Source: Teams inquiring on Kyle O'Quinn

[NYKMentality85]

If a team such as Dallas, Philadelphia, Minnesota, Brooklyn, New Orleans, Phoenix or Miami wants a quality big man of O'Quinn's caliber (starter ability)? O.k. Then we're talking business.

But if it's a team like Golden State, Cleveland, San Antonio, Clippers, Houston, Toronto, Memphis, Utah, OKC, Chicago, Boston or Charlotte etc who's interested in O'Quinn's services? Well then it'll cost them a whole lot more than just 1 first rounder.

If not well then I'm fine with the idea of keeping our Queens native and working on a contract extension within the near future.

[Capn'O]

Just quickly perusing rosters, players like Dante Exum and Trey Lyles on the Jazz, Stanley Johnson in DET, Bobby Portis on the Bulls, or the injured Cam Payne in OKC. If any of those teams wanted a veteran player on a great contract with good production NOW, then that's the kind of move I'd say we'd see.

Good names and once we know the status of our bigger pieces those are the kind of moves the team should look at, imo. Fill in the gaps. Or just keep Kyle. It's not a bad position to be in.

[K_ick_God]

Kyle and Lance for Lopez and Wade

Almost any player can be had for a price, yes that's true, but any realistic price that KOQ could return will not be accepted. The Knicks are finally above .500, with a nice looking future too. They're not going to immediately upset that apple cart by giving Kyle away for a pick.

And yes that nice looking future is relevant to this calculation too, perhaps counterintuitively: Kyle is still young and we are not in desperate need of risk-filled future assets like 1sts and 2nds. Give me picks or give me death!

I'll take Kyle over some 17-30 pick that we use on the next Dwyane Wade -- also known as Iman Shumpert. No gracias.

[Greenie]

Next month you all will hate him

[K_ick_God]

Next month you all will hate him

I know what you mean -- that's fair -- but I'd personally rather have my ups and downs with Kyle than draft some guy we sell ourselves on who also has flaws on his scouting report ... then doesn't look so good in summer league ... wait, he doesn't look so good in preseason ... why can't he get off the bench, is Horny drunk? ... gets in a game or two and blows ... what a bad pick! ... he better work on his game this summer ... wait he sucks again in the preseason ... trade him for a 2nd!

What Kyle has shown in this young season ... you roll with it.

[Greenie]

Next month you all will hate him

I know what you mean -- that's fair -- but I'd personally rather have my ups and downs with Kyle than draft some guy we sell ourselves on who also has flaws on his scouting report ... then doesn't look so good in summer league ... wait, he doesn't look so good in preseason ... why can't he get off the bench, is Horny drunk? ... gets in a game or two and blows ... what a bad pick! ... he better work on his game ... wait he sucks again in the preseason ... trade him for a 2nd!

What Kyle has shown in this young season ... you roll with it.

KG, you know I was like the only person that asked for Kyle way before we got him?
I repeatedly asked for Tobias, Harkless and him when they ALL were in Orlando.

I'm never letting Kyle go and I'm busy writing a check to keep him.

[HEZI]

Kyle and Lance for Lopez and Wade

Almost any player can be had for a price, yes that's true, but any realistic price that KOQ could return will not be accepted. The Knicks are finally above .500, with a nice looking future too. They're not going to immediately upset that apple cart by giving Kyle away for a pick.

And yes that nice looking future is relevant to this calculation too, perhaps counterintuitively: Kyle is still young and we are not in desperate need of risk-filled future assets like 1sts and 2nds. Give me picks or give me death!

I'll take Kyle over some 17-30 pick that we use on the next Dwyane Wade -- also known as Iman Shumpert. No gracias.

Jimmy Butler was the 30th pick that year

Kawhi Leonard was 15th and only 2 before Shumpert

There is always a gem somewhere in the draft so I just wanted to point that out

I do agree with not just giving up a player for a draft pick especially since it's going to significantly hurt you with winning games now BUT we have arguably one of the best scouts in the league so if we did trade Kyle for a draft pick I think it would only happen on draft night IF the gem we are after is on board and we have a chance to get him via trade.

[Houston99]

only for a lottery pick

[K_ick_God]

Next month you all will hate him

I know what you mean -- that's fair -- but I'd personally rather have my ups and downs with Kyle than draft some guy we sell ourselves on who also has flaws on his scouting report ... then doesn't look so good in summer league ... wait, he doesn't look so good in preseason ... why can't he get off the bench, is Horny drunk? ... gets in a game or two and blows ... what a bad pick! ... he better work on his game ... wait he sucks again in the preseason ... trade him for a 2nd!

What Kyle has shown in this young season ... you roll with it.

KG, you know I was like the only person that asked for Kyle way before we got him?
I repeatedly asked for Tobias, Harkless and him when they ALL were in Orlando.

I'm never letting Kyle go and I'm busy writing a check to keep him.

Yep I remember and I know what you are saying.

I could swear there are people on here who would still rather have had the Lakers take KP so we could have had Russell fallen to us, so that they could experience the three months of euphoria that went with it.

Keep your eyes on the prize folks. There is no reason for the Knicks to trade a key rotation guy now for nobody, which is exactly what a pick really is. Nobody. Eventually it'll be somebody who may turn back into nobody.

The Knicks' plan for this season is, by and large, working. You go with that. No we're not a great team but in the NBA, turning the corner is the hardest thing for bad teams to do. We should know that by now.

[kane2021]

Would you trade next years pick for koq? Say something went wrong and we were a lottery lock. Would you trade next years pick for koq?


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[Amsterdam]

because o'quinn playing at a high level might just be a hot streak.

if the trade benefits both teams, you consider it.

