and the like are because the United States subsidize their defense through NATO to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars each year. Cut the defense budgets and you will see much better redistribution, but the politicians (Bernie included) can't have their buddies in the military hardware business sitting on unused 3 million dollars tanks and Apache helicopters.

I know Bernie has spoken out about the military industrial complex in the past because of their power and ability. He's welcomed them into his state, but I wouldn't say he's in bed with them the way some would say Clinton is with Wall Street.

Also, Trump has mentioned that these European countries would have to chip in and help out as a result of the enormous amount of help they are getting from us in that regard.

[Isiahthomass]

While everyone is Focusing on Islam and the middle east.


America is producing these cats at a rapid rate....where should the focus really be.

What are you trying to say?



Mainstream media is doing a good job of ignoring this shooting, had maybe 1 day of 'decent coverage' tops?

[HarthorneWingo]

She passed the crime bill while not holding any type of office? How'd she manage to pull that off?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/12/1994-crime-bill-haunts-clinton-and-sanders-as-criminal-justice-reform-rises-to-top-in-democratic-contest/?tid=a_inl

"As first lady, Hillary Clinton advocated for the bill, and critics say she bears responsibility for the way it has resulted in a disproportionate number of African Americans and Hispanics being ensnared in the criminal justice system. Mandatory minimum sentences, particularly for nonviolent drug crimes, were disproportionately meted out to black and Hispanic offenders. African Americans and Hispanics also are more likely than white people to be stopped by police"


Sanders voted for it too. Playing on peoples fears of minority crime is always good for cheap votes.

Um, not so fast. Hate to be the one to tell you this, but you're sorely mistaken about Bernie. You should get your facts straight first before attributing racist intent to someone, like Bernie, who has been fighting the good fight for so long.

That bill also included the assault weapons ban act and the in violence against women act which Bernie supported. He did not support the part of the bill which resulted in mass incarceration. Here's what Bernie said regarding this aspect of it:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTn3jUoMdVI[/youtube]

[Floozenheimen]

**** Trump

He speaks to the ignorance of America. A large portion of his campaign is based off racism.

Google the word 'nationalism'

Different than racism.

Ignorance is accepting and trusting in the leadership we've had for many years now. Before Obama and before Bush. Before both Bush's. Ignorance is firmly believing Hilary Clinton is going to help right the ship. Ignorance is believing that socialism is the answer. There are serious, SERIOUS issues at play here, that most Americans are still completely unaware of. Trump may not be an angel, but he is by far the most believable candidate I've ever seen, and at least on the surface, he represents a possible answer to some of the atrocities committed by "the establishment" (I love how that's just a media buzzword now)

Trump is funding his own campaign, speaking out against corporations, special interests, the lying media and lying politicians... and both sides are scared of him and are trying to sabatoge him. That's a red badge of honor for me.

It's funny.... people have been laughing at "conspiracy theorists" for years, and now much of those theories are playing out in plain sight, and you even have globalists like Hilary Clinton admitting that "the economy is rigged" as part of her campaign. It's a joke.

I thought for sure Alex Jones of all people would find a way to say that Trump is some how an Illuminati puppet designed to disrupt or whatever..... but even Alex Jones has thrown his full support behind Trump. Something big is happening here.

When Trump talks about people who come up to him and tell him they've never voted in their lives, but are finally going to vote now.... I'm one of those people.

Socialism is the answer and has been the answer numerous times in our past. It is the system upon which our country became great from the direction of FDR. It was the answer to the ruin that capitalism left our country in after the 20s and has been the main engine behind why our country was great from the 40s through the 70s, then Reagan started in motion the destruction of the middle class, by stealing our money and giving it to the mega wealthy.

Fun factoid - In 1945 the highest tax bracket was 94%, yes that is not a typo. This meant that after $25,000 yearly income (approximately $350,000 in today's money), you earned 6 cents on the dollar. It was over 70% up until Reagan came into office, which has now been reduced to 39%. Corporate Taxes are even worse now than ever before. The average corporation pays a real percentage of under 17% today, whereas in the the pre-Reagan era it was significantly higher. I forget the exact figure, but it's an appalling number.

The increasing gap in wealth in our country is directly related to this phenomena. If you look up a simple chart of the Wages of regular workers to CEOs or the ownership of wealth in America, at this point in time (early 1980s) there is a drastic shift in the control of said wealth. Right now the top two wealthiest families in America have more money that the bottom 40% of Americans. The pipe dream that this is the "American Way" is simply brain washed advertising by the elite whose only objective is to maintain and extend their wealth and power over the rest of us.

Another fun factoid - Average working wages have gone up 1% real money since 1981. CEO wages have gone up over 400% since 1981.


Our country has been systematically overrun in the past 35 years by the mega wealthy who have all but undone The New Deal. The trickle-down economic theory is a failed experiment. It has never worked once in any society in the history of mankind. The demonetization of the government is another byproduct of big business to promote their agenda. The entire system is rigged, both political parties are on board, as politicians are mere puppets for people like the Koch brothers. Fortunately, I believe enough of us are waking up to the reality of our situation and we're starting the good fight our great grandparents once fought. Hopefully history will repeat itself and we take back what's ours and reestablish Keynesian economics, which had once propelled this great country to extraordinary heights.

[nykballa2k4]

Trump is an interesting character. Like a few have mentioned, I'd expect him to tone it down if he made it to the White House. We actually get to see that side of him quite often. The guy is taking full advantage of the anger felt by many in this country though. Is he racist? Nah, I think he's more of a nationalist, but it does come across as racist to many (which is understandable imo.)

In terms of policies, the guy has a long history of being moderate, and even a bit liberal. He's lying when he says he's a conservative...even the people on the right call bs on that.

His business acumen is questionable, and impressive at the same time. He's made a lot of bad decisions, and a lot of good ones. I guess that's the way it goes in that world sometimes, but to trust him to manage this country's finances? It's tough...it could be high risk/high reward.

He has a decent plan for healthcare with the savings account...I'd like to hear a bit more about it though. We know where he stands on immigration, and although his method likely won't work (deporting people and bringing some back) many people are on board with it. If he sticks to that, it will get ugly. I'd be in favor of a wall though...not sure how effective it would even be, but if he could get Mexico to pay for it (highly doubt it) then why not.

