Justin Holiday to Knicks - who he?

cayuck · Post #121 » by **cayuck** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:52 am

I really like what I've seen of Justin Holiday so far. I'm also impressed that Hornacek rewarded his good play with some 4th quarter minutes in the win over Memphis. His length and quickness are well used on the defensive end and he has a nice smooth shot when he catches in rhythm on offense. He plays much more under control than Jennings and I think Holiday could be the real key to this bench unit. Jennings will be hot and cold all season, Lance and KO are all inconsistent at best, but if Holiday can show up and give legit minutes providing a little scoring and tough D off the bench every night it could be one of the small things that let's us turn the corner.

Post #122 » by **moocow007** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:47 am

cayuck wrote:I really like what I've seen of Justin Holiday so far. I'm also impressed that Hornacek rewarded his good play with some 4th quarter minutes in the win over Memphis. His length and quickness are well used on the defensive end and he has a nice smooth shot when he catches in rhythm on offense. He plays much more under control than Jennings and I think Holiday could be the real key to this bench unit. Jennings will be hot and cold all season, Lance and KO are all inconsistent at best, but if Holiday can show up and give legit minutes providing a little scoring and tough D off the bench every night it could be one of the small things that let's us turn the corner.

He's looking better, but Holiday still looks like he's trying to get his sea legs from my point of view. Still a little bit wobbly and with a little bit of that deer in the headlights look in his eyes. He should (hopefully) be able to get over it in short order. The next game will likely be a much bigger test for him as he'll have to go up against better wings than what he faced against the Grizzlies with respect to KCP and Stanley Johnson.

Post #123 » by **dakomish23** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:14 am

The DRose deal looks better and better for us.

I think most knew RoLo was going to do well for them. We saw firsthand how good he actually was. But dumping Ole Failderon and the cap space that provided, plus Holiday plus pick is looking pretty solid.

I'm not enamored with DRose or am filling myself into believing he could ever be something resembling his 2010-11 year. But there are layers to this deal that keep coming out as wins in my book.

This is far from the "typical" Knicks move of the 2000's of trading for a past his prime star. It won't ever be reported that way, but I think people who follow the franchise see it.

MaseInYourFace · Post #124 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:21 am

Don't get too ahead of yourselves on Holiday. It's a long season and he's been a marginal nba player up to this point for a reason. This board has a serious tendency to overhype dudes after a few games just like many of you also do opposite and put dudes in the doghouse after a few bad games. But yes he's been productive up to this point.

Post #125 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:03 pm

dakomish23 wrote:The DRose deal looks better and better for us.

I think most knew RoLo was going to do well for them. We saw firsthand how good he actually was. But dumping Ole Failderon and the cap space that provided, plus Holiday plus pick is looking pretty solid.

I'm not enamored with DRose or am filling myself into believing he could ever be something resembling his 2010-11 year. But there are layers to this deal that keep coming out as wins in my book.

This is far from the "typical" Knicks move of the 2000's of trading for a past his prime star. It won't ever be reported that way, but I think people who follow the franchise see it.

this. still don't know why anyone is mad at that move. it cleared space, brought in assets, and gave us a no-risk chance at at least a good lead guard.

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #126 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:47 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:Don't get too ahead of yourselves on Holiday. It's a long season and he's been a marginal nba player up to this point for a reason. This board has a serious tendency to overhype dudes after a few games just like many of you also do opposite and put dudes in the doghouse after a few bad games. But yes he's been productive up to this point.

Who in this thread is overhyping him? He has been productive for us but he has also impressed the fanbases for the other teams on which he has played as well, including Chicago. They weren't very happy giving him up as part of the deal and, this isn't an overstatement, he's better than Jerian Grant.

Post #127 » by **King of Canada** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:54 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:The DRose deal looks better and better for us.

I think most knew RoLo was going to do well for them. We saw firsthand how good he actually was. But dumping Ole Failderon and the cap space that provided, plus Holiday plus pick is looking pretty solid.

I'm not enamored with DRose or am filling myself into believing he could ever be something resembling his 2010-11 year. But there are layers to this deal that keep coming out as wins in my book.

