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Re: Hornacek comments on Viral Clip Of Him Turning Back on ISO Melo 

Post#121 » by Oscirus » Fri Jan 6, 2017 11:30 pm

Greenie wrote:
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Im going to be real.

I see a black mans intelligence and character come into question because some fans are mad the Knicks aren't any good when the fact is the Knicks have not been good in damn near half a century.

I see a black man be called greedy for wanting to maximize is earning potential because fans want him to take less money to come play for their team.

I see a black man being called a brat because he wants to play in a damn all-star game.

I see a black man being railroaded because he posted a pic of ANOTHER black man in Ali.

That's what I see. It's one thing to insult his game. It's another to insult who he is as a man and let those insults tip toe that line in the sand.

You mad he didn't wait to come here? Fine. That doesn't make him greedy or selfish for looking out for his family.

You mad he wants to play in All-star games? Fine. That doesn't make him a brat.

Some posters speak on Melo as if they are chastising a child...and they do the same to posters who stick up for Melo. They just word it fancy because they think they can talk over everyone's head like no one comprehended what they just typed.


As I said, I have no issues with people going in on Melo the player. Lord knows he deserves it. I feel some type of way when people(not you per say) start the over the top extra.

That is all.


It has nothing to do with black or white ( though admittedly the fact that we have one of the few white stars in this league does affect the optics), some of the things like his greed and questioning his intelligence are admittedly going overboard, but other things like repeatedly campaigning for the all star game in the midst of a losing streak and posting provocative pictures knowing what the imagery is meant to convey opens him up to ridicule and is fair criticism. Should people use better adjectives when describing Melo? Sure but at the same time, criticims of Melo needn't be limited to his on court performance especially when it's his actions that are causing said criticisms.

What actions?
Players campaign for the All star game. He's not the first and won't be the last. You don't have to agree with it, but that's not a hit on who he is as a person.

People called this man dumb for speaking out against police brutality....on this board.

The Ali pic was a statement and here comes the same people ready to attack him. These same people defended LeBron and his statements about what Phil said and flipped to the other side of the fence with the pic because it was Melo. It then became Okay to tell someone how to feel and they were wrong for playing the race card.


Insulting someone's actions isn't really attacking them as a person. It's just saying I'm not a fan of those particular actions. We'll have to agree to disagree on this point, but campaigning for an all star game in the midst of a losing streak is not a good look, IMO.

Anybody who called him dumb for speaking up against police brutality is a moron and isn't worthy of the time it would take to even respond to them.

I agree that Melo does get an abnormal amount of hate, but that's just a strange picture to post in response to a talkative GM especially coming on the heels of that posse controversy. That's not to say he's not allowed to post whatever he feels, but at the same time, it comes off as a bit of an overreaction. That being said, any sane person would realize that Lebron's reaction was a lot more ridiculous then Melo's.
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Post#122 » by Capn'O » Fri Jan 6, 2017 11:38 pm

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That's a lot of fresh apples!

The 'Os had our first in May. It's actually put me on here more because daddy duty starts when I get home but then there's a lot of time where I'm just home and if I make a sound there'd be no Cap tomorrow.
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Post#123 » by KnickFan33 » Fri Jan 6, 2017 11:42 pm

Greenie wrote:
Oscirus wrote:
Greenie wrote:
Im going to be real.

I see a black mans intelligence and character come into question because some fans are mad the Knicks aren't any good when the fact is the Knicks have not been good in damn near half a century.

I see a black man be called greedy for wanting to maximize is earning potential because fans want him to take less money to come play for their team.

I see a black man being called a brat because he wants to play in a damn all-star game.

I see a black man being railroaded because he posted a pic of ANOTHER black man in Ali.

That's what I see. It's one thing to insult his game. It's another to insult who he is as a man and let those insults tip toe that line in the sand.

You mad he didn't wait to come here? Fine. That doesn't make him greedy or selfish for looking out for his family.

You mad he wants to play in All-star games? Fine. That doesn't make him a brat.

Some posters speak on Melo as if they are chastising a child...and they do the same to posters who stick up for Melo. They just word it fancy because they think they can talk over everyone's head like no one comprehended what they just typed.