Foreign policy wise, he's shown to be in agreement with the left quite a bit. He's mentioned that he's fine with letting Russia take out Isis (which they might not even be doing, since they might just be taking out Syrians who oppose Assad) and that middle eastern countries should step up and defend their region.

His tax plan is pretty fair too...seeing as how he believes those with more money should pay more. Add to that the plan to get money out of politics, and he doesn't really sound like a conservative republican to me.

Would I vote for him though? No. Would I be scared if he became president? Kinda. I would take him over Cruz however.

Btw, Bernie is not a socialist. He has some socialist views, like believing everyone should have free healthcare, and everyone who works 40 or more hours per week should not be living in poverty, and be earning a livable wage.

And that corporations, banks, and the top 1% who cheat this country out of hundreds of billions of dollars in taxes every year, and have needed to be bailed out by us tax payers, should now pay up with a high tax %. ..the right wing has done an incredible job of making average conservative voters believe that they're a part of this group who will be in that 80-90% tax bracket lol.

He also thinks 2yr colleges should be free and universities should be affordable since student loans have been crippling graduates who can't even find jobs.

Those things can be paid for with higher taxes on wallstreet, corporations, and the top 1%. I'd pay more in taxes myself to allow that.

Problem is the balance. You tax corporations, and they move their businesses out of the country, lay people off, and employ non-Americans. You raise the minimum wage and employers have to lay off some workers. On the other hand though, trickle-down economics doesn't always work either. The whole socioeconomic system is screwed.

Reasonable post.
Areas where I tend to disagree: With Trump, we know what his history suggests, but everyone's interpretation is different. You may like trump because he is more moderate, others may vote for him because he sounds conservative, and someone else may vote for him because all they believe is in his liberal side. He lacks consistency and stability. You say "he will tone it down" we really have never seen him be in a conversation where he was not trying to be the alpha male. That's a danger because every bully eventually gets punched in the face, and when Trump gets punched, it will be people of America who ACTUALLY get hit (already quite literally).

Bernie is not a socialist, he defined the term democratic socialist basically because he desires to increase taxes in a noticeable fashion to pay for sweeping budget increase in education. The problem with education is not quite money. The problem is motivation and understanding Education as a means to an end rather than "just a thing we do." Free education, free 2 year schooling and cheaper college may threaten to make schools less challenging by decreasing motivational factors on students. There are better solutions out there than taking money from taxpayers and throwing it at the problem.
And it is completely ridiculous that people can work "full time" jobs (though some companies stop you in the 30's to prevent you from being a FT employee due to complications with Obama-care and over-time laws meant to HELP the employee), and not be able to have a stable and safe roof over their heads. Here, the solution is actually a simple throw-money type solution. Increase taxes, increase law enforcement. Create laws mandating minimum on-duty officer-to-resident/occupant ratio. This actually serves a few benefits:
1) provides full time jobs, possibly to returning veterans
2) with a greater workforce, more diversity may be present thus decreasing risk of unlawful behaviors
3) greater deterrent to crime -- if you know the risk is higher, maybe you think twice
4) increased feeling of safety and security helps well-being of people. Mental health, ability to focus on work/school. Benefits are everywhere.


You hit the nail on the head with the balance and socioeconomic bit. My solution, similar to a tariff, is to phase in a tax overtime on all business, then offering tax breaks based on FT citizen/employees.

The real issue that I wonder about is what the future of jobs will be for people. Service jobs are important, but people frequently do not utilize them. These jobs are only well funded and growing, IMO, because government and insurance is willing to pay for it. Entertainment, medication, and money management are the three avenues for jobs. The problem is that the line between someone worth millions (Mark Berman) and someone worth nada (Moocow007, who is more knowledgeable and charismatic IMO) really is socially constructed. The more access players give directly to fans (similar to Trump's relationship with America) the less important the media/gatekeeper/manipulation system is. People in the media have jobs, make decent money, but people with great blogs make very little.
Other jobs, construction, pluming, hair/nail, massage, etc they don't require college. However, if you don't go to college, the myth is you won't be successful. As technology advances, the role of some of these jobs will decrease. For example, Amazon is using drones for delivery. At some point may the post-office do the same? Those will be jobs lost. At one point, mail was sorted by a person, today I believe there are likely systems which use technology AND human eye. Down the road, this may change as well. Right now, people are paid to vacuum homes, mow lawns. There are machines now which vacuum independently, similar technology may make its way to mowing lawns, taxi drivers/uber may be replaced by self-driving cars. The pool of jobs appears to be decreasing over time. This to me is the scary part of our socio-economics.

[NY2TheBay]

You had to know OP that this thread was just going to go across smoothly, right?

I give it a week tops before this thing gets out of hand.

All I wish for as that we could come together as a country where we can look at one another as fellow americans without judgment of race, religion or sexuality. No president will do this, only we can as the people. We are the movement.

[IllmaticHandler]

While everyone is Focusing on Islam and the middle east.


America is producing these cats at a rapid rate....where should the focus really be.

What are you trying to say?



Mainstream media is doing a good job of ignoring this shooting, had maybe 1 day of 'decent coverage' tops?

What I am saying is that here are biggest Mass shooting (terrorism) in Americas History. Majority of them are white, American and christian. But the Theme of America is Islam is the enemy. Its why I laugh at this ****. The media has Americans believing all kinds of dumb ****. Isis is so much a threat, but actually have zero acts of terrorism in the U.S.

CNN)Here is a list of the 30 deadliest single day mass shootings in U.S. history from 1949 to the present.

If the shooter was killed or committed suicide during the incident that death is not included in the total.

Events:
32 killed - April 16, 2007 - Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia. A gunman, 23-year-old student Seung-Hui Cho, goes on a shooting spree killing 32 people in two locations and wounds an undetermined number of others on campus. The shooter, Seung-Hui Cho then commits suicide.

27 killed - December 14, 2012 - Sandy Hook Elementary School - Newtown, Connecticut. Adam Lanza, 20, guns down 20 children, ages six and seven, and six adults, school staff and faculty, before turning the gun on himself. Investigating police later find Nancy Lanza, Adam's mother, dead from a gunshot wound. The final count is 28 dead, including the shooter.

