Offseason Thread: The Waiting is the Hardest Part

[thebuzzardman]

As opposed to getting assets for him now and maxing out a more proven player then turning those assets into something else later?

Still yes, because we will be in development mode next year and we can get better assets through the draft, younger players fit our timeline better, all our players are multiple years away from where we need to be, there's no reason to sign a more proven player

We really talking about a 23 vs 21 year old right now? Like a 23 year old doesnt fit our timeline now?

If you get a pick for DSJ that's another draft asset so you lose nothing there. We got a bunch of picks over the next few years anyway that would just add more to it while in the meantime actually trying to build a team. Tanking is dead especially with the new odds so I hope we arent looking to do that again

DLo fits the timeline. He might even be "good". He's going to get paid like "great" (a feature of the NBA CBA). It's not a mistake IF DLo turns out to be great. But the FO better be damn sure, because he's now occupying a spot that a potentially great player could later on, for 4 years. Kind of a risk.

As posted earlier, what if DSJr turns out to have similar production? He might not. So, they can a) Pay him less b) Pay him significantly less c) See him asked to be paid like DLo and tell him to take a hike.

[robillionaire]

The difference between keeping DSJR and singing D Lo is ...

DSJR still gives us the ability to sign 2 max cats for 2 years while developing with our young core. And if he become a star we can go over the cap to re-sign him

You sign DLO ands we only have, maybe 40 mil.

I asked this question earlier but ill ask again, who's coming? What max cats? The one dude who wanted to come is damaged now. The only other one worth talking about is AD. Nobody else is moving the needle.

The summer 2021 free agent class could be the best in nba history

[thebuzzardman]

Kawhi.

thebuzzardman's fantasy is fine and all, but actually really wrong, I think, after chewing it all over.

It would be terrible for Kawhi and for all of us wanting to see the soulless destroyer ring again. And terrible for the Knicks because: why 35-45 wins? What's the point?

There's more suffering to be done aorn. There has to be more internal development before trying to jump to the answers at the end of the book.

Which variation of off season plan are you referencing?

Kawhi and Butler?
Kawhi and Kyrie?
Kawhi and Durant and Durant sits for a year?
Kawhi and Oubre and WCS? (Knicks probably have too many wings for Oubre)
Kawhi and Randle?

I've proposed a bunch of different stuff around a Kawhi signing, though I think the original one was Kawhi and KD, and KD sits a year

I'd take 40 wins and loss of pick position waiting KD to recover. It's risky though. I "think" Kawhi and Kyrie or Butler is better now

[HEZI]

The difference between keeping DSJR and singing D Lo is ...

DSJR still gives us the ability to sign 2 max cats for 2 years while developing with our young core. And if he become a star we can go over the cap to re-sign him

You sign DLO ands we only have, maybe 40 mil.

I asked this question earlier but ill ask again, who's coming? What max cats? The one dude who wanted to come is damaged now. The only other one worth talking about is AD. Nobody else is moving the needle.

The summer 2021 free agent class could be the best in nba history

2 years from now?

Lets calm down and not look that far ahead. It took one playoff injury to fuq up our entire 2019 plan, so much more can happen by 2021 to fuq up whatever other plan we might think we have

[Richard4444]

The difference between keeping DSJR and singing D Lo is ...

DSJR still gives us the ability to sign 2 max cats for 2 years while developing with our young core. And if he become a star we can go over the cap to re-sign him

You sign DLO ands we only have, maybe 40 mil.

Which Max Cat would you bring to play with DSJr? Durant and Butler? Tobias and Butler? They may not be patient enough to let our core to develop. The Front Office would be pressed to trade the young core for a third star. Otherwise, Butler could ask for a trade...

[robillionaire]

I asked this question earlier but ill ask again, who's coming? What max cats? The one dude who wanted to come is damaged now. The only other one worth talking about is AD. Nobody else is moving the needle.

The summer 2021 free agent class could be the best in nba history

2 years from now?

