College/Draft Thread Part 5 - NCAA Tournament Edition - Knicks #1 Baby!!!

[god shammgod]

he's got 16 assists and could have easily had 20+ with all the wide open shots he got guys

[god shammgod]

well damn

[djkinetic]

If we don't get Zion u take Morant and run.

[drekwins]

[quote="K-DOT"]I mean, I still don't see star in Ja. He's a great athlete and playmaker

But he's the Kevin Knox of PGs when it comes to defense. I just can't get behind that in a top 3 pick

Plus there's legitimate concerns about his shooting

I think a lot of the hype is due to pretty much everyone else except Zion disappointing. I feel the same way about him I felt about Trae last year. I see the points for him, but I don't want to be the one taking the gamble[/quote

How is he much different than DeAron Fox? Russell Westbrook? Jrue? His numbers are pretty much on par with all of the other guys his age. Recently, the only stars who were clear cut great shooting PGs were Curry (who had even more concerns in other areas), Kyrie (#1 pick) and to a lesser extent, Young (not as good efficiency as the others).

He's a legit big time prospect.

[Capn'O]

I mean, I still don't see star in Ja. He's a great athlete and playmaker

But he's the Kevin Knox of PGs when it comes to defense. I just can't get behind that in a top 3 pick

Plus there's legitimate concerns about his shooting

I think a lot of the hype is due to pretty much everyone else except Zion disappointing. I feel the same way about him I felt about Trae last year. I see the points for him, but I don't want to be the one taking the gamble

Cmon man. When did you turn on a Kentucky game and say "this guy is just dominating?"

And Trae is having a hell of a rookie year.

[kane]

If we don’t get zion and face it we probably won’t id be happy with ja

[NYKHardKnock]

27.6% chance at top 2. I like our odds at a top 3 pick even though odds are against us.

[Fat]

Idk what ppl keep saying he can’t shoot he was making harden stepback 3s this game and you can work on shooting

no he made (one) james harden stepback 3 lol thats not enough for me. he will be forced to put up more jumpers at the next level and prove to be a respectable shooter.

He's a driver that can make plays at this point which is fine because hes really good at it but he still needs to develop his perimeter game.

[DOT]

I mean, I still don't see star in Ja. He's a great athlete and playmaker

But he's the Kevin Knox of PGs when it comes to defense. I just can't get behind that in a top 3 pick

Plus there's legitimate concerns about his shooting

I think a lot of the hype is due to pretty much everyone else except Zion disappointing. I feel the same way about him I felt about Trae last year. I see the points for him, but I don't want to be the one taking the gamble

Cmon man. When did you turn on a Kentucky game and say "this guy is just dominating?"

And Trae is having a hell of a rookie year.

I'm talking about his defense when comparing him to Knox. I don't want to take a guy in the top 3 that legitimately doesn't care about half the game

And yeah, Trae's playing a lot better than I expected. That doesn't mean Morant is gonna be the same way

[mpharris36]

I think Morant is jumping over RJ Barrett right now especially if a team needs a PG. I have my concerns again about the outside shot translating and the defense. But Russell Westbrook is a similar type athlete and Ja has better vision then him.

[drekwins]

Zion is the clear cut one. There's still a race for 2 between RJ and Ja though. Garland, Hunter and Culver will battle for the next few spots. After Zion, I really like Garland and Ja. If the Knicks think Ja can develop the shot, I want him. If they work him out and don't think he can, I want Garland. I think Garland is a sure fire 20pt per game guy that fits the modern game like a glove. I also have no doubt that he will be highly efficient and a playmaker who can play the 2 just as well as the 1. He is not a natural great passer though. He's in the Lillard/Mark Price mold.

[HerSports85]

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[DOT]

I mean, I still don't see star in Ja. He's a great athlete and playmaker

But he's the Kevin Knox of PGs when it comes to defense. I just can't get behind that in a top 3 pick

Plus there's legitimate concerns about his shooting

I think a lot of the hype is due to pretty much everyone else except Zion disappointing. I feel the same way about him I felt about Trae last year. I see the points for him, but I don't want to be the one taking the gamble

shooting is such an important skill in the modern nba but it is something guys develop. it is a risk though. zion can't shoot either to be fair.

The difference in my opinion is the type of jumpers

Zion's only gonna have to shoot off the catch, he's not really gonna have to create his own 3 pointer

But your primary ball handler has to be able to hit shots off the dribble, which I'd say is a harder skill to develop than catch and shoot jumpers

Ja's high risk, not much higher reward

[drekwins]

I mean, I still don't see star in Ja. He's a great athlete and playmaker

But he's the Kevin Knox of PGs when it comes to defense. I just can't get behind that in a top 3 pick

Plus there's legitimate concerns about his shooting

I think a lot of the hype is due to pretty much everyone else except Zion disappointing. I feel the same way about him I felt about Trae last year. I see the points for him, but I don't want to be the one taking the gamble

shooting is such an important skill in the modern nba but it is something guys develop. it is a risk though. zion can't shoot either to be fair.