23 killed - October 16, 1991 - In Killeen, Texas, 35-year-old George Hennard crashes his pickup truck through the wall of a Lubys Cafeteria. After exiting the truck, Hennard shoots and kills 23 people. He then commits suicide.
Mass shootings up; murder rate down

Mass shootings up; murder rate down 02:52

21 killed - July 18, 1984 - In San Ysidro, California, 41-year-old James Huberty, armed with a long-barreled Uzi, a pump-action shotgun and a handgun shoots and kills 21 adults and children at a local McDonalds. A police sharpshooter kills Huberty one hour after the rampage begins.

18 killed - August 1, 1966 - In Austin, Texas, Charles Joseph Whitman, a former U.S. Marine, kills 16 and wounds at least 30 while shooting from a University of Texas tower. Police officers Ramiro Martinez and Houston McCoy shoot and kill Whitman in the tower. Whitman had also killed his mother and wife earlier in the day.

14 killed - December 2, 2015 - Married couple Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik open fire on an employee gathering taking place at Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, killing 14 people.

14 killed - August 20, 1986 - Edmond, Oklahoma, part-time mail carrier, Patrick Henry Sherrill, armed with three handguns kills 14 postal workers in 10 minutes and then takes his own life with a bullet to the head.

13 killed - November 5, 2009 - Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan kills 13 people and injures 32 at Fort Hood, Texas, during a shooting rampage. He is convicted and sentenced to death.

13 killed - April 3, 2009 - In Binghamton, New York, Jiverly Wong kills 13 people and injures four during a shooting at an immigrant community center. He then kills himself.

13 killed - April 20, 1999 - Columbine High School - Littleton, Colorado. 18-year-old Eric Harris and 17-year-old Dylan Klebold kill 12 fellow students and one teacher before committing suicide in the school library.

13 killed - February 18, 1983 - Three men enter the Wah Mee gambling and social club in Seattle, rob the 14 occupants and then shoot each in the head, killing 13. Two of the men, Kwan Fai Mak and Benjamin Ng, are convicted of murder in August 1983. Both are serving life in prison. The third, Wai-Chiu "Tony" Ng, after years on the run in Canada, is eventually convicted of first-degree robbery and second-degree assault. He is deported to Hong Kong in 2014.

13 killed - September 25, 1982 - In Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, 40-year-old George Banks, a prison guard, kills 13 people including five of his own children. In September 2011, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court overturns his death sentence stating that Banks is mentally incompetent.

13 killed - September 5, 1949 - In Camden, New Jersey, 28-year-old Howard Unruh, a veteran of World War II, shoots and kills 13 people as he walks down Camden's 32nd Street. His weapon of choice is a German-crafted Luger pistol. He is found insane and is committed to a state mental institution. He dies at the age of 88.

12 killed - September 16, 2013 - Shots are fired inside the Washington Navy Yard killing 12. The shooter, identified as Aaron Alexis, 34, is also killed.

12 killed - July 20, 2012 - Twelve people are killed and 58 are wounded in a shooting at an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater screening of the new Batman film. James E. Holmes, 24, is taken into custody outside of the movie theater. The gunman, dressed head-to-toe in protective tactical gear, set off two devices of some kind before spraying the theater with bullets from an AR-15 rifle, a 12-gauge shotgun and at least one of two .40-caliber handguns police recovered at the scene.

12 killed - July 29, 1999 - In Atlanta, 44-year-old Mark Barton kills his wife and two children at his home. He then opens fire in two different brokerage houses killing nine people and wounding 12. He later kills himself.

10 killed - March 10, 2009 - In Alabama, Michael McLendon of Kinston, kills 10 and himself. The dead include his mother, grandparents, aunt and uncle.

9 killed - October 1, 2015 - Gunman Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer shoots and kills nine people, injuring another nine, at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon. The shooter dies after a gun battle with police at the college. Six weapons were recovered at the school; another seven were recovered at Harper-Mercer's home.

9 killed - June 17, 2015 - Dylann Roof, 21, shoots and kills nine people inside the historic Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, in Charleston, South Carolina. Eight die at the scene; a ninth dies at a hospital. Roof is arrested the following day; according to police, he confesses and tells investigators he wanted to start a race war.

9 killed - March 21, 2005 - Red Lake High School, Red Lake, Minnesota. 16-year-old Jeff Weise kills his grandfather and another adult, five students, a teacher and a security officer. He then kills himself.

9 killed - August 10, 1991 - Six monks, a nun, a monk in training and a temple worker are found shot to death at Wat Promkunaram, a Buddhist temple in Waddell, Arizona. Johnathan Doody, 17, and Alessandro Garcia, 16, are later convicted of the crime and receive multiple life sentences.

9 killed - June 18, 1990 - In Jacksonville, Florida, 42-year-old James Pough, angry about his car being repossessed, opens fire at a General Motors Acceptance Corp. office, killing nine people. Pough takes his own life.

8 killed - October 12, 2011 - Eight people are killed during a shooting at the Salon Meritage in Seal Beach, California. The suspect, Scott Evans Dekraai, 41, of Huntington Beach, is arrested without incident as he is trying to leave the scene. The eight dead include Dekraai's ex-wife, Michelle Fournier, 48. He was armed with three guns -- a 9 mm Springfield, a Smith & Wesson .44 Magnum, and a Heckler & Koch .45 -- and was wearing body armor during the shooting rampage.

8 killed - August 3, 2010 - Manchester, Connecticut - Omar Thornton kills eight co-workers at Hartford Distributors before turning the gun on himself. Thornton had been asked to resign for stealing and selling alcoholic beverages.

8 killed - January 19, 2010 - Christopher Speight, 39, kills eight people at a house in Appomattox, Virginia. He surrenders to police at the scene the next morning. February 2013, he is sentenced to five life terms plus 18 years.

8 killed - March 29, 2009 - In Carthage, North Carolina, 45-year-old Robert Stewart kills a nurse and seven elderly patients at a nursing home. In May, the Moore County district attorney announces she will seek the death penalty. On September 3, 2011, a jury finds Stewart guilty of second-degree murder. Stewart is sentenced to 141 to 179 years in prison.

8 killed - December 5, 2007 - In Omaha, Nebraska, 19-year-old Robert Hawkins goes to an area mall and kills eight shoppers before killing himself.