Koq hasn't suddenly become another player

He's always been a major hustle guy. He won that award 2 of 3 seasons in Orl

He's always been a strong passing big
He's always been physical
He's always had a pretty ok jumper

What's different is simple
He's lost some weight and gained quickness, he's been here a full season so he knows KP and melo a little, and he's surounded by better players.

Last year he was the backup to rolo. The drop off was significant and there was no one else behind him.

This year he's backing up Noah where sadly the difference is less pronounced and he's competing for mins with Willy

Perception is so big in this league and on this board
Perspective less so

Koq was always this guy, he's just got a better environment to shine now

okay, and?

if a team is offering a first rounder you still consider it because it opens up minutes for hernangomez.

Dude, Billy is not ready and is not playing close to O'Quinn's level right now.

Additionally, we are just starting to play well and have to reach a good playoff seating. No time to disrupt the team as trading this guy may devastate the young core and possibly our 3rd most important player.

O'Quinn is part of our young core and we are fortunate to be developing them. Trading for a possible ?, is not how you climb the charts.

You seem to want everything destructive to the team, what's up with this?

[god shammgod]

Would you trade next years pick for koq? Say something went wrong and we were a lottery lock. Would you trade next years pick for koq?


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good point. no team would. you might get a pick from a team at the end of the 1st round but no lottery pick for sure.

[Im Coming Home]

if a team is offering a first round pick for o'quinn, you take it and run away laughing.

Depends on the team, I don't want to only get a late first for KOQ.

He's a big man on a cheap contract for this season and 2 more.

Very very valuable.

[blueNorange]

Koq hasn't suddenly become another player

He's always been a major hustle guy. He won that award 2 of 3 seasons in Orl

He's always been a strong passing big
He's always been physical
He's always had a pretty ok jumper

What's different is simple
He's lost some weight and gained quickness, he's been here a full season so he knows KP and melo a little, and he's surounded by better players.

Last year he was the backup to rolo. The drop off was significant and there was no one else behind him.

This year he's backing up Noah where sadly the difference is less pronounced and he's competing for mins with Willy

Perception is so big in this league and on this board
Perspective less so

Koq was always this guy, he's just got a better environment to shine now

okay, and?

if a team is offering a first rounder you still consider it because it opens up minutes for hernangomez.

no

once again you are making the same irrational move

you need multiple bigs in this league. One guy is a rookie. You keep them both. Noah is too much a question mark to bank on.

and the draft pick thing is so overrated.
for starters not all picks are equal. Just like posters.

I for example am a high lottery pick where you are a late 2nd rounder at best.


If Mini offers their unprotected pick then ok
If the clips offer their you say no

i like you man alll things considered

[xNewYorkMadex]

I bet the offers for him arent great.

KOQ is the type of player you trade away as a legit sweetener in a blockbuster type of deal.

Might as well hold onto him for now.

[CJackson]

I think his recent hot streak, attitude, and hustle have blinded some of the posters here. The guy is a solid backup big, and that's about it. He's getting about 6/5 on a nightly basis and a lot of his minutes come against 2nd units.

His real value comes from what he brings to the team in terms of chemistry, his hustle, work ethic(look how much he slimmed down)!, and the effort he brings in off the bench when the team needs it. That and the fact that he is on a contract that boils down to barely above the minimum when you take into account salary increases.

He's getting 4 mil per and playing at a 10/11 mil per level, and he's under contract for another two seasons. A team would definitely love him for cutting salary AND getting a + value bench guy.

I want to keep KOQ, but if a team makes an offer that's beneficial, then we need to consider it.

What I am worried about is shortening our big rotation to the point that it's detrimental to KP and Melo, and it would also leave us suceptible to major injury issues. Right now, if Noah goes down, we still have a few bigs that can give valuable minutes at the 5. If we flip Oquinn for a pick or good bench player, then we're really rolling the dice. We would need someone from the D-league or a vet min player to shore it up.

If Denver wants KOQ and a 2nd rounder for Wilson Chandler...then we need to

Just a reminder. KOQ has logged real minutes vs. starting centers though. He handcuffed KAT on the second game of the back to back. He is not going to stop everyone or someone like Cousins, but he has performed well overall regardless of whether he's playing starters or backups.

[CJackson]

Another way of framing it is: Does anyone think we're going into tank mode this year? I don't.

But if you traded KOQ without getting a comparable big I could see how this team could go South very quickly this season.

I love Willie and think he has amazing upside, but it is too early to bank on just Noah and Willy. KP's arms would fall off trying to overcompensate with extra blocks.

[Sark]

If you guys think that OQuinn is going to net a top 10 pick, you are out-of-touch. The most he'd get is a late 1st or another serviceable player that plays a different position. Wilson Chandler would be awesome. Backup undersized centers do not become big time prospects for playing a GOOD (not great) quarter season. Teams are asking because they think that they can get a good player for a reasonable price... not because they think he's a "must have"

Even getting a late 1st round pick would be great for a guy that had 0 value just a few months ago.

He's a role player that is doing well. He's not a core piece. If you can get a pick for him, you take it and don't think twice.

[NYKHardKnock]

KOQ is a keeper, he's a player you won championships with. Last year he was VERY RAW, this season he looks incredible and his mid range is crazy good thus far. If we ever trade him at his playing rate I'll be devastated.

[JBreezeNY]

Some of you really want to trade away Quinn?

Have you not seen teams around the league with multiple big men on their depth roster that are versatile?

And you want us to trade that for potential in a first round?

Especially one that is TWENTY SIX YEARS OLD?

Goddamn yall will NEVER satisfied, shiny new toy syndrome.