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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#121 » by Zenzibar » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:25 pm

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Is The Coronavirus Really More Dangerous Than The Flu?

Is The Coronavirus Really More Dangerous Than The Flu?

Today the financial markets finally recognized the economic damage the novel Coronavirus will cause.

The price war in the crude oil markets which Russia initiated did not cause today's stock market fall but it also did not help. While cheap oil is supposed to be good for the economy the drop will also cause significant damage in the U.S. financial markets as the whole fracking industry in the United States is laden with debt and is now destined to be wiped out. Expect crude prices to sink to $20 per barrel as frantic overproduction and a drop in demand due to the virus coincide. Russia is well positioned to win this price war. Others are not.

It is the virus pandemic that causes the downturn in stock markets. But what makes the Sars-CoV-2 virus, as the novel Coronavirus is now officially known, so dangerous? The Covid-19 disease the virus causes is basically a flu though its seems to be one of the more severe kinds.

But it is a totally NEW kind of flu and that makes all the difference.

Each year some 15% of the world population will be infected with one or more of the dozens of flu viruses we know. The people get ill and most will recover while they also develop some immunity against the specific virus they were infected with. Over the years this sums up to a basic immunity level within our societies. So many people already had a flu from the well known viruses that most of them will not get infected during another flu season. We have also developed vaccines against the most well known viruses. They help to keep the people who work in health care on their job even when many new flu patients come in.

But when a new viruses evolves everything is different. Our societies do not have a basic immunity against a new virus. Without countermeasures many more people will get sick during the first, second and third wave of a new virus onslaught than during a normal flu season. Health care staff will also get infected and must quarantine itself. Some health care workers will probably die. Hospitals will become overwhelmed and the health care system will break down just as it did in Wuhan, China. The breakdown of the health care system also leads to a much larger number of virus death than under a working health care system.

Here is a surgeon in Bergamo, Italy, describing such a situation:

The cases multiply, up to a rate of 15-20 hospitalizations a day all for the same reason. The results of the swabs now come one after the other: positive, positive, positive. Suddenly the emergency room is collapsing. Emergency provisions are issued: help is needed in the emergency room. A quick meeting to learn how the to use to emergency room EHR and a few minutes later I'm already downstairs, next to the warriors on the war front. The screen of the PC with the chief complaint is always the same: fever and respiratory difficulty, fever and cough, respiratory insufficiency etc ... Exams, radiology always with the same sentence: bilateral interstitial pneumonia. All needs to be hospitalized. Some already need to be intubated, and go to the ICU. For others, however, it is late. ICU is full, and when ICUs are full, more are created. Each ventilator is like gold: those in the operating rooms that have now suspended their non-urgent activity are used and the OR become an ICU that did not exist before.

The current case fatality rate in Lombardy has now topped 6%. We know from China (ex Hubei province) that in a functioning health care system the death rate of Covid-19 patients is lower than 1%. It is not the virus that kills more people in Italy, it is an overwhelmed health care system.

A health care system that is overwhelmed with Covid-19 cases can also no longer take care of regular cases. People with an acute heart attack, with diabetes problems, or kids who have fallen off a bicycle will find that the hospitals are full and unable to care for them.

The only way to prevent such a catastrophic development is to spread out the timeline during which the epidemic happens.


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We can do that by lowering the reproductive number of the disease. Under normal circumstance one sick person will infect two, three or even many more healthy ones. We can lower that number by prohibiting large congregations, by isolating infected persons and by good hygiene.

People who test positive or show symptoms need to be quarantined. Everyone needs to be made aware of the dangers and learn how to avoid them. Washing ones hands helps as soap easily destroys the fatty lipid layer that forms the skin of the virus.

The control measures China took in Wuhan were designed to drive the reproduction numbers down.

The effective reproductive number [in Wuhan] dropped from 3.86 before interventions to 0.32 post interventions.