8 killed - July 1, 1993 - In San Francisco, 55-year-old Gian Luigi Ferri kills eight people in a law office and then kills himself.

8 killed - September 14, 1989 - In Louisville, Kentucky, 47-year-old Joseph Wesbecker armed with a AK-47 semiautomatic assault rifle, two MAC-11 semiautomatic pistols, a .38 caliber handgun, a 9-millimeter semiautomatic pistol and a bayonet kills eight co-workers at Standard Gravure Corporation and then kills himself. He had been placed on disability leave from his job due to mental problems.

8 killed - August 20, 1982 - In Miami, 51-year-old history teacher Carl Robert Brown, angry about a repair bill and armed with a shotgun, kills eight people at a machine shop. He flees by bicycle, but is shot in the back by a witness who pursued him. He was on leave from school for psychological treatment.

[br7knicks]

let me preface this by saying that i am NOT a trump supporter, and pray to God he does not win.


but what you said is true. it's not like he'll be able to nuke any country he wants, whenever he feels like it. he will be limited in his actions. i just don't trust the man at all, and feel he would most certainly hurt some foreign relationships. however, he is very smart, and may even surprise us in his ability to woe many other diplomats/leaders/etc.

still don't want him to win though. i will not be voting if it's between he and hillary; sanders versus kasich i will consider voting.

i've had debates with my father over this. i still think trump is going to win the GOP nomination, then purposefully throw the campaign to let hillary take over. trump and clintons are butt-buddies

[Riot Randolph]

let me preface this by saying that i am NOT a trump supporter, and pray to God he does not win.


but what you said is true. it's not like he'll be able to nuke any country he wants, whenever he feels like it. he will be limited in his actions. i just don't trust the man at all, and feel he would most certainly hurt some foreign relationships. however, he is very smart, and may even surprise us in his ability to woe many other diplomats/leaders/etc.

still don't want him to win though. i will not be voting if it's between he and hillary; sanders versus kasich i will consider voting.

i've had debates with my father over this. i still think trump is going to win the GOP nomination, then purposefully throw the campaign to let hillary take over. trump and clintons are butt-buddies

see I too previously thought that but trump is throwing ALOT of shade at the Clinton camp...

[IllmaticHandler]

Americas hatred is the same reason why people believe this is a genuine moment photo, and that Bin Laden was really on the run on for a decade, and was finally 'killed' in 2011 by Navy Seals. The best scripts are not written in Hollywood. They are written in D.C.

[Isiahthomass]

While everyone is Focusing on Islam and the middle east.


America is producing these cats at a rapid rate....where should the focus really be.

What are you trying to say?



Mainstream media is doing a good job of ignoring this shooting, had maybe 1 day of 'decent coverage' tops?

What I am saying is that here are biggest Mass shooting (terrorism) in Americas History. Majority of them are white, American and christian. But the Theme of America is Islam is the enemy. Its why I laugh at this ****. The media has Americans believing all kinds of dumb ****. Isis is so much a threat, but actually have zero acts of terrorism in the U.S.

CNN)Here is a list of the 30 deadliest single day mass shootings in U.S. history from 1949 to the present.

If the shooter was killed or committed suicide during the incident that death is not included in the total.

Events:
32 killed - April 16, 2007 - Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia. A gunman, 23-year-old student Seung-Hui Cho, goes on a shooting spree killing 32 people in two locations and wounds an undetermined number of others on campus. The shooter, Seung-Hui Cho then commits suicide.

27 killed - December 14, 2012 - Sandy Hook Elementary School - Newtown, Connecticut. Adam Lanza, 20, guns down 20 children, ages six and seven, and six adults, school staff and faculty, before turning the gun on himself. Investigating police later find Nancy Lanza, Adam's mother, dead from a gunshot wound. The final count is 28 dead, including the shooter.

23 killed - October 16, 1991 - In Killeen, Texas, 35-year-old George Hennard crashes his pickup truck through the wall of a Lubys Cafeteria. After exiting the truck, Hennard shoots and kills 23 people. He then commits suicide.
Mass shootings up; murder rate down

Mass shootings up; murder rate down 02:52

21 killed - July 18, 1984 - In San Ysidro, California, 41-year-old James Huberty, armed with a long-barreled Uzi, a pump-action shotgun and a handgun shoots and kills 21 adults and children at a local McDonalds. A police sharpshooter kills Huberty one hour after the rampage begins.

18 killed - August 1, 1966 - In Austin, Texas, Charles Joseph Whitman, a former U.S. Marine, kills 16 and wounds at least 30 while shooting from a University of Texas tower. Police officers Ramiro Martinez and Houston McCoy shoot and kill Whitman in the tower. Whitman had also killed his mother and wife earlier in the day.

14 killed - December 2, 2015 - Married couple Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik open fire on an employee gathering taking place at Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, killing 14 people.

14 killed - August 20, 1986 - Edmond, Oklahoma, part-time mail carrier, Patrick Henry Sherrill, armed with three handguns kills 14 postal workers in 10 minutes and then takes his own life with a bullet to the head.

13 killed - November 5, 2009 - Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan kills 13 people and injures 32 at Fort Hood, Texas, during a shooting rampage. He is convicted and sentenced to death.

13 killed - April 3, 2009 - In Binghamton, New York, Jiverly Wong kills 13 people and injures four during a shooting at an immigrant community center. He then kills himself.

13 killed - April 20, 1999 - Columbine High School - Littleton, Colorado. 18-year-old Eric Harris and 17-year-old Dylan Klebold kill 12 fellow students and one teacher before committing suicide in the school library.

13 killed - February 18, 1983 - Three men enter the Wah Mee gambling and social club in Seattle, rob the 14 occupants and then shoot each in the head, killing 13. Two of the men, Kwan Fai Mak and Benjamin Ng, are convicted of murder in August 1983. Both are serving life in prison. The third, Wai-Chiu "Tony" Ng, after years on the run in Canada, is eventually convicted of first-degree robbery and second-degree assault. He is deported to Hong Kong in 2014.

13 killed - September 25, 1982 - In Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, 40-year-old George Banks, a prison guard, kills 13 people including five of his own children. In September 2011, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court overturns his death sentence stating that Banks is mentally incompetent.