Lets calm down and not look that far ahead. It took one playoff injury to fuq up our entire 2019 plan, so much more can happen by 2021 to fuq up whatever other plan we might think we have

It's a rebuild and the management claims they want to do it the right way. 2 years is being optimistic about the timeframe it should take for these guys to be a decent enough team to make it worth dishing out max contracts to anybody

[robillionaire]

Probably just go after Randle but only less than the max. If no Randle then just sign 1 year deals and tank

i wouldn't bring him in for more than a 2 year deal and I like Randle

I feel u. I’m cool with missing out on Randle

I mean if he would be cool with 2 years of a high salary or maybe even a year 3 team option I'd probably go for that but he will probably want a longer term deal

[iLLmatic860]

The difference between keeping DSJR and singing D Lo is ...

DSJR still gives us the ability to sign 2 max cats for 2 years while developing with our young core. And if he become a star we can go over the cap to re-sign him

You sign DLO ands we only have, maybe 40 mil.

I asked this question earlier but ill ask again, who's coming? What max cats? The one dude who wanted to come is damaged now. The only other one worth talking about is AD. Nobody else is moving the needle.

The summer 2021 free agent class could be the best in nba history

Whats so great about it?

We not getting Greek

[thebuzzardman]

I asked this question earlier but ill ask again, who's coming? What max cats? The one dude who wanted to come is damaged now. The only other one worth talking about is AD. Nobody else is moving the needle.

The summer 2021 free agent class could be the best in nba history

2 years from now?

Lets calm down and not look that far ahead. It took one playoff injury to fuq up our entire 2019 plan, so much more can happen by 2021 to fuq up whatever other plan we might think we have

So, because the future is unknown, the team should abandon cap flexibility this year - they should spend it all right now, even if it's players they might not feel are worthy of the contract?

I mean, you are advocating for DLo to get 2/5ths of their space, or whatever it is. Why stop? Who knows what might happen - so they should spend it all - lock up Tobias Harris and Middleton too

DLo\DSJr\Frank
Middleton\Trier
Knox\RJ
Harris\Mario
Mitch\DJ

How many wins? How deep in the playoffs the next 4 years? Obviously DSJr and Frank could drop off, guys picked around 20 could replace them via the draft

[captvict]

Kawhi ain’t coming. Book it. Only dude I see the Fo considering now is Randle

Dsj
RJ
Iggy. (You heard it here he will be starting by January)
Randle
Deandre. (Will return on 1 + 1 team option)

45 wins

[HEZI]

The summer 2021 free agent class could be the best in nba history

2 years from now?

Lets calm down and not look that far ahead. It took one playoff injury to fuq up our entire 2019 plan, so much more can happen by 2021 to fuq up whatever other plan we might think we have

It's a rebuild and the management claims they want to do it the right way. 2 years is being optimistic about the timeframe it should take for these guys to be a decent enough team to make it worth dishing out max contracts to anybody

The FO already has its sights set on AD in 2020 so it's not going to take 2 years before they are ready to sign somebody. I don't get how signing a 23 year old All Star who brings something we desperately need is going away from the rebuild or even away from chasing a max cat next year or even 2 years from now if need be. We got enough room for two max cats now, if we sign one max this summer we still have room to add another piece later down the road.

[robillionaire]

Kawhi ain’t coming. Book it. Only dude I see the Fo considering now is Randle

Dsj
RJ
Iggy. (You heard it here he will be starting by January)
Randle
Deandre. (Will return on 1 + 1 team option)

45 wins

That could be true but on what planet does that team win 45 games

[HEZI]

This is why I brought up Porzingis because when it was talked about resigning him to a 150 mil max deal, nobody was saying that the rebuild was abandoned. Now you replace him with another 23 year old who plays a different position but brings just as much if not more impact and all of a sudden we are going away from the initial plan? Just doesn't make sense but whatever

[br7knicks]

lol people think this is aau ....you have to play defense and Kyrie's defense is not good...

yeah, not sure why people would want kyrie on the knicks. he'd do more harm than good. not sure if that's what the OP was saying, though.

i was just correcting the notion, belief, or myth, that kyrie is better than conley at basketball

I've yet to find an article or evidence that Conley is a better PG... but okay. And for the record I never petitioned Kyrie to the Knicks (especially as the lone FA signing- talk about epic fail!).