Some of the measures China took were severe but they worked:

The daily Covid-19 onset and the control measures across different periods

Image

Source: Evolving Epidemiology and Impact of Non-pharmaceutical Interventions
on the Outbreak of Coronavirus Disease 2019 in Wuhan, China (pdf)
bigger

South Korea has also demonstrated how quick and decisive action can keep the numbers manageable.

After the virus has passed through our societies in two or three slow waves our communities will have developed a sufficient basic immunity level. In a year or two we may even have a vaccine against it. The virus will then become a relatively harmless addition to the ones we already know.

An example for this is the Hong Kong flu of 1968. The then new H3H2 virus infected 500.000 Hong Kong residents. In 1968 and 1969 it killed more than a million people worldwide even though it had a death rate below 0.5%. Our populations are now largely immune to it and an H3H2 vaccine is now part of the general cocktail of a flu vaccination.

No country will be spared by this virus and the impact will be similar everywhere.

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What must be done now is to flatten the curves, to lower the number of Covid-19 infections so our health care systems can cope with the epidemic.

In the United States the Sars-CoV-2 epidemic is still seen as a Monday to Friday problem.


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The reason for this is that the president and a significant part of the U.S. population have yet to understand the issue.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump - 14:47 UTC · Mar 9, 2020
So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!

This is not a common flu. This is a NEW flu. We have zero basic immunity against it. Without countermeasures the number of cases will explode and there will be many serious ones. They will overwhelm the health care systems and that makes all the difference.

All countries need to test as many people as possible to isolate positive cases. People who test positive but show no symptoms should not be send home to their families. China has learned that doing that only creates new clusters of cases as all family members are then likely to get sick. Those who develop symptoms must be isolated separately and with access to care. Only the 20% who will develop serious complications should be admitted to dedicated hospitals.

The U.S. must take measures to make tests available and free for all. It must also deliver the necessary healthcare free of charges. The National Disaster Medical System (NDMS) Definitive Care Reimbursement Program can be used to carry the costs.

There needs to be some form of incentive for everyone to take sick leave when necessary. The behavior below is dangerous but the man had likely no other choice.

ABC News @abcnews - 1:24 UTC · Mar 8, 2020
#BREAKING: Authorities say a man with coronavirus ignored instructions to self-isolate pending test results, instead working several shifts at Hobart's Grand Chancellor Hotel.

People must be made able to pay their bills even when they are sent into quarantine. The simplest way to achieve that is to make sick leave pay mandatory by law. Undocumented immigrants must be able to seek tests and healthcare without fear of deportation. That requires a change in the current mandatory notification scheme.

More economic measures will have to be taken to restart the economy after the slump the pandemic will cause. Large and diverse government spending program will have the best effects. Tax breaks for the rich will not do.

Today's market crash and Trump's ignorant and disastrous handling of the pandemic make it now less likely that he will get reelected. The pandemic also guarantees that demanding medicare for all will become a huge winner.
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#122 » by Capn'O » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:35 pm

Zenz - that article is a great long form/informed version of what I attempted to say above.

Spoiler:
Zenzibar wrote:https://www.moonofalabama.org/

Is The Coronavirus Really More Dangerous Than The Flu?

Is The Coronavirus Really More Dangerous Than The Flu?

Today the financial markets finally recognized the economic damage the novel Coronavirus will cause.

The price war in the crude oil markets which Russia initiated did not cause today's stock market fall but it also did not help. While cheap oil is supposed to be good for the economy the drop will also cause significant damage in the U.S. financial markets as the whole fracking industry in the United States is laden with debt and is now destined to be wiped out. Expect crude prices to sink to $20 per barrel as frantic overproduction and a drop in demand due to the virus coincide. Russia is well positioned to win this price war. Others are not.

It is the virus pandemic that causes the downturn in stock markets. But what makes the Sars-CoV-2 virus, as the novel Coronavirus is now officially known, so dangerous? The Covid-19 disease the virus causes is basically a flu though its seems to be one of the more severe kinds.

But it is a totally NEW kind of flu and that makes all the difference.