13 killed - September 5, 1949 - In Camden, New Jersey, 28-year-old Howard Unruh, a veteran of World War II, shoots and kills 13 people as he walks down Camden's 32nd Street. His weapon of choice is a German-crafted Luger pistol. He is found insane and is committed to a state mental institution. He dies at the age of 88.

12 killed - September 16, 2013 - Shots are fired inside the Washington Navy Yard killing 12. The shooter, identified as Aaron Alexis, 34, is also killed.

12 killed - July 20, 2012 - Twelve people are killed and 58 are wounded in a shooting at an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater screening of the new Batman film. James E. Holmes, 24, is taken into custody outside of the movie theater. The gunman, dressed head-to-toe in protective tactical gear, set off two devices of some kind before spraying the theater with bullets from an AR-15 rifle, a 12-gauge shotgun and at least one of two .40-caliber handguns police recovered at the scene.

12 killed - July 29, 1999 - In Atlanta, 44-year-old Mark Barton kills his wife and two children at his home. He then opens fire in two different brokerage houses killing nine people and wounding 12. He later kills himself.

10 killed - March 10, 2009 - In Alabama, Michael McLendon of Kinston, kills 10 and himself. The dead include his mother, grandparents, aunt and uncle.

9 killed - October 1, 2015 - Gunman Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer shoots and kills nine people, injuring another nine, at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon. The shooter dies after a gun battle with police at the college. Six weapons were recovered at the school; another seven were recovered at Harper-Mercer's home.

9 killed - June 17, 2015 - Dylann Roof, 21, shoots and kills nine people inside the historic Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, in Charleston, South Carolina. Eight die at the scene; a ninth dies at a hospital. Roof is arrested the following day; according to police, he confesses and tells investigators he wanted to start a race war.

9 killed - March 21, 2005 - Red Lake High School, Red Lake, Minnesota. 16-year-old Jeff Weise kills his grandfather and another adult, five students, a teacher and a security officer. He then kills himself.

9 killed - August 10, 1991 - Six monks, a nun, a monk in training and a temple worker are found shot to death at Wat Promkunaram, a Buddhist temple in Waddell, Arizona. Johnathan Doody, 17, and Alessandro Garcia, 16, are later convicted of the crime and receive multiple life sentences.

9 killed - June 18, 1990 - In Jacksonville, Florida, 42-year-old James Pough, angry about his car being repossessed, opens fire at a General Motors Acceptance Corp. office, killing nine people. Pough takes his own life.

8 killed - October 12, 2011 - Eight people are killed during a shooting at the Salon Meritage in Seal Beach, California. The suspect, Scott Evans Dekraai, 41, of Huntington Beach, is arrested without incident as he is trying to leave the scene. The eight dead include Dekraai's ex-wife, Michelle Fournier, 48. He was armed with three guns -- a 9 mm Springfield, a Smith & Wesson .44 Magnum, and a Heckler & Koch .45 -- and was wearing body armor during the shooting rampage.

8 killed - August 3, 2010 - Manchester, Connecticut - Omar Thornton kills eight co-workers at Hartford Distributors before turning the gun on himself. Thornton had been asked to resign for stealing and selling alcoholic beverages.

8 killed - January 19, 2010 - Christopher Speight, 39, kills eight people at a house in Appomattox, Virginia. He surrenders to police at the scene the next morning. February 2013, he is sentenced to five life terms plus 18 years.

8 killed - March 29, 2009 - In Carthage, North Carolina, 45-year-old Robert Stewart kills a nurse and seven elderly patients at a nursing home. In May, the Moore County district attorney announces she will seek the death penalty. On September 3, 2011, a jury finds Stewart guilty of second-degree murder. Stewart is sentenced to 141 to 179 years in prison.

8 killed - December 5, 2007 - In Omaha, Nebraska, 19-year-old Robert Hawkins goes to an area mall and kills eight shoppers before killing himself.

8 killed - July 1, 1993 - In San Francisco, 55-year-old Gian Luigi Ferri kills eight people in a law office and then kills himself.

8 killed - September 14, 1989 - In Louisville, Kentucky, 47-year-old Joseph Wesbecker armed with a AK-47 semiautomatic assault rifle, two MAC-11 semiautomatic pistols, a .38 caliber handgun, a 9-millimeter semiautomatic pistol and a bayonet kills eight co-workers at Standard Gravure Corporation and then kills himself. He had been placed on disability leave from his job due to mental problems.

8 killed - August 20, 1982 - In Miami, 51-year-old history teacher Carl Robert Brown, angry about a repair bill and armed with a shotgun, kills eight people at a machine shop. He flees by bicycle, but is shot in the back by a witness who pursued him. He was on leave from school for psychological treatment.

Whether its mass shooting, planes flying into buildings, fertilizer bombs in front of federal buildings or lots of individual murders done by whites, blacks, hispanics, muslims etc, murder is murder. Your post is the one that comes across as xenophobic. The real enemy of America is the hypocrisy, bigotry and hate that many say they abhor, but then go on and practice.

[el13adnino]

trump will win and get revoted in 4 years later. and you'll like it

[Isiahthomass]

While everyone is Focusing on Islam and the middle east.


America is producing these cats at a rapid rate....where should the focus really be.

What are you trying to say?



Mainstream media is doing a good job of ignoring this shooting, had maybe 1 day of 'decent coverage' tops?

What I am saying is that here are biggest Mass shooting (terrorism) in Americas History. Majority of them are white, American and christian. But the Theme of America is Islam is the enemy. Its why I laugh at this ****. The media has Americans believing all kinds of dumb ****. Isis is so much a threat, but actually have zero acts of terrorism in the U.S.

CNN)Here is a list of the 30 deadliest single day mass shootings in U.S. history from 1949 to the present.

If the shooter was killed or committed suicide during the incident that death is not included in the total.

Events:
32 killed - April 16, 2007 - Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia. A gunman, 23-year-old student Seung-Hui Cho, goes on a shooting spree killing 32 people in two locations and wounds an undetermined number of others on campus. The shooter, Seung-Hui Cho then commits suicide.

27 killed - December 14, 2012 - Sandy Hook Elementary School - Newtown, Connecticut. Adam Lanza, 20, guns down 20 children, ages six and seven, and six adults, school staff and faculty, before turning the gun on himself. Investigating police later find Nancy Lanza, Adam's mother, dead from a gunshot wound. The final count is 28 dead, including the shooter.