As I said, I have no issues with people going in on Melo the player. Lord knows he deserves it. I feel some type of way when people(not you per say) start the over the top extra.

That is all.


It has nothing to do with black or white ( though admittedly the fact that we have one of the few white stars in this league does affect the optics), some of the things like his greed and questioning his intelligence are admittedly going overboard, but other things like repeatedly campaigning for the all star game in the midst of a losing streak and posting provocative pictures knowing what the imagery is meant to convey opens him up to ridicule and is fair criticism. Should people use better adjectives when describing Melo? Sure but at the same time, criticims of Melo needn't be limited to his on court performance especially when it's his actions that are causing said criticisms.

What actions?
Players campaign for the All star game. He's not the first and won't be the last. You don't have to agree with it, but that's not a hit on who he is as a person.

People called this man dumb for speaking out against police brutality....on this board.

The Ali pic was a statement and here comes the same people ready to attack him. These same people defended LeBron and his statements about what Phil said and flipped to the other side of the fence with the pic because it was Melo. It then became Okay to tell someone how to feel and they were wrong for playing the race card.


Things are getting tense. What's going on?
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Post#124 » by CJackson » Fri Jan 6, 2017 11:42 pm

god shammgod wrote:i have in the past been involved in this discussion from time to time but i stop myself as much as i can. and honestly no matter what side you are on, and both sides have the right to believe what they do, it would be helpful if everyone just talked about it a little less. both sides. just a little less.


Crazy Uncle,

I got my licks in which were in my subjective opinion richly deserved, both for Melo and for those who tried to run his critics off the board. My push back was a highly conscious over-reaction to their board manners this season.

My strategy this week was to treat the homers just like opposing teams treat their hero. I game planned their predictable reactions. They flip out so easily and I admit I was shameless in my taunting of them. They earned it.

I'll wait for Melo to be off the team to watch the Knicks again, so I'l only post about how much I'd like to see Melo gone infrequently, not every day or every week.

It is still everyone's prerogative to not want a player on their team, but I don't need to talk about it every day. Hell week is over.

Other posters are now saying it is about racial hatred. I won't drag the board further into utter mayhem ripping that kind of rubbish apart. My worst side will get exercised debunking that trash so I won't go there for the board's sake. It's too dumb, so I can handle it without responding. No big deal.

I'll step off now whether the others do not. I don't need the mods to protect me. I stood my ground. They can have that ground back now. I don't want it.

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Post#125 » by Greenie » Fri Jan 6, 2017 11:43 pm

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Greenie wrote:
Oscirus wrote:
It has nothing to do with black or white ( though admittedly the fact that we have one of the few white stars in this league does affect the optics), some of the things like his greed and questioning his intelligence are admittedly going overboard, but other things like repeatedly campaigning for the all star game in the midst of a losing streak and posting provocative pictures knowing what the imagery is meant to convey opens him up to ridicule and is fair criticism. Should people use better adjectives when describing Melo? Sure but at the same time, criticims of Melo needn't be limited to his on court performance especially when it's his actions that are causing said criticisms.

What actions?
Players campaign for the All star game. He's not the first and won't be the last. You don't have to agree with it, but that's not a hit on who he is as a person.

People called this man dumb for speaking out against police brutality....on this board.

The Ali pic was a statement and here comes the same people ready to attack him. These same people defended LeBron and his statements about what Phil said and flipped to the other side of the fence with the pic because it was Melo. It then became Okay to tell someone how to feel and they were wrong for playing the race card.


Insulting someone's actions isn't really attacking them as a person. It's just saying I'm not a fan of those particular actions. We'll have to agree to disagree on this point, but campaigning for an all star game in the midst of a losing streak is not a good look, IMO.

Anybody who called him dumb for speaking up against police brutality is a moron and isn't worthy of the time it would take to even respond to them.

I agree that Melo does get an abnormal amount of hate, but that's just a strange picture to post in response to a talkative GM especially coming on the heels of that posse controversy. That's not to say he's not allowed to post whatever he feels, but at the same time, it comes off as a bit of an overreaction. That being said, any sane person would realize that Lebron's reaction was a lot more ridiculous then Melo's.