The difference in my opinion is the type of jumpers

Zion's only gonna have to shoot off the catch, he's not really gonna have to create his own 3 pointer

But your primary ball handler has to be able to hit shots off the dribble, which I'd say is a harder skill to develop than catch and shoot jumpers

Ja's high risk, not much higher reward

not much higher reward, compared to who? Garland or RJ?

[Tron Carter]

sometimes special performances force you to re evaluate. I been critical of ja like many others but when he steps up on a national stage like that, when all the spotlight and pressure is on him, you have to give it up. he has to have something special in him.

[F N 11]

Wouldn’t be mad with JA tbh. For me it’s been him or Zion. Scared of RJ but wouldn’t mind him either lol.

[DOT]

shooting is such an important skill in the modern nba but it is something guys develop. it is a risk though. zion can't shoot either to be fair.

The difference in my opinion is the type of jumpers

Zion's only gonna have to shoot off the catch, he's not really gonna have to create his own 3 pointer

But your primary ball handler has to be able to hit shots off the dribble, which I'd say is a harder skill to develop than catch and shoot jumpers

Ja's high risk, not much higher reward

not much higher reward, compared to who? Garland or RJ?

Garland, RJ, and in my opinion Culver and Hunter

That's my big problem with this draft is nobody really looks like a future star to me

All those guys I listed plus a few more have about equal chance to be really good players, so I'd rather take the guy I see as having a lower bust potential, especially cause we already have a guy who has a good chance to be a really good player at PG in DSJ and we're targeting Kyrie

I'm just against taking a PG unless he's an absolute stud, which I don't see in Ja.

[Capn'O]

I mean, I still don't see star in Ja. He's a great athlete and playmaker

But he's the Kevin Knox of PGs when it comes to defense. I just can't get behind that in a top 3 pick

Plus there's legitimate concerns about his shooting

I think a lot of the hype is due to pretty much everyone else except Zion disappointing. I feel the same way about him I felt about Trae last year. I see the points for him, but I don't want to be the one taking the gamble

Cmon man. When did you turn on a Kentucky game and say "this guy is just dominating?"

And Trae is having a hell of a rookie year.

I'm talking about his defense when comparing him to Knox. I don't want to take a guy in the top 3 that legitimately doesn't care about half the game

And yeah, Trae's playing a lot better than I expected. That doesn't mean Morant is gonna be the same way

Sure, but that comparison is laden with other implications. Knox is only a scorer and Ja is gonna impact the game as a guy that impacts the entire set AND he's grabbing the defensive board and pushing.

Imo, a PG that can control a game like he can is a really rare thing. Plus, he's getting steals and blocks and stuff so there's some awareness there. KJ or Steve Nash weren't great defenders but you could hide them in team sets. I would absolutely take either of them 2nd in this draft.

[kane]

Idk what ppl keep saying he can’t shoot he was making harden stepback 3s this game and you can work on shooting

no he made (one) james harden stepback 3 lol thats not enough for me. he will be forced to put up more jumpers at the next level and prove to be a respectable shooter.

He's a driver that can make plays at this point which is fine because hes really good at it but he still needs to develop his perimeter game.

I saw at least two!

[DOT]

Cmon man. When did you turn on a Kentucky game and say "this guy is just dominating?"

And Trae is having a hell of a rookie year.

I'm talking about his defense when comparing him to Knox. I don't want to take a guy in the top 3 that legitimately doesn't care about half the game

And yeah, Trae's playing a lot better than I expected. That doesn't mean Morant is gonna be the same way

Sure, but that comparison is laden with other implications. Knox is only a scorer and Ja is gonna impact the game as a guy that impacts the entire set AND he's grabbing the defensive board and pushing.

Imo, a PG that can control a game like he can is a really rare thing. Plus, he's getting steals and blocks and stuff. KJ or Steve Nash weren't great defenders but you could hide them in team sets. I would absolutely take either of them 2nd in this draft.

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Or maybe I'm just bluffing and I'm gonna take Ja in BAF?

I dunno Cap, I just feel like we get so few chances at a legit top pick that I want us to absolutely nail it. I absolutely see how he could be good, but I just don't love the idea of investing a top 3 pick into him, plus, you could make the argument that KJ and Nash were never the best players on their teams, and they never won a ship, they were just good, not great teams