23 killed - October 16, 1991 - In Killeen, Texas, 35-year-old George Hennard crashes his pickup truck through the wall of a Lubys Cafeteria. After exiting the truck, Hennard shoots and kills 23 people. He then commits suicide.
Mass shootings up; murder rate down

Mass shootings up; murder rate down 02:52

21 killed - July 18, 1984 - In San Ysidro, California, 41-year-old James Huberty, armed with a long-barreled Uzi, a pump-action shotgun and a handgun shoots and kills 21 adults and children at a local McDonalds. A police sharpshooter kills Huberty one hour after the rampage begins.

18 killed - August 1, 1966 - In Austin, Texas, Charles Joseph Whitman, a former U.S. Marine, kills 16 and wounds at least 30 while shooting from a University of Texas tower. Police officers Ramiro Martinez and Houston McCoy shoot and kill Whitman in the tower. Whitman had also killed his mother and wife earlier in the day.

14 killed - December 2, 2015 - Married couple Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik open fire on an employee gathering taking place at Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, killing 14 people.

14 killed - August 20, 1986 - Edmond, Oklahoma, part-time mail carrier, Patrick Henry Sherrill, armed with three handguns kills 14 postal workers in 10 minutes and then takes his own life with a bullet to the head.

13 killed - November 5, 2009 - Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan kills 13 people and injures 32 at Fort Hood, Texas, during a shooting rampage. He is convicted and sentenced to death.

13 killed - April 3, 2009 - In Binghamton, New York, Jiverly Wong kills 13 people and injures four during a shooting at an immigrant community center. He then kills himself.

13 killed - April 20, 1999 - Columbine High School - Littleton, Colorado. 18-year-old Eric Harris and 17-year-old Dylan Klebold kill 12 fellow students and one teacher before committing suicide in the school library.

13 killed - February 18, 1983 - Three men enter the Wah Mee gambling and social club in Seattle, rob the 14 occupants and then shoot each in the head, killing 13. Two of the men, Kwan Fai Mak and Benjamin Ng, are convicted of murder in August 1983. Both are serving life in prison. The third, Wai-Chiu "Tony" Ng, after years on the run in Canada, is eventually convicted of first-degree robbery and second-degree assault. He is deported to Hong Kong in 2014.

13 killed - September 25, 1982 - In Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, 40-year-old George Banks, a prison guard, kills 13 people including five of his own children. In September 2011, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court overturns his death sentence stating that Banks is mentally incompetent.

13 killed - September 5, 1949 - In Camden, New Jersey, 28-year-old Howard Unruh, a veteran of World War II, shoots and kills 13 people as he walks down Camden's 32nd Street. His weapon of choice is a German-crafted Luger pistol. He is found insane and is committed to a state mental institution. He dies at the age of 88.

12 killed - September 16, 2013 - Shots are fired inside the Washington Navy Yard killing 12. The shooter, identified as Aaron Alexis, 34, is also killed.

12 killed - July 20, 2012 - Twelve people are killed and 58 are wounded in a shooting at an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater screening of the new Batman film. James E. Holmes, 24, is taken into custody outside of the movie theater. The gunman, dressed head-to-toe in protective tactical gear, set off two devices of some kind before spraying the theater with bullets from an AR-15 rifle, a 12-gauge shotgun and at least one of two .40-caliber handguns police recovered at the scene.

12 killed - July 29, 1999 - In Atlanta, 44-year-old Mark Barton kills his wife and two children at his home. He then opens fire in two different brokerage houses killing nine people and wounding 12. He later kills himself.

10 killed - March 10, 2009 - In Alabama, Michael McLendon of Kinston, kills 10 and himself. The dead include his mother, grandparents, aunt and uncle.

9 killed - October 1, 2015 - Gunman Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer shoots and kills nine people, injuring another nine, at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon. The shooter dies after a gun battle with police at the college. Six weapons were recovered at the school; another seven were recovered at Harper-Mercer's home.

9 killed - June 17, 2015 - Dylann Roof, 21, shoots and kills nine people inside the historic Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, in Charleston, South Carolina. Eight die at the scene; a ninth dies at a hospital. Roof is arrested the following day; according to police, he confesses and tells investigators he wanted to start a race war.

9 killed - March 21, 2005 - Red Lake High School, Red Lake, Minnesota. 16-year-old Jeff Weise kills his grandfather and another adult, five students, a teacher and a security officer. He then kills himself.

9 killed - August 10, 1991 - Six monks, a nun, a monk in training and a temple worker are found shot to death at Wat Promkunaram, a Buddhist temple in Waddell, Arizona. Johnathan Doody, 17, and Alessandro Garcia, 16, are later convicted of the crime and receive multiple life sentences.

9 killed - June 18, 1990 - In Jacksonville, Florida, 42-year-old James Pough, angry about his car being repossessed, opens fire at a General Motors Acceptance Corp. office, killing nine people. Pough takes his own life.

8 killed - October 12, 2011 - Eight people are killed during a shooting at the Salon Meritage in Seal Beach, California. The suspect, Scott Evans Dekraai, 41, of Huntington Beach, is arrested without incident as he is trying to leave the scene. The eight dead include Dekraai's ex-wife, Michelle Fournier, 48. He was armed with three guns -- a 9 mm Springfield, a Smith & Wesson .44 Magnum, and a Heckler & Koch .45 -- and was wearing body armor during the shooting rampage.

8 killed - August 3, 2010 - Manchester, Connecticut - Omar Thornton kills eight co-workers at Hartford Distributors before turning the gun on himself. Thornton had been asked to resign for stealing and selling alcoholic beverages.

8 killed - January 19, 2010 - Christopher Speight, 39, kills eight people at a house in Appomattox, Virginia. He surrenders to police at the scene the next morning. February 2013, he is sentenced to five life terms plus 18 years.

8 killed - March 29, 2009 - In Carthage, North Carolina, 45-year-old Robert Stewart kills a nurse and seven elderly patients at a nursing home. In May, the Moore County district attorney announces she will seek the death penalty. On September 3, 2011, a jury finds Stewart guilty of second-degree murder. Stewart is sentenced to 141 to 179 years in prison.

