Did Phil fall asleep On Donovan Mitchell workout?

[HarthorneWingo]

Frank Ntilikina is 19 years old. It hurts me this board isn't smarter but I know deep inside if we had Kobe, Greek freak, or Dirk here during their rookie years most would be giving up on them and looking to trade them. Not that I'm saying Frank will be that good but it's to illustrate a point

bunch of crackheads looking for their next fix

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[eagle54]

Look, I don't really care about what is traditional in Europe, it means absolutely nothing when talking about the NBA. It's irrelevant. So if your assessment of a what a PG is and isn't stems from European standards, then this argument can just end right there because it means nothing in regards to a discussion about the NBA. The best PG's in the NBA would not be considered "traditional" or "true PG's" by these European standards (which are actually outdated NBA standards) . Also, please don't tell me to be patient, you got the wrong one here since I've been preaching patience with Frank from the very beginning. This has nothing to do with patience, I addressed you on a specific claim you made about who is a "true PG" so stick to that subject.

I think you 2 agree. Just seems like a language barrier. It was difficult reading his post but, I thought he was saying that Frank is NOT a "true" PG in the sense of Rondo/Rubio because he can shoot and score but, he's trained in Europe which is old school NBA PG basically. Which is completely relevant.

IDK...That's what I get out of it.

Yes you understand that I want to say, In Europe Pg are trained like old nba PG with Fundamentals because Europe is more traditional. That's we need and Kp need in my opinion ( him was trained in Europe too with same Fundamentals), Mitchell is a good player too but knicks try to find a new identity and we have lots of Euros in the team, clearly this team need an euro PG ( I want to say an old NBA PG style and Frank is this guy).
Jack for example is the mentor and his profil is close to Frank. Not coincidence.

Let all this Young guys develop. I think all the lottery teams (maybe just portland miss their choice) next year have made the right choice with their rookies.

[Knicks_Fan2]

here's a real post from me, playing the coulda woulda shoulda game is dumb af.

truth is, none of the pg's in this draft have been impressive. dsj and mitchell are scoring a lot on low efficiency and free reign on the offense to do whatever they want. ball is what i knew what he'd be, monk is garbage, fox is struggling, and dsj is showing the world why he's a gutless coward loser.

frank also is part of this underwhelming guard draft class, he's shown nothing so far other than playing defense and passing the ball to o'quinn because he's afraid to shoot the ball. the thing with frank though that the other guard don't have is the the 'project' title. frank wasn't drafted to contribute now or even next year, frank was always high upside pick.

does that mean frank will be good? no

this draft class is starting to look overrated, nobody has separated themselves from the rest of the pack ... and that's scary.

It was more of a depth class then a star draft in hindsight. Jordan Bell in round 1, Kuzma the tail end of round 1.. to a lesser extent Allen at 22 to the Nets and OG do the Raps all look good.

But yeah, even Fox hit a brick wall. Rookie PG's usually take a year to get acclimated so patience is key.

Nobody thinks this draft class is overrated. These guys are flashing much more than the average drsft class. Never expect great efficiency from rookies (makes tatum look great bc he is so efficient). This has been an excellent class. Also, with respect to donovon, i agree his shooting has generally been poor but he is trending up quickly there and if you watch his game you can see just how dynamic he is. Look at aggregate stats instead of watching these players and how they are flashing and quicjly improving is a poor way to evaluate the draft class. It has been indisputably excellent. Frank is younger and we have held him back. Will wait on his evaluation.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Look, I don't really care about what is traditional in Europe, it means absolutely nothing when talking about the NBA. It's irrelevant. So if your assessment of a what a PG is and isn't stems from European standards, then this argument can just end right there because it means nothing in regards to a discussion about the NBA. The best PG's in the NBA would not be considered "traditional" or "true PG's" by these European standards (which are actually outdated NBA standards) . Also, please don't tell me to be patient, you got the wrong one here since I've been preaching patience with Frank from the very beginning. This has nothing to do with patience, I addressed you on a specific claim you made about who is a "true PG" so stick to that subject.

I think you 2 agree. Just seems like a language barrier. It was difficult reading his post but, I thought he was saying that Frank is NOT a "true" PG in the sense of Rondo/Rubio because he can shoot and score but, he's trained in Europe which is old school NBA PG basically. Which is completely relevant.

IDK...That's what I get out of it.

Yes you understand that I want to say, In Europe Pg are trained like old nba PG with Fundamentals because Europe is more traditional. That's we need and Kp need in my opinion ( him was trained in Europe too with same Fundamentals), Mitchell is a good player too but knicks try to find a new identity and we have lots of Euros in the team, clearly this team need an euro PG ( I want to say an old NBA PG style and Frank is this guy).
Jack for example is the mentor and his profil is close to Frank. Not coincidence.

Let all this Young guys develop. I think all the lottery teams (maybe just portland miss their choice) next year have made the right choice with their rookies.

Which kind of explains why Frank doesn't have the scoring mentality. He can shoot. He just doesn't look to because he has been pass first for years. His scoring has not been a big part of his development yet. Which bodes well going forward if he can put it all together.