This is far from the "typical" Knicks move of the 2000's of trading for a past his prime star. It won't ever be reported that way, but I think people who follow the franchise see it.

this. still don't know why anyone is mad at that move. it cleared space, brought in assets, and gave us a no-risk chance at at least a good lead guard.

As long as Rose stays healthy, having him on the roster is an improvement over what we gave up. There are no expectations to be an MVP again. Just go to the hoop and run the floor and he's something we didn't have last year.

Knicksfan1992 · Post #128 » by **Knicksfan1992** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:07 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:Don't get too ahead of yourselves on Holiday. It's a long season and he's been a marginal nba player up to this point for a reason. This board has a serious tendency to overhype dudes after a few games just like many of you also do opposite and put dudes in the doghouse after a few bad games. But yes he's been productive up to this point.

Yeah you're not wrong but, it's clear the dude has qualities that will make him be a rotation player at this level. He's got great perimeter defense. He really locks down his spot. That's so huge to have off the bench at the NBA level and that skill isn't going anywhere. If his jumper is for real and it's not just a hot streak than we found a solid rotation wing for the next few years.

Post #129 » by **dakomish23** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:23 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:The Knicks seem to have a track record of getting the wrong members of basketball families. Timmy not his dad, Grant not his uncle, Thanasis not his brother. Lol, I hope Holiday breaks that mold.

We got the right Ewing!

Does having both Smith brothers count as a win or a loss?

You forgot the Wilkins we had

Post #130 » by **dakomish23** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:27 pm

Worst_to_First wrote:Hope Justin Holiday could be that Khris Middleton type of wing that I had always wanted for us.

That would make this deal a resounding success no matter what happens worth DRose.

I don't see it happening, but that would be such a gigantic W

Greenie · Post #131 » by **Greenie** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:29 pm

Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:Don't get too ahead of yourselves on Holiday. It's a long season and he's been a marginal nba player up to this point for a reason. This board has a serious tendency to overhype dudes after a few games just like many of you also do opposite and put dudes in the doghouse after a few bad games. But yes he's been productive up to this point.

Who in this thread is overhyping him? He has been productive for us but he has also impressed the fanbases for the other teams on which he has played as well, including Chicago. They weren't very happy giving him up as part of the deal and, this isn't an overstatement, he's better than Jerian Grant.

2 games. Holiday is a role player that has bounced around for a reason. Lance Thomas is in the same boat.

People were happy as fuq trading Timmy for Grant last year. How does that look now? Timmy looks like the better player after a year.

We hype and bash players too fast around these parts and it leads to non-sense.

Greenie · Post #132 » by **Greenie** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:32 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
Worst_to_First wrote:Hope Justin Holiday could be that Khris Middleton type of wing that I had always wanted for us.

That would make this deal a resounding success no matter what happens worth DRose.

I don't see it happening, but that would be such a gigantic W

This right here...

Middleton is a borderline allstar type player. You don't place Holiday in that category.

This that bullsh*t

HEZI · Post #133 » by **HEZI** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:54 pm

Holiday is a very nice role player who could be a starter in the league

He's like the OKC version of Thabo Sefolosha

He's a Gregg Popovich type of player in that he is coachable, understands his role, defensive minded, unselfish and works hard. You could swap him with Kyle Anderson on the Spurs and they wouldn't miss a beat. You could even swap him with Courtney Lee on the Knicks and they wouldn't miss a beat. He's just a solid player all around, nothing more nothing less.

thebuzzardman · Post #134 » by **thebuzzardman** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:12 pm

Greenie wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:Don't get too ahead of yourselves on Holiday. It's a long season and he's been a marginal nba player up to this point for a reason. This board has a serious tendency to overhype dudes after a few games just like many of you also do opposite and put dudes in the doghouse after a few bad games. But yes he's been productive up to this point.

Who in this thread is overhyping him? He has been productive for us but he has also impressed the fanbases for the other teams on which he has played as well, including Chicago. They weren't very happy giving him up as part of the deal and, this isn't an overstatement, he's better than Jerian Grant.