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/washington-wizards/top-10-point-guards-nba-right-now-steph-curry-russell-westbrook-golden-state-warriors-los-angeles-clippers-washington-wizards#slide-1

https://uproxx.com/dimemag/best-points-guards-nba-ranked-stephen-curry-kyrie-irving-russell-westbrook/3/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2792524-ranking-nbas-top-15-point-guards-entering-2018-19-season.amp.html

offense wins seats

[K_ick_God]

I wasn’t talking about Ant. I was talking about just shutting KP down with some physical play from some guy half a foot shorter.

[god shammgod]

this thread is terrible, i blame capn'o. maybe lock it, start a new one and pretend it never happened.

[Richard4444]

The difference between keeping DSJR and singing D Lo is ...

DSJR still gives us the ability to sign 2 max cats for 2 years while developing with our young core. And if he become a star we can go over the cap to re-sign him

You sign DLO ands we only have, maybe 40 mil.

I asked this question earlier but ill ask again, who's coming? What max cats? The one dude who wanted to come is damaged now. The only other one worth talking about is AD. Nobody else is moving the needle.

The summer 2021 free agent class could be the best in nba history

I have many doubts about how many players will become FA in 2021. The majority of names will ask for a trade or get a extension with his current teams. It is very risk business to keep a future FA player in your roster rooting for his reassignment. This year was a exception because teams like GSW, Toronto, Philadelphia and Bucks took major risks.

Anyway, we would have to package Frank and DSJr do take advantage of summer 2021. Theirs cap holds are 18,5M and 17M respectively if we dont get a more cheap extension.

[Handledatruth]

Kawhi ain’t coming. Book it. Only dude I see the Fo considering now is Randle

Dsj
RJ
Iggy. (You heard it here he will be starting by January)
Randle
Deandre. (Will return on 1 + 1 team option)

45 wins

So Mitch and Knox ride the bench? I don’t understand the point of drafting for potential if we limit unfinished products. May as well have drafted Bridges if we did not want put time in developing Knox.

[waya]

Yes to Dlo, hell no to Randle

[robillionaire]

2 years from now?

Lets calm down and not look that far ahead. It took one playoff injury to fuq up our entire 2019 plan, so much more can happen by 2021 to fuq up whatever other plan we might think we have

It's a rebuild and the management claims they want to do it the right way. 2 years is being optimistic about the timeframe it should take for these guys to be a decent enough team to make it worth dishing out max contracts to anybody

The FO already has its sights set on AD in 2020 so it's not going to take 2 years before they are ready to sign somebody. I don't get how signing a 23 year old All Star who brings something we desperately need is going away from the rebuild or even away from chasing a max cat next year or even 2 years from now if need be. We got enough room for two max cats now, if we sign one max this summer we still have room to add another piece later down the road.

I was just addressing your hypothetical scenario with DSJ. Let's say it takes DSJ 2 more years but by the end of 2021 he's really good and wants the max. Let's be fair about the timeframe, this is how long it took DLo to get it together. So because DSJ was still developing in 2020 you've probably got a good draft pick that summer to add to the core. Then you can sign 2 max cats (either AD in summer 2020 (let's be real he's staying in LA) and 1 more 2021 or 2 in 2021) and you can still go over the cap to re-sign your home grown talent in DSJ to basically have a big 3. In the DLo scenario as you say, you can sign him for 4 years and still have room to sign 1 more max in 2020 or 2021, but the 2020 draft pick is probably worse since DLo is already established, and then you only have 1 max spot open. The first scenario where DSJ becomes a good player and asks for the max is much better.

With that said, I think there's a slim chance DSJ ever becomes good enough to ask for the max