I can be fair and agree
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Post#126 » by Rotten Apple » Fri Jan 6, 2017 11:44 pm

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Greenie wrote:Boy or Girl

Another girl I'm getting out numbered :lol:

Congrats.

Be good to her and keep her far away from the Knicks :-?

Her sisters hate basketball unfortunately so I'm assuming she's going to follow suit
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Post#127 » by Greenie » Fri Jan 6, 2017 11:45 pm

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Greenie wrote:
Oscirus wrote:
It has nothing to do with black or white ( though admittedly the fact that we have one of the few white stars in this league does affect the optics), some of the things like his greed and questioning his intelligence are admittedly going overboard, but other things like repeatedly campaigning for the all star game in the midst of a losing streak and posting provocative pictures knowing what the imagery is meant to convey opens him up to ridicule and is fair criticism. Should people use better adjectives when describing Melo? Sure but at the same time, criticims of Melo needn't be limited to his on court performance especially when it's his actions that are causing said criticisms.

What actions?
Players campaign for the All star game. He's not the first and won't be the last. You don't have to agree with it, but that's not a hit on who he is as a person.

People called this man dumb for speaking out against police brutality....on this board.

The Ali pic was a statement and here comes the same people ready to attack him. These same people defended LeBron and his statements about what Phil said and flipped to the other side of the fence with the pic because it was Melo. It then became Okay to tell someone how to feel and they were wrong for playing the race card.


Things are getting tense. What's going on?

Nothing. We are having a damn good constructive conversation. No name calling or anything.
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Post#128 » by Capn'O » Fri Jan 6, 2017 11:45 pm

god shammgod wrote:i have in the past been involved in this discussion from time to time but i stop myself as much as i can. and honestly no matter what side you are on, and both sides have the right to believe what they do, it would be helpful if everyone just talked about it a little less. both sides. just a little less.


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Post#129 » by Greenie » Fri Jan 6, 2017 11:46 pm

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Rotten Apple wrote:Another girl I'm getting out numbered :lol:

Congrats.

Be good to her and keep her far away from the Knicks :-?

Her sisters hate basketball unfortunately so I'm assuming she's going to follow suit

Good. Very good.
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Post#130 » by Rotten Apple » Fri Jan 6, 2017 11:47 pm

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Congrats man! First kid?


4th :lol:

11 year old girl, 7 year old girl, 4 year old boy and now my newest addition


That's a lot of fresh apples!

The 'Os had our first in May. It's actually put me on here more because daddy duty starts when I get home but then there's a lot of time where I'm just home and if I make a sound there'd be no Cap tomorrow.


My fiancé is exhausted so I try and handle the kids. My oldest is really motherly but even still my son can't seem to stay out of stuff so between that and the new born I'm tied up. Today's been the most time I've had in the last 2 weeks.
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Post#131 » by Sark » Fri Jan 6, 2017 11:49 pm

It's ok to campaign for the All Star game, but you have to check the temperature of the room before doing so.

If you're a good player on a bad team that had low expectations, then sure it's fine to campaign for yourself (Embiid).

If you're leading a good team past expectations, and not getting recognition for it, then it's ok to campaign too (Lillard).

If you're on a SUPER TEAM with huge expectations, but the team is playing bad, and currently in a nose dive, it's probably not a good idea to campaign for the All Star game in the middle of a 6 game losing streak. It's a bad look for your brand, and the fan base may question your priorities, especially if you just played in the Olympics for yourself, while your team has missed the playoffs for 3 straight years.
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Post#132 » by Capn'O » Fri Jan 6, 2017 11:54 pm

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4th :lol:

11 year old girl, 7 year old girl, 4 year old boy and now my newest addition


That's a lot of fresh apples!

The 'Os had our first in May. It's actually put me on here more because daddy duty starts when I get home but then there's a lot of time where I'm just home and if I make a sound there'd be no Cap tomorrow.


My fiancé is exhausted so I try and handle the kids. My oldest is really motherly but even still my son can't seem to stay out of stuff so between that and the new born I'm tied up. Today's been the most time I've had in the last 2 weeks.


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Post#133 » by Greenie » Sat Jan 7, 2017 12:05 am

Sark wrote:It's ok to campaign for the All Star game, but you have to check the temperature of the room before doing so.