8 killed - December 5, 2007 - In Omaha, Nebraska, 19-year-old Robert Hawkins goes to an area mall and kills eight shoppers before killing himself.

8 killed - July 1, 1993 - In San Francisco, 55-year-old Gian Luigi Ferri kills eight people in a law office and then kills himself.

8 killed - September 14, 1989 - In Louisville, Kentucky, 47-year-old Joseph Wesbecker armed with a AK-47 semiautomatic assault rifle, two MAC-11 semiautomatic pistols, a .38 caliber handgun, a 9-millimeter semiautomatic pistol and a bayonet kills eight co-workers at Standard Gravure Corporation and then kills himself. He had been placed on disability leave from his job due to mental problems.

8 killed - August 20, 1982 - In Miami, 51-year-old history teacher Carl Robert Brown, angry about a repair bill and armed with a shotgun, kills eight people at a machine shop. He flees by bicycle, but is shot in the back by a witness who pursued him. He was on leave from school for psychological treatment.

Whether its mass shooting, planes flying into buildings, fertilizer bombs in front of federal buildings or lots of individual murders done by whites, blacks, hispanics, muslims etc, murder is murder. Your post is the one that comes across as xenophobic. The real enemy of America is the hypocrisy, bigotry and hate that many say they abhor, but then go on and practice.

[IllmaticHandler]

What are you trying to say?



Mainstream media is doing a good job of ignoring this shooting, had maybe 1 day of 'decent coverage' tops?

What I am saying is that here are biggest Mass shooting (terrorism) in Americas History. Majority of them are white, American and christian. But the Theme of America is Islam is the enemy. Its why I laugh at this ****. The media has Americans believing all kinds of dumb ****. Isis is so much a threat, but actually have zero acts of terrorism in the U.S.

CNN)Here is a list of the 30 deadliest single day mass shootings in U.S. history from 1949 to the present.

If the shooter was killed or committed suicide during the incident that death is not included in the total.

Events:
32 killed - April 16, 2007 - Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia. A gunman, 23-year-old student Seung-Hui Cho, goes on a shooting spree killing 32 people in two locations and wounds an undetermined number of others on campus. The shooter, Seung-Hui Cho then commits suicide.

27 killed - December 14, 2012 - Sandy Hook Elementary School - Newtown, Connecticut. Adam Lanza, 20, guns down 20 children, ages six and seven, and six adults, school staff and faculty, before turning the gun on himself. Investigating police later find Nancy Lanza, Adam's mother, dead from a gunshot wound. The final count is 28 dead, including the shooter.

23 killed - October 16, 1991 - In Killeen, Texas, 35-year-old George Hennard crashes his pickup truck through the wall of a Lubys Cafeteria. After exiting the truck, Hennard shoots and kills 23 people. He then commits suicide.
Mass shootings up; murder rate down

Mass shootings up; murder rate down 02:52

21 killed - July 18, 1984 - In San Ysidro, California, 41-year-old James Huberty, armed with a long-barreled Uzi, a pump-action shotgun and a handgun shoots and kills 21 adults and children at a local McDonalds. A police sharpshooter kills Huberty one hour after the rampage begins.

18 killed - August 1, 1966 - In Austin, Texas, Charles Joseph Whitman, a former U.S. Marine, kills 16 and wounds at least 30 while shooting from a University of Texas tower. Police officers Ramiro Martinez and Houston McCoy shoot and kill Whitman in the tower. Whitman had also killed his mother and wife earlier in the day.

14 killed - December 2, 2015 - Married couple Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik open fire on an employee gathering taking place at Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, killing 14 people.

14 killed - August 20, 1986 - Edmond, Oklahoma, part-time mail carrier, Patrick Henry Sherrill, armed with three handguns kills 14 postal workers in 10 minutes and then takes his own life with a bullet to the head.

13 killed - November 5, 2009 - Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan kills 13 people and injures 32 at Fort Hood, Texas, during a shooting rampage. He is convicted and sentenced to death.

13 killed - April 3, 2009 - In Binghamton, New York, Jiverly Wong kills 13 people and injures four during a shooting at an immigrant community center. He then kills himself.

13 killed - April 20, 1999 - Columbine High School - Littleton, Colorado. 18-year-old Eric Harris and 17-year-old Dylan Klebold kill 12 fellow students and one teacher before committing suicide in the school library.

13 killed - February 18, 1983 - Three men enter the Wah Mee gambling and social club in Seattle, rob the 14 occupants and then shoot each in the head, killing 13. Two of the men, Kwan Fai Mak and Benjamin Ng, are convicted of murder in August 1983. Both are serving life in prison. The third, Wai-Chiu "Tony" Ng, after years on the run in Canada, is eventually convicted of first-degree robbery and second-degree assault. He is deported to Hong Kong in 2014.

13 killed - September 25, 1982 - In Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, 40-year-old George Banks, a prison guard, kills 13 people including five of his own children. In September 2011, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court overturns his death sentence stating that Banks is mentally incompetent.

13 killed - September 5, 1949 - In Camden, New Jersey, 28-year-old Howard Unruh, a veteran of World War II, shoots and kills 13 people as he walks down Camden's 32nd Street. His weapon of choice is a German-crafted Luger pistol. He is found insane and is committed to a state mental institution. He dies at the age of 88.

12 killed - September 16, 2013 - Shots are fired inside the Washington Navy Yard killing 12. The shooter, identified as Aaron Alexis, 34, is also killed.

12 killed - July 20, 2012 - Twelve people are killed and 58 are wounded in a shooting at an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater screening of the new Batman film. James E. Holmes, 24, is taken into custody outside of the movie theater. The gunman, dressed head-to-toe in protective tactical gear, set off two devices of some kind before spraying the theater with bullets from an AR-15 rifle, a 12-gauge shotgun and at least one of two .40-caliber handguns police recovered at the scene.

12 killed - July 29, 1999 - In Atlanta, 44-year-old Mark Barton kills his wife and two children at his home. He then opens fire in two different brokerage houses killing nine people and wounding 12. He later kills himself.

10 killed - March 10, 2009 - In Alabama, Michael McLendon of Kinston, kills 10 and himself. The dead include his mother, grandparents, aunt and uncle.

