PG Thread: On the flipside, even though what we do is wrong, there's levels to this tank. The truth!(remi recap pg 19)

[whocares1]

People make so many excuses for Frank. Kinda don't get it. Can't remember any young Knicks player getting such a leash.

Let's be honest. He's not looking good.

who is saying frank is looking good?

People don't wanna say it right out they make excuses for it, which is my point. Usually by year two expectations go way up with Knicks fans but with Frank things seem different.

He gets a pass because he plays defense. You don’t get criticized for being trash offensively if you play defense because...hey at least he plays defense.

[MaseInYourFace]

Somebody tell that to Frank.

he forces shots too now, just less then then others because it's not in his nature. he has to create for himself mostly and he's not that good at it.

But Fiz is encouraging him to chuck so if Frank is well aware of this and doesn’t chuck, then he’s seemingly telling us he doesn’t want to play.

I doubt he's telling him to chuck but Frank is hesitant to even take good open shots or look for mismatches.

[Jeff Van Gully]

who is saying frank is looking good?

People don't wanna say it right out they make excuses for it, which is my point. Usually by year two expectations go way up with Knicks fans but with Frank things seem different.

He gets a pass because he plays defense. You don’t get criticized for being trash offensively if you play defense because...hey at least he plays defense.

again... who says anything other than him being a great defensive player and bad offensive player at the moment? define "pass." and who are you talking about?

all this us vs. them into the wind is getting old af.

[K_ick_God]

it's encouraged. why would they stop ?

But at some level the whole modern game stuff is misguided and kind of a sign of the decline of the times.

the modern game is not everybody calling their own number, hardly shooting 3s and post ups for a big man. quite the opposite.

All I know is that for whatever reason — and there are a few — passing and fundamentals and team play have been receding since the 1970s. Slowly but surely. The game is too easy for these big guys. There’s some lack of need for passing.

It’s not all coaching philosophy and scoring but the game is lesser than it was as a real competitive pursuit that requires team play to be successful.

Still need it. But some bad lessons have been learned and/or the game has been mastered too much and/or dominated too much by offensive advantages.

There’s also the simple fact that 3s are up a lot.

[MaseInYourFace]

who is saying frank is looking good?

People don't wanna say it right out they make excuses for it, which is my point. Usually by year two expectations go way up with Knicks fans but with Frank things seem different.

He gets a pass because he plays defense. You don’t get criticized for being trash offensively if you play defense because...hey at least he plays defense.

Well he shouldn't. The only guys who get that pass are all world defenders. Frank hasn't earned that yet and he might not ever.

[Jeff Van Gully]

he forces shots too now, just less then then others because it's not in his nature. he has to create for himself mostly and he's not that good at it.

But Fiz is encouraging him to chuck so if Frank is well aware of this and doesn’t chuck, then he’s seemingly telling us he doesn’t want to play.

I doubt he's telling him to chuck but Frank is hesitant to even take good open shots or look for mismatches.

he's even missing the good open shots he does take. kid couldn't hit the broad side of a barn right now.

[Jeff Van Gully]

But at some level the whole modern game stuff is misguided and kind of a sign of the decline of the times.

the modern game is not everybody calling their own number, hardly shooting 3s and post ups for a big man. quite the opposite.

All I know is that for whatever reason — and there are a few — passing and fundamentals and team play have been receding since the 1970s. Slowly but surely. The game is too easy for this big guys. There’s some lack of need for passing.

It’s not all coaching philosophy and scoring but the game is lesser than it was as a real competitive pursuit that requires team play to be successful.

Still need it. But some bad lessons are being leaner and/or the game has been mastered too much and/or dominated too much by offensive advantages.

the good teams move the ball well. at one point i believe the sixers had 30 assists on like 41 of their baskets.

meanwhile, the knicks are always at a maddeningly low assist rate that suggests we don't move the ball, move without the ball, run plays that promote offensive cohesion...

[MaseInYourFace]

I think Frank's lack of lift is an issue on his jumper too. That jumper was flatter than a pancake tonight.

[JBreezeNY]

Somebody tell that to Frank.

he forces shots too now, just less then then others because it's not in his nature. he has to create for himself mostly and he's not that good at it.

But Fiz is encouraging him to chuck so if Frank is well aware of this and doesn’t chuck, then he’s seemingly telling us he doesn’t want to play.

Which means he needs to get the **** outta here for his own good.

He can go to a team that will better utilize him but at a price of a first rounder and a 2nd.

Does that sound ridiculous? Possibly which means Frank you ain’t going anywhere, you’re our bitch to own and you ain’t leaving until we’re done with you.

[god shammgod]

if frank ends up being a bust then he does. what can you do ? do you think we can get a lottery pick right now ? i don't. so hope he comes around. nothing else to do. you'd be selling low now.

[Monk1718]

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[K_ick_God]

We should get an offensive coach. This is not a lot of movement. The only shots we get are 1 on 1. Let’s ... and this may sound crazy ... put in an offense.

[god shammgod]

truth is, if it wasn't only a month and change into his nba career, this board would be more worried about knox than frank. this time next year he better have figured some things out.

[prophet_of_rage]

We need to set Frank free so he can go to the spurs to turn into Jrue

Have you seen the Spurs this year?

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[Adelheid]

What is Keith Smart supposed to coach? Genuinely curious

[K_ick_God]

You do get the feeling Faultz is about to be traded.

[K_ick_God]

What is Keith Smart supposed to coach? Genuinely curious

He is designing the 1 on 1 chucks.

[MaseInYourFace]

You do get the feeling Faultz is about to be traded.

I think it's only a matter of time. They are on a different timeline now.

[TheGreenArrow]

truth is, if it wasn't only a month and change into his nba career, this board would be more worried about knox than frank. this time next year he better have figured some things out.

He won't be here next year anyway.

The Knicks will trade him and frank for wall or somebody like that.

[TheGreenArrow]

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This regime and fizdale in particular are a bunch of frauds.

Accountability my A**!!!!!!!