Each year some 15% of the world population will be infected with one or more of the dozens of flu viruses we know. The people get ill and most will recover while they also develop some immunity against the specific virus they were infected with. Over the years this sums up to a basic immunity level within our societies. So many people already had a flu from the well known viruses that most of them will not get infected during another flu season. We have also developed vaccines against the most well known viruses. They help to keep the people who work in health care on their job even when many new flu patients come in.

But when a new viruses evolves everything is different. Our societies do not have a basic immunity against a new virus. Without countermeasures many more people will get sick during the first, second and third wave of a new virus onslaught than during a normal flu season. Health care staff will also get infected and must quarantine itself. Some health care workers will probably die. Hospitals will become overwhelmed and the health care system will break down just as it did in Wuhan, China. The breakdown of the health care system also leads to a much larger number of virus death than under a working health care system.

Here is a surgeon in Bergamo, Italy, describing such a situation:

The cases multiply, up to a rate of 15-20 hospitalizations a day all for the same reason. The results of the swabs now come one after the other: positive, positive, positive. Suddenly the emergency room is collapsing. Emergency provisions are issued: help is needed in the emergency room. A quick meeting to learn how the to use to emergency room EHR and a few minutes later I'm already downstairs, next to the warriors on the war front. The screen of the PC with the chief complaint is always the same: fever and respiratory difficulty, fever and cough, respiratory insufficiency etc ... Exams, radiology always with the same sentence: bilateral interstitial pneumonia. All needs to be hospitalized. Some already need to be intubated, and go to the ICU. For others, however, it is late. ICU is full, and when ICUs are full, more are created. Each ventilator is like gold: those in the operating rooms that have now suspended their non-urgent activity are used and the OR become an ICU that did not exist before.

The current case fatality rate in Lombardy has now topped 6%. We know from China (ex Hubei province) that in a functioning health care system the death rate of Covid-19 patients is lower than 1%. It is not the virus that kills more people in Italy, it is an overwhelmed health care system.

A health care system that is overwhelmed with Covid-19 cases can also no longer take care of regular cases. People with an acute heart attack, with diabetes problems, or kids who have fallen off a bicycle will find that the hospitals are full and unable to care for them.

The only way to prevent such a catastrophic development is to spread out the timeline during which the epidemic happens.


Image

We can do that by lowering the reproductive number of the disease. Under normal circumstance one sick person will infect two, three or even many more healthy ones. We can lower that number by prohibiting large congregations, by isolating infected persons and by good hygiene.

People who test positive or show symptoms need to be quarantined. Everyone needs to be made aware of the dangers and learn how to avoid them. Washing ones hands helps as soap easily destroys the fatty lipid layer that forms the skin of the virus.

The control measures China took in Wuhan were designed to drive the reproduction numbers down.

The effective reproductive number [in Wuhan] dropped from 3.86 before interventions to 0.32 post interventions.

Some of the measures China took were severe but they worked:

The daily Covid-19 onset and the control measures across different periods

Image

Source: Evolving Epidemiology and Impact of Non-pharmaceutical Interventions
on the Outbreak of Coronavirus Disease 2019 in Wuhan, China (pdf)
bigger

South Korea has also demonstrated how quick and decisive action can keep the numbers manageable.

After the virus has passed through our societies in two or three slow waves our communities will have developed a sufficient basic immunity level. In a year or two we may even have a vaccine against it. The virus will then become a relatively harmless addition to the ones we already know.

An example for this is the Hong Kong flu of 1968. The then new H3H2 virus infected 500.000 Hong Kong residents. In 1968 and 1969 it killed more than a million people worldwide even though it had a death rate below 0.5%. Our populations are now largely immune to it and an H3H2 vaccine is now part of the general cocktail of a flu vaccination.

No country will be spared by this virus and the impact will be similar everywhere.

Image

What must be done now is to flatten the curves, to lower the number of Covid-19 infections so our health care systems can cope with the epidemic.