2 games. Holiday is a role player that has bounced around for a reason. Lance Thomas is in the same boat.

People were happy as fuq trading Timmy for Grant last year. How does that look now? Timmy looks like the better player after a year.

We hype and bash players too fast around these parts and it leads to non-sense.

Because Hardaway scored some points because Atlanta's bench is trash and they need someone to come in and score some points?

Better than Grant? Probably. Grant sucks.

EchelonNYK · Post #135 » by **EchelonNYK** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:27 pm

SMAC-K wrote:Holiday is a very nice role player who could be a starter in the league

He's like the OKC version of Thabo Sefolosha

He's a Gregg Popovich type of player in that he is coachable, understands his role, defensive minded, unselfish and works hard. You could swap him with Kyle Anderson on the Spurs and they wouldn't miss a beat. You could even swap him with Courtney Lee on the Knicks and they wouldn't miss a beat. He's just a solid player all around, nothing more nothing less.

Don't get ahead of yourself now.

NYKAL · Post #136 » by **NYKAL** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:42 pm

people downrating Holiday but showing respect for scurbs like Thomas. Holiday has been like C- Lee for the most part. He's been solid, always scores within the offense. Has been playing both side of the ball (going back to day 1of preseason) and his stone faced expression never changes (don't know where moo got the dear in the headlights thing from). He IS a gem that we got in the deal that no one ever seems to really mention.

Showing respect for what you seen so far in not even close to overrating or getting ahead of ourselves.

HEZI · Post #137 » by **HEZI** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:44 pm

echelonNYK wrote:
SMAC-K wrote:Holiday is a very nice role player who could be a starter in the league

He's like the OKC version of Thabo Sefolosha

He's a Gregg Popovich type of player in that he is coachable, understands his role, defensive minded, unselfish and works hard. You could swap him with Kyle Anderson on the Spurs and they wouldn't miss a beat. You could even swap him with Courtney Lee on the Knicks and they wouldn't miss a beat. He's just a solid player all around, nothing more nothing less.

Don't get ahead of yourself now.

I'm not

Like I said earlier in the summer, he is better than Andre Roberson (Thunder starter)

I would also say he is better than Rondae Hollis Jefferson (Nets starter)

He's arguably just as good as Kentavious Caldwell Pope (Pistons starter)

Amsterdam · Post #138 » by **Amsterdam** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:52 pm

cayuck wrote:I really like what I've seen of Justin Holiday so far. I'm also impressed that Hornacek rewarded his good play with some 4th quarter minutes in the win over Memphis. His length and quickness are well used on the defensive end and he has a nice smooth shot when he catches in rhythm on offense. He plays much more under control than Jennings and I think Holiday could be the real key to this bench unit. Jennings will be hot and cold all season, Lance and KO are all inconsistent at best, but if Holiday can show up and give legit minutes providing a little scoring and tough D off the bench every night it could be one of the small things that let's us turn the corner.

Dude, not including KP, O'Quinn is our most improved player so far.

Stop with the O'Quinn negative narrative, the guy is playing very very well.

Riot Randolph · Post #139 » by **Riot Randolph** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:53 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:Don't get too ahead of yourselves on Holiday. It's a long season and he's been a marginal nba player up to this point for a reason. This board has a serious tendency to overhype dudes after a few games just like many of you also do opposite and put dudes in the doghouse after a few bad games. But yes he's been productive up to this point.

im sorry i hsave to disagree with you...he beeasted when both rose and butler went down... fans that have seen him extensivley have been very high on him..

MaseInYourFace · Post #140 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:53 pm

Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:Don't get too ahead of yourselves on Holiday. It's a long season and he's been a marginal nba player up to this point for a reason. This board has a serious tendency to overhype dudes after a few games just like many of you also do opposite and put dudes in the doghouse after a few bad games. But yes he's been productive up to this point.

Who in this thread is overhyping him? He has been productive for us but he has also impressed the fanbases for the other teams on which he has played as well, including Chicago. They weren't very happy giving him up as part of the deal and, this isn't an overstatement, he's better than Jerian Grant.

I just see the tendencies already. I know the MO around here.