If you're a good player on a bad team that had low expectations, then sure it's fine to campaign for yourself (Embiid).

If you're leading a good team past expectations, and not getting recognition for it, then it's ok to campaign too (Lillard).

If you're on a SUPER TEAM with huge expectations, but the team is playing bad, and currently in a nose dive, it's probably not a good idea to campaign for the All Star game in the middle of a 6 game losing streak. It's a bad look for your brand, and the fan base may question your priorities, especially if you just played in the Olympics for yourself, while your team has missed the playoffs for 3 straight years.

Sir, this is not a super team.
Only insane fans had high expectations.
Look back before the season. Many called this a .500 team.
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Post#134 » by Amsterdam » Sat Jan 7, 2017 12:13 am

Oscirus wrote:
Greenie wrote:
Oscirus wrote:
It has nothing to do with black or white ( though admittedly the fact that we have one of the few white stars in this league does affect the optics), some of the things like his greed and questioning his intelligence are admittedly going overboard, but other things like repeatedly campaigning for the all star game in the midst of a losing streak and posting provocative pictures knowing what the imagery is meant to convey opens him up to ridicule and is fair criticism. Should people use better adjectives when describing Melo? Sure but at the same time, criticims of Melo needn't be limited to his on court performance especially when it's his actions that are causing said criticisms.

What actions?
Players campaign for the All star game. He's not the first and won't be the last. You don't have to agree with it, but that's not a hit on who he is as a person.

People called this man dumb for speaking out against police brutality....on this board.

The Ali pic was a statement and here comes the same people ready to attack him. These same people defended LeBron and his statements about what Phil said and flipped to the other side of the fence with the pic because it was Melo. It then became Okay to tell someone how to feel and they were wrong for playing the race card.


Insulting someone's actions isn't really attacking them as a person. It's just saying I'm not a fan of those particular actions. We'll have to agree to disagree on this point, but campaigning for an all star game in the midst of a losing streak is not a good look, IMO.

Anybody who called him dumb for speaking up against police brutality is a moron and isn't worthy of the time it would take to even respond to them.

I agree that Melo does get an abnormal amount of hate, but that's just a strange picture to post in response to a talkative GM especially coming on the heels of that posse controversy. That's not to say he's not allowed to post whatever he feels, but at the same time, it comes off as a bit of an overreaction. That being said, any sane person would realize that Lebron's reaction was a lot more ridiculous then Melo's.


Nice response.
It's a great dialogue of thoughts. Very sane, smart and expressive of different view points.
Which when seen with openess can bring reality into focus.

Well done, Greenie and Oscirus!
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Post#135 » by Sark » Sat Jan 7, 2017 12:14 am

Greenie wrote:
Sark wrote:It's ok to campaign for the All Star game, but you have to check the temperature of the room before doing so.

If you're a good player on a bad team that had low expectations, then sure it's fine to campaign for yourself (Embiid).

If you're leading a good team past expectations, and not getting recognition for it, then it's ok to campaign too (Lillard).

If you're on a SUPER TEAM with huge expectations, but the team is playing bad, and currently in a nose dive, it's probably not a good idea to campaign for the All Star game in the middle of a 6 game losing streak. It's a bad look for your brand, and the fan base may question your priorities, especially if you just played in the Olympics for yourself, while your team has missed the playoffs for 3 straight years.

Sir, this is not a super team.
Only insane fans had high expectations.
Look back before the season. Many called this a .500 team.



MVP, DPOY, 2x ROY runner up, top 10 pick back up PG. That's as stacked as most teams in the East.
SUPER TEAM.
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Post#136 » by ctorres » Sat Jan 7, 2017 12:28 am

Greenie wrote:
Sark wrote:It's ok to campaign for the All Star game, but you have to check the temperature of the room before doing so.

If you're a good player on a bad team that had low expectations, then sure it's fine to campaign for yourself (Embiid).

If you're leading a good team past expectations, and not getting recognition for it, then it's ok to campaign too (Lillard).