In the United States the Sars-CoV-2 epidemic is still seen as a Monday to Friday problem.


bigger

The reason for this is that the president and a significant part of the U.S. population have yet to understand the issue.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump - 14:47 UTC · Mar 9, 2020
So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!

This is not a common flu. This is a NEW flu. We have zero basic immunity against it. Without countermeasures the number of cases will explode and there will be many serious ones. They will overwhelm the health care systems and that makes all the difference.

All countries need to test as many people as possible to isolate positive cases. People who test positive but show no symptoms should not be send home to their families. China has learned that doing that only creates new clusters of cases as all family members are then likely to get sick. Those who develop symptoms must be isolated separately and with access to care. Only the 20% who will develop serious complications should be admitted to dedicated hospitals.

The U.S. must take measures to make tests available and free for all. It must also deliver the necessary healthcare free of charges. The National Disaster Medical System (NDMS) Definitive Care Reimbursement Program can be used to carry the costs.

There needs to be some form of incentive for everyone to take sick leave when necessary. The behavior below is dangerous but the man had likely no other choice.

ABC News @abcnews - 1:24 UTC · Mar 8, 2020
#BREAKING: Authorities say a man with coronavirus ignored instructions to self-isolate pending test results, instead working several shifts at Hobart's Grand Chancellor Hotel.

People must be made able to pay their bills even when they are sent into quarantine. The simplest way to achieve that is to make sick leave pay mandatory by law. Undocumented immigrants must be able to seek tests and healthcare without fear of deportation. That requires a change in the current mandatory notification scheme.

More economic measures will have to be taken to restart the economy after the slump the pandemic will cause. Large and diverse government spending program will have the best effects. Tax breaks for the rich will not do.

Today's market crash and Trump's ignorant and disastrous handling of the pandemic make it now less likely that he will get reelected. The pandemic also guarantees that demanding medicare for all will become a huge winner.
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#123 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:53 pm

Capn'O wrote:Zenz - that article is a great long form/informed version of what I attempted to say above.

Spoiler:
Zenzibar wrote:https://www.moonofalabama.org/

Is The Coronavirus Really More Dangerous Than The Flu?

Is The Coronavirus Really More Dangerous Than The Flu?

Today the financial markets finally recognized the economic damage the novel Coronavirus will cause.

The price war in the crude oil markets which Russia initiated did not cause today's stock market fall but it also did not help. While cheap oil is supposed to be good for the economy the drop will also cause significant damage in the U.S. financial markets as the whole fracking industry in the United States is laden with debt and is now destined to be wiped out. Expect crude prices to sink to $20 per barrel as frantic overproduction and a drop in demand due to the virus coincide. Russia is well positioned to win this price war. Others are not.

It is the virus pandemic that causes the downturn in stock markets. But what makes the Sars-CoV-2 virus, as the novel Coronavirus is now officially known, so dangerous? The Covid-19 disease the virus causes is basically a flu though its seems to be one of the more severe kinds.

But it is a totally NEW kind of flu and that makes all the difference.

Each year some 15% of the world population will be infected with one or more of the dozens of flu viruses we know. The people get ill and most will recover while they also develop some immunity against the specific virus they were infected with. Over the years this sums up to a basic immunity level within our societies. So many people already had a flu from the well known viruses that most of them will not get infected during another flu season. We have also developed vaccines against the most well known viruses. They help to keep the people who work in health care on their job even when many new flu patients come in.

But when a new viruses evolves everything is different. Our societies do not have a basic immunity against a new virus. Without countermeasures many more people will get sick during the first, second and third wave of a new virus onslaught than during a normal flu season. Health care staff will also get infected and must quarantine itself. Some health care workers will probably die. Hospitals will become overwhelmed and the health care system will break down just as it did in Wuhan, China. The breakdown of the health care system also leads to a much larger number of virus death than under a working health care system.