[Marty McFly]

Mitchell is the guy i thought could prove to be a paul george/kawhi type of draft pick in terms of value late in the lotto, but I'm trying to understand the purpose of this thread. are some of you guys going to do this every time someone selected after frank shows a pulse?

[Jalen Bluntson]

Mitchell is the guy i thought could prove to be a paul george/kawhi type of draft pick in terms of value late in the lotto, but I'm trying to understand the purpose of this thread. are some of you guys going to do this every time someone selected ahead of frank shows a pulse?

No...just every player selected after Frank. Especially PGs apparently. Remember the DSJ thread? Monk hasn't gotten a thread yet. I'm sure if he has a good 2 game stretch we will see one.

[symbiotic]

I could only imagine the pitchforks & apoplectic RAGE this board would have had if Donovan Mitchell was selected at #8

Are some people saying that they wished the Knicks traded down to select Donovan Mitchell or select him at #8?

[thebuzzardman]

Mitchell is the guy i thought could prove to be a paul george/kawhi type of draft pick in terms of value late in the lotto, but I'm trying to understand the purpose of this thread. are some of you guys going to do this every time someone selected ahead of frank shows a pulse?

You know the answer is yes

[thebuzzardman]

Mitchell was my next choice after Frank,though I think I wavered once or twice and wanted Monk or Kennard.

Actually, without looking my the draft thread, I recall wanting Monk, Smith, Frank, Mitchell and Kennard, in about that order, but came around to Frank > Monk when folks convinced me Monks defense at SG would be an issue and he really couldn't transition to PG. Even then it was close. Started to lean towards Frank based on Euro make up of the team.

Anyway, I think that Frank will be sort of polarizing for a while, with fans breaking into several categories

Generally satisfied with his game (assumes an uptick in shot making and aggressiveness)
Think he's ok but not totally thrilled that he isn't more offensively dominant. (Don't he ever becomes that way, even after a steep improvement on this year)
The disappointed and the 20/20 hindsight club who will continuously hype and rant over the couple of guys picked after him who are good.

[GONYK]

Mitchell is the guy i thought could prove to be a paul george/kawhi type of draft pick in terms of value late in the lotto, but I'm trying to understand the purpose of this thread. are some of you guys going to do this every time someone selected ahead of frank shows a pulse?

No...just every player selected after Frank. Especially PGs apparently. Remember the DSJ thread? Monk hasn't gotten a thread yet. I'm sure if he has a good 2 game stretch we will see one.

Mitchell isn't really a PG though

[Jalen Bluntson]

Mitchell is the guy i thought could prove to be a paul george/kawhi type of draft pick in terms of value late in the lotto, but I'm trying to understand the purpose of this thread. are some of you guys going to do this every time someone selected ahead of frank shows a pulse?

No...just every player selected after Frank. Especially PGs apparently. Remember the DSJ thread? Monk hasn't gotten a thread yet. I'm sure if he has a good 2 game stretch we will see one.

Mitchell isn't really a PG though

I have only seen highlights and when he played us. Is he playing SG or PG? Not that it matters....the threads will still follow.

[dakomish23]

I want to know whether the FO even knew DEN was willing to trade the pick.

Probably not. Very disappointed that we did not make any moves to get an extra pick in the last two drafts on draft night.

[HarthorneWingo]

No...just every player selected after Frank. Especially PGs apparently. Remember the DSJ thread? Monk hasn't gotten a thread yet. I'm sure if he has a good 2 game stretch we will see one.

Mitchell isn't really a PG though

I have only seen highlights and when he played us. Is he playing SG or PG? Not that it matters....the threads will still follow.

SG. He's definitely a SG.

[HEZI]

Look, I don't really care about what is traditional in Europe, it means absolutely nothing when talking about the NBA. It's irrelevant. So if your assessment of a what a PG is and isn't stems from European standards, then this argument can just end right there because it means nothing in regards to a discussion about the NBA. The best PG's in the NBA would not be considered "traditional" or "true PG's" by these European standards (which are actually outdated NBA standards) . Also, please don't tell me to be patient, you got the wrong one here since I've been preaching patience with Frank from the very beginning. This has nothing to do with patience, I addressed you on a specific claim you made about who is a "true PG" so stick to that subject.

I think you 2 agree. Just seems like a language barrier. It was difficult reading his post but, I thought he was saying that Frank is NOT a "true" PG in the sense of Rondo/Rubio because he can shoot and score but, he's trained in Europe which is old school NBA PG basically. Which is completely relevant.

IDK...That's what I get out of it.

Yes you understand that I want to say, In Europe Pg are trained like old nba PG with Fundamentals because Europe is more traditional. That's we need and Kp need in my opinion ( him was trained in Europe too with same Fundamentals), Mitchell is a good player too but knicks try to find a new identity and we have lots of Euros in the team, clearly this team need an euro PG ( I want to say an old NBA PG style and Frank is this guy).
Jack for example is the mentor and his profil is close to Frank. Not coincidence.