9 killed - October 1, 2015 - Gunman Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer shoots and kills nine people, injuring another nine, at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon. The shooter dies after a gun battle with police at the college. Six weapons were recovered at the school; another seven were recovered at Harper-Mercer's home.

9 killed - June 17, 2015 - Dylann Roof, 21, shoots and kills nine people inside the historic Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, in Charleston, South Carolina. Eight die at the scene; a ninth dies at a hospital. Roof is arrested the following day; according to police, he confesses and tells investigators he wanted to start a race war.

9 killed - March 21, 2005 - Red Lake High School, Red Lake, Minnesota. 16-year-old Jeff Weise kills his grandfather and another adult, five students, a teacher and a security officer. He then kills himself.

9 killed - August 10, 1991 - Six monks, a nun, a monk in training and a temple worker are found shot to death at Wat Promkunaram, a Buddhist temple in Waddell, Arizona. Johnathan Doody, 17, and Alessandro Garcia, 16, are later convicted of the crime and receive multiple life sentences.

9 killed - June 18, 1990 - In Jacksonville, Florida, 42-year-old James Pough, angry about his car being repossessed, opens fire at a General Motors Acceptance Corp. office, killing nine people. Pough takes his own life.

8 killed - October 12, 2011 - Eight people are killed during a shooting at the Salon Meritage in Seal Beach, California. The suspect, Scott Evans Dekraai, 41, of Huntington Beach, is arrested without incident as he is trying to leave the scene. The eight dead include Dekraai's ex-wife, Michelle Fournier, 48. He was armed with three guns -- a 9 mm Springfield, a Smith & Wesson .44 Magnum, and a Heckler & Koch .45 -- and was wearing body armor during the shooting rampage.

8 killed - August 3, 2010 - Manchester, Connecticut - Omar Thornton kills eight co-workers at Hartford Distributors before turning the gun on himself. Thornton had been asked to resign for stealing and selling alcoholic beverages.

8 killed - January 19, 2010 - Christopher Speight, 39, kills eight people at a house in Appomattox, Virginia. He surrenders to police at the scene the next morning. February 2013, he is sentenced to five life terms plus 18 years.

8 killed - March 29, 2009 - In Carthage, North Carolina, 45-year-old Robert Stewart kills a nurse and seven elderly patients at a nursing home. In May, the Moore County district attorney announces she will seek the death penalty. On September 3, 2011, a jury finds Stewart guilty of second-degree murder. Stewart is sentenced to 141 to 179 years in prison.

8 killed - December 5, 2007 - In Omaha, Nebraska, 19-year-old Robert Hawkins goes to an area mall and kills eight shoppers before killing himself.

8 killed - July 1, 1993 - In San Francisco, 55-year-old Gian Luigi Ferri kills eight people in a law office and then kills himself.

8 killed - September 14, 1989 - In Louisville, Kentucky, 47-year-old Joseph Wesbecker armed with a AK-47 semiautomatic assault rifle, two MAC-11 semiautomatic pistols, a .38 caliber handgun, a 9-millimeter semiautomatic pistol and a bayonet kills eight co-workers at Standard Gravure Corporation and then kills himself. He had been placed on disability leave from his job due to mental problems.

8 killed - August 20, 1982 - In Miami, 51-year-old history teacher Carl Robert Brown, angry about a repair bill and armed with a shotgun, kills eight people at a machine shop. He flees by bicycle, but is shot in the back by a witness who pursued him. He was on leave from school for psychological treatment.

Whether its mass shooting, planes flying into buildings, fertilizer bombs in front of federal buildings or lots of individual murders done by whites, blacks, hispanics, muslims etc, murder is murder. Your post is the one that comes across as xenophobic. The real enemy of America is the hypocrisy, bigotry and hate that many say they abhor, but then go on and practice.

No the theme of the post is about I don't fall for fake Narratives. Islam is not Americas biggest problem or enemy. America is Americas biggest Problem, and biggest enemy.

[E-Balla]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/12/1994-crime-bill-haunts-clinton-and-sanders-as-criminal-justice-reform-rises-to-top-in-democratic-contest/?tid=a_inl

"As first lady, Hillary Clinton advocated for the bill, and critics say she bears responsibility for the way it has resulted in a disproportionate number of African Americans and Hispanics being ensnared in the criminal justice system. Mandatory minimum sentences, particularly for nonviolent drug crimes, were disproportionately meted out to black and Hispanic offenders. African Americans and Hispanics also are more likely than white people to be stopped by police"


Sanders voted for it too. Playing on peoples fears of minority crime is always good for cheap votes.

Um, not so fast. Hate to be the one to tell you this, but you're sorely mistaken about Bernie. You should get your facts straight first before attributing racist intent to someone, like Bernie, who has been fighting the good fight for so long.

That bill also included the assault weapons ban act and the in violence against women act which Bernie supported. He did not support the part of the bill which resulted in mass incarceration. Here' what Bernie said regarding this aspect of it:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTn3jUoMdVI[/youtube]

Lip service means nothing. Bernie also voted to keep police militarized just a few years later, later voted to increase gun sentencing, and had a whole section of his website dedicated to how hard he was on crime. I don't really care that he acknowledged the bill would do a ton of damage to society if he still supported it. I could say how bad killing people is as I'm squeezing triggers but that doesn't begin to excuse my actions. I'd prefer if he just came out and said he didn't think the bill was bad at the time (as Hillary and Bill have) instead of actually defending his support of a bad bill.

[br7knicks]

let me preface this by saying that i am NOT a trump supporter, and pray to God he does not win.


but what you said is true. it's not like he'll be able to nuke any country he wants, whenever he feels like it. he will be limited in his actions. i just don't trust the man at all, and feel he would most certainly hurt some foreign relationships. however, he is very smart, and may even surprise us in his ability to woe many other diplomats/leaders/etc.

still don't want him to win though. i will not be voting if it's between he and hillary; sanders versus kasich i will consider voting.

i've had debates with my father over this. i still think trump is going to win the GOP nomination, then purposefully throw the campaign to let hillary take over. trump and clintons are butt-buddies

see I too previously thought that but trump is throwing ALOT of shade at the Clinton camp...

he is. but what's to keep him once he does get the GOP nod? I just don't like/trust him