Here is a surgeon in Bergamo, Italy, describing such a situation:

The cases multiply, up to a rate of 15-20 hospitalizations a day all for the same reason. The results of the swabs now come one after the other: positive, positive, positive. Suddenly the emergency room is collapsing. Emergency provisions are issued: help is needed in the emergency room. A quick meeting to learn how the to use to emergency room EHR and a few minutes later I'm already downstairs, next to the warriors on the war front. The screen of the PC with the chief complaint is always the same: fever and respiratory difficulty, fever and cough, respiratory insufficiency etc ... Exams, radiology always with the same sentence: bilateral interstitial pneumonia. All needs to be hospitalized. Some already need to be intubated, and go to the ICU. For others, however, it is late. ICU is full, and when ICUs are full, more are created. Each ventilator is like gold: those in the operating rooms that have now suspended their non-urgent activity are used and the OR become an ICU that did not exist before.

The current case fatality rate in Lombardy has now topped 6%. We know from China (ex Hubei province) that in a functioning health care system the death rate of Covid-19 patients is lower than 1%. It is not the virus that kills more people in Italy, it is an overwhelmed health care system.

A health care system that is overwhelmed with Covid-19 cases can also no longer take care of regular cases. People with an acute heart attack, with diabetes problems, or kids who have fallen off a bicycle will find that the hospitals are full and unable to care for them.

The only way to prevent such a catastrophic development is to spread out the timeline during which the epidemic happens.


Image

We can do that by lowering the reproductive number of the disease. Under normal circumstance one sick person will infect two, three or even many more healthy ones. We can lower that number by prohibiting large congregations, by isolating infected persons and by good hygiene.

People who test positive or show symptoms need to be quarantined. Everyone needs to be made aware of the dangers and learn how to avoid them. Washing ones hands helps as soap easily destroys the fatty lipid layer that forms the skin of the virus.

The control measures China took in Wuhan were designed to drive the reproduction numbers down.

The effective reproductive number [in Wuhan] dropped from 3.86 before interventions to 0.32 post interventions.

Some of the measures China took were severe but they worked:

The daily Covid-19 onset and the control measures across different periods

Image

Source: Evolving Epidemiology and Impact of Non-pharmaceutical Interventions
on the Outbreak of Coronavirus Disease 2019 in Wuhan, China (pdf)
bigger

South Korea has also demonstrated how quick and decisive action can keep the numbers manageable.

After the virus has passed through our societies in two or three slow waves our communities will have developed a sufficient basic immunity level. In a year or two we may even have a vaccine against it. The virus will then become a relatively harmless addition to the ones we already know.

An example for this is the Hong Kong flu of 1968. The then new H3H2 virus infected 500.000 Hong Kong residents. In 1968 and 1969 it killed more than a million people worldwide even though it had a death rate below 0.5%. Our populations are now largely immune to it and an H3H2 vaccine is now part of the general cocktail of a flu vaccination.

No country will be spared by this virus and the impact will be similar everywhere.

Image

What must be done now is to flatten the curves, to lower the number of Covid-19 infections so our health care systems can cope with the epidemic.

In the United States the Sars-CoV-2 epidemic is still seen as a Monday to Friday problem.


bigger

The reason for this is that the president and a significant part of the U.S. population have yet to understand the issue.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump - 14:47 UTC · Mar 9, 2020
So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!

This is not a common flu. This is a NEW flu. We have zero basic immunity against it. Without countermeasures the number of cases will explode and there will be many serious ones. They will overwhelm the health care systems and that makes all the difference.

All countries need to test as many people as possible to isolate positive cases. People who test positive but show no symptoms should not be send home to their families. China has learned that doing that only creates new clusters of cases as all family members are then likely to get sick. Those who develop symptoms must be isolated separately and with access to care. Only the 20% who will develop serious complications should be admitted to dedicated hospitals.

The U.S. must take measures to make tests available and free for all. It must also deliver the necessary healthcare free of charges. The National Disaster Medical System (NDMS) Definitive Care Reimbursement Program can be used to carry the costs.

There needs to be some form of incentive for everyone to take sick leave when necessary. The behavior below is dangerous but the man had likely no other choice.