Let all this Young guys develop. I think all the lottery teams (maybe just portland miss their choice) next year have made the right choice with their rookies.

See this is where all this becomes so confusing to me that it eventually becomes just a bunch of nonsense. The reality is that US has more talent, simple and plain. People can try to make up these silly excuses for why things are the way they are but when we get down to the nitty gritty, it's really simple. Europe doesn't have basketball developmental programs like the NCAA, there isn't one fundamental aspect of the game that Frank was taught in France which Donovan Mitchell wasn't taught by Pitino in Louisville. European PGs aren't coming into the NBA with any more fundamentally advanced knowledge of the game than the kids who come from college. It's all about individuals and who they are, how hard they work, what they want to become and so on. There are plenty of US developed PGs who struggle to score but can pass or they struggle to pass but can score or they can do both. It's false to assume that just because a guy has ability to score that it must mean that it's all he's been taught and he must lack fundamental understanding of the game.

[Greenie]

Mitchell is the guy i thought could prove to be a paul george/kawhi type of draft pick in terms of value late in the lotto, but I'm trying to understand the purpose of this thread. are some of you guys going to do this every time someone selected ahead of frank shows a pulse?

You mean selected after, right?

[Sark]

When Bam Adebayo had a good Summer League game, this board had regrets.

[blanko]

I don't think a shoot first guard Ala a d rose clone is a good fit with kp.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I think you 2 agree. Just seems like a language barrier. It was difficult reading his post but, I thought he was saying that Frank is NOT a "true" PG in the sense of Rondo/Rubio because he can shoot and score but, he's trained in Europe which is old school NBA PG basically. Which is completely relevant.

IDK...That's what I get out of it.

Yes you understand that I want to say, In Europe Pg are trained like old nba PG with Fundamentals because Europe is more traditional. That's we need and Kp need in my opinion ( him was trained in Europe too with same Fundamentals), Mitchell is a good player too but knicks try to find a new identity and we have lots of Euros in the team, clearly this team need an euro PG ( I want to say an old NBA PG style and Frank is this guy).
Jack for example is the mentor and his profil is close to Frank. Not coincidence.

Let all this Young guys develop. I think all the lottery teams (maybe just portland miss their choice) next year have made the right choice with their rookies.

See this is where all this becomes so confusing to me that it eventually becomes just a bunch of nonsense. The reality is that US has more talent, simple and plain. People can try to make up these silly excuses for why things are the way they are but when we get down to the nitty gritty, it's really simple. Europe doesn't have basketball developmental programs like the NCAA, there isn't one fundamental aspect of the game that Frank was taught in France which Donovan Mitchell wasn't taught by Pitino in Louisville. European PGs aren't coming into the NBA with any more fundamentally advanced knowledge of the game than the kids who come from college. It's all about individuals and who they are, how hard they work, what they want to become and so on. There are plenty of US developed PGs who struggle to score but can pass or they struggle to pass but can score or they can do both. It's false to assume that just because a guy has ability to score that it must mean that it's all he's been taught and he must lack fundamental understanding of the game.

You definitely are missing the point. No one said anything you just posted.

[Clyde_Style]

Mitchell would've died for sure if Phil fell asleep on him.

That's a lot of man

[HEZI]

Yes you understand that I want to say, In Europe Pg are trained like old nba PG with Fundamentals because Europe is more traditional. That's we need and Kp need in my opinion ( him was trained in Europe too with same Fundamentals), Mitchell is a good player too but knicks try to find a new identity and we have lots of Euros in the team, clearly this team need an euro PG ( I want to say an old NBA PG style and Frank is this guy).
Jack for example is the mentor and his profil is close to Frank. Not coincidence.

Let all this Young guys develop. I think all the lottery teams (maybe just portland miss their choice) next year have made the right choice with their rookies.

See this is where all this becomes so confusing to me that it eventually becomes just a bunch of nonsense. The reality is that US has more talent, simple and plain. People can try to make up these silly excuses for why things are the way they are but when we get down to the nitty gritty, it's really simple. Europe doesn't have basketball developmental programs like the NCAA, there isn't one fundamental aspect of the game that Frank was taught in France which Donovan Mitchell wasn't taught by Pitino in Louisville. European PGs aren't coming into the NBA with any more fundamentally advanced knowledge of the game than the kids who come from college. It's all about individuals and who they are, how hard they work, what they want to become and so on. There are plenty of US developed PGs who struggle to score but can pass or they struggle to pass but can score or they can do both. It's false to assume that just because a guy has ability to score that it must mean that it's all he's been taught and he must lack fundamental understanding of the game.

You definitely are missing the point. No one said anything you just posted.

In his own words he specifically said

In Europe Pg are trained like old nba PG with Fundamentals because Europe is more traditional.

Mitchell is a good player too but knicks try to find a new identity and we have lots of Euros in the team, clearly this team need an euro PG ( I want to say an old NBA PG style and Frank is this guy).

What point am I missing here?