If you're on a SUPER TEAM with huge expectations, but the team is playing bad, and currently in a nose dive, it's probably not a good idea to campaign for the All Star game in the middle of a 6 game losing streak. It's a bad look for your brand, and the fan base may question your priorities, especially if you just played in the Olympics for yourself, while your team has missed the playoffs for 3 straight years.

Sir, this is not a super team.
Only insane fans had high expectations.
Look back before the season. Many called this a .500 team.


Didn't Rose himself call this a super team?
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Post#137 » by kane2021 » Sat Jan 7, 2017 12:34 am

I see it like this. Not only is there reason to want to move on. But there's also reason to be critical right now.

People should be allowed to discuss it. In a discussion forum. But the same characters attack.

It's a classic example of a wolf in sheeps clothing. People coming to fight and be disruptive hiding behind a "pro" agenda. I guess the thought is if you fighting pro team the trolling will go unnoticed?

Only problem is it isn't pro team. It's pro player. I don't see arguments about how we need to continue this building process. I only see arguments about how people shouldn't talk about a player.

I already have one ridiculous example of this blind trolling in que. I'm speaking as one of the people. Cut this bull **** out. I don't know who you think you fooling. But I'm tired of feeling like I need to carefully choose my words here to avoid these wolves. I'm positive I'm not the only one either.


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Post#138 » by Greenie » Sat Jan 7, 2017 12:42 am

ctorres wrote:
Greenie wrote:
Sark wrote:It's ok to campaign for the All Star game, but you have to check the temperature of the room before doing so.

If you're a good player on a bad team that had low expectations, then sure it's fine to campaign for yourself (Embiid).

If you're leading a good team past expectations, and not getting recognition for it, then it's ok to campaign too (Lillard).

If you're on a SUPER TEAM with huge expectations, but the team is playing bad, and currently in a nose dive, it's probably not a good idea to campaign for the All Star game in the middle of a 6 game losing streak. It's a bad look for your brand, and the fan base may question your priorities, especially if you just played in the Olympics for yourself, while your team has missed the playoffs for 3 straight years.

Sir, this is not a super team.
Only insane fans had high expectations.
Look back before the season. Many called this a .500 team.


Didn't Rose himself call this a super team?

You listened?
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Post#139 » by CJackson » Sat Jan 7, 2017 12:47 am

kane2021 wrote:I see it like this. Not only is there reason to want to move on. But there's also reason to be critical right now.

People should be allowed to discuss it. In a discussion forum. But the same characters attack.

It's a classic example of a wolf in sheeps clothing. People coming to fight and be disruptive hiding behind a "pro" agenda. I guess the thought is if you fighting pro team the trolling will go unnoticed?

Only problem is it isn't pro team. It's pro player. I don't see arguments about how we need to continue this building process. I only see arguments about how people shouldn't talk about a player.

I already have one ridiculous example of this blind trolling in que. I'm speaking as one of the people. Cut this bull **** out. I don't know who you think you fooling. But I'm tired of feeling like I need to carefully choose my words here to avoid these wolves. I'm positive I'm not the only one either.


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Thanks for that

You shouldn't have to walk on eggshells

I cranked it up and took all the heat hoping it would blow this facade apart, but I know my attack mode can only go so far which is why I listened to Sham's request

Your voice is respected and not so volatile and overly provocative like mine so it is good hear others speak up. Really good. Glad to pass the ball to someone else now
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Post#140 » by NOOB77 » Sat Jan 7, 2017 12:48 am

kane2021 wrote:I see it like this. Not only is there reason to want to move on. But there's also reason to be critical right now.

People should be allowed to discuss it. In a discussion forum. But the same characters attack.

It's a classic example of a wolf in sheeps clothing. People coming to fight and be disruptive hiding behind a "pro" agenda. I guess the thought is if you fighting pro team the trolling will go unnoticed?

Only problem is it isn't pro team. It's pro player. I don't see arguments about how we need to continue this building process. I only see arguments about how people shouldn't talk about a player.

I already have one ridiculous example of this blind trolling in que. I'm speaking as one of the people. Cut this bull **** out. I don't know who you think you fooling. But I'm tired of feeling like I need to carefully choose my words here to avoid these wolves. I'm positive I'm not the only one either.


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It has gotten way out of control on both sides. Board for the most part has become unbearable.

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