ABC News @abcnews - 1:24 UTC · Mar 8, 2020
#BREAKING: Authorities say a man with coronavirus ignored instructions to self-isolate pending test results, instead working several shifts at Hobart's Grand Chancellor Hotel.

People must be made able to pay their bills even when they are sent into quarantine. The simplest way to achieve that is to make sick leave pay mandatory by law. Undocumented immigrants must be able to seek tests and healthcare without fear of deportation. That requires a change in the current mandatory notification scheme.

More economic measures will have to be taken to restart the economy after the slump the pandemic will cause. Large and diverse government spending program will have the best effects. Tax breaks for the rich will not do.

Today's market crash and Trump's ignorant and disastrous handling of the pandemic make it now less likely that he will get reelected. The pandemic also guarantees that demanding medicare for all will become a huge winner.


It is certainly more than the flu and for many people it won't be much worse than that, but it will be much worse for some people.

The lack of coordinated planning in the U.S. is definitely going to exacerbate the situation here. After they gutted the CDC, it was scary the other day watching Trump shut down the comments of scientists while pondering keeping the cruise ship festering off-shore because it was good for his "numbers". The man is completely insane.

It is so obvious now this will ensure the downfall of his administration that I'm less obsessed than usual with its effect on politics and more concerned with how badly this kind of bungling is going to hurt people for no good reason.

Due to the poor public messaging and an inability to handle the influx of cases that will overwhelm basic medical intake flows there will be unnecessary casualties.

There was two full months to prepare and gird the infrastructure for this with proper planning, test manufacturing, advance funding, etc. but now it is a mad scramble to coordinate limited resources.

This lack of coordination means containment will be much harder to implement and the U.S. will have one of the largest blooms of cases globally. We are looking at more fatalities than would happen with sober management of the situation. Trump has blood on their hands from their handling of his situation.
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#124 » by Deeeez Knicks » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:58 pm

Its getting bad and just going to get worse. New Rochelle on lockdown. What did it take, 1 week since they announced it? There will be outbreaks in more places.
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#125 » by Knick4Real » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:29 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:Its getting bad and just going to get worse. New Rochelle on lockdown. What did it take, 1 week since they announced it? There will be outbreaks in more places.


Yep. Gov. Cuomo dispatched the National Guard today to completely lockdown New Rochelle. No one in or out of that area. He was just on CNN saying other countries are processing 5,000-10,000 tests per day, while our officials have only provided 5000 tests TOTAL for the WHOLE TIME since this has become a pandemic. :noway:

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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#126 » by seren » Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:20 am

Knick4Real wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:Its getting bad and just going to get worse. New Rochelle on lockdown. What did it take, 1 week since they announced it? There will be outbreaks in more places.


Yep. Gov. Cuomo dispatched the National Guard today to completely lockdown New Rochelle. No one in or out of that area. He was just on CNN saying other countries are processing 5,000-10,000 tests per day, while our officials have only provided 5000 tests TOTAL for the WHOLE TIME since this has become a pandemic. :noway:

Things are getting real. I'm counting the days for when Times Square and the subways are shut down next.



This is, unfortunately, incorrect. It is a very weak lockdown. Bunch of schools closed and no large gatherings. That is it. People will still go to work, use metronorth and continue to spread this. Cuomo is only slightly better than Trump. He should have shut down the schools, sports arenas and Broadway, movie theaters, public transit, tell everyone to telecommute including non-essential state and city employees. That would have been a decisive action. Instead, he is playing catch up just like everyone else.
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#127 » by matchman » Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:38 am

Hey Fox, I see what you did there.

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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#128 » by digitaldropoff » Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:35 pm

Anyone who read that NYT piece a few years back about the Spanish Flu knows they were calling for essentially a crazy new strain coming exactly where it originated from. I'm pretty sure the article is from 2017....lol, but I'm guessing Pense missed that piece of work.
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#129 » by Zenzibar » Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:42 pm

seren wrote:
Knick4Real wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:Its getting bad and just going to get worse. New Rochelle on lockdown. What did it take, 1 week since they announced it? There will be outbreaks in more places.


Yep. Gov. Cuomo dispatched the National Guard today to completely lockdown New Rochelle. No one in or out of that area. He was just on CNN saying other countries are processing 5,000-10,000 tests per day, while our officials have only provided 5000 tests TOTAL for the WHOLE TIME since this has become a pandemic. :noway:

Things are getting real. I'm counting the days for when Times Square and the subways are shut down next.



This is, unfortunately, incorrect. It is a very weak lockdown. Bunch of schools closed and no large gatherings. That is it. People will still go to work, use metronorth and continue to spread this. Cuomo is only slightly better than Trump. He should have shut down the schools, sports arenas and Broadway, movie theaters, public transit, tell everyone to telecommute including non-essential state and city employees. That would have been a decisive action. Instead, he is playing catch up just like everyone else.



Not possible Bro. There are just as many blue collar workers in NY as white collar, the majority of which will not get paid if they don't come to work. Who's gonna cover their bills, the Government? People are going to get sick, it's as simple as that. Just amp up your vitamins, sleep well, keep stress to a minimum and yes, and just as importantly avoid SALSA classes. :D
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#130 » by 2010 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:48 pm

It's no big deal tho. This is just a bad case of the common cold. The flu is worse, more contagious, and kills more people, and no one panics over it. This is just media hype and people fear mongering. It's a conspiracy. C-O-N-spiracy!

Don't wear a mask. It makes you more likely to catch the virus. Don't wear rubber gloves either. If someone coughs, run up next to them and take a deep, deep breath. Take public transportation at peak hours and touch everything then lick your fingers. And if someone farts, bend over and sniff it.
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#131 » by Zenzibar » Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:59 pm

matchman wrote:Hey Fox, I see what you did there.

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P.S. I seldom agree with them, this could be a start though.


The Chinese CoronaVirus,,,really?

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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#132 » by GONYK » Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:12 pm

Zenzibar wrote:
matchman wrote:Hey Fox, I see what you did there.

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P.S. I seldom agree with them, this could be a start though.


The Chinese CoronaVirus,,,really?

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All influenza strains and infectious diseases have been historically named after the location they were first isolated in as a matter of scientific standard.
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#133 » by seren » Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:18 pm

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Knick4Real wrote:
Yep. Gov. Cuomo dispatched the National Guard today to completely lockdown New Rochelle. No one in or out of that area. He was just on CNN saying other countries are processing 5,000-10,000 tests per day, while our officials have only provided 5000 tests TOTAL for the WHOLE TIME since this has become a pandemic. :noway:

Things are getting real. I'm counting the days for when Times Square and the subways are shut down next.



This is, unfortunately, incorrect. It is a very weak lockdown. Bunch of schools closed and no large gatherings. That is it. People will still go to work, use metronorth and continue to spread this. Cuomo is only slightly better than Trump. He should have shut down the schools, sports arenas and Broadway, movie theaters, public transit, tell everyone to telecommute including non-essential state and city employees. That would have been a decisive action. Instead, he is playing catch up just like everyone else.



Not possible Bro. There are just as many blue collar workers in NY as white collar, the majority of which will not get paid if they don't come to work. Who's gonna cover their bills, the Government? People are going to get sick, it's as simple as that. Just amp up your vitamins, sleep well, keep stress to a minimum and yes, and just as importantly avoid SALSA classes. :D


No question. The government needs to cover their bills. This is no joke. This is no flu. This is not something you can get through by the stuff that you mention. If they don't get control of the situation (which they are not), millions will die.
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#134 » by aq_ua » Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:21 pm

GONYK wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
matchman wrote:Hey Fox, I see what you did there.

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P.S. I seldom agree with them, this could be a start though.


The Chinese CoronaVirus,,,really?

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All influenza strains and infectious diseases have been historically named after the location they were first isolated in as a matter of scientific standard.

As a matter of disease identification for mass consumption, I don’t think that’s true. SARS, MERS, H1N1, Ebola, Avian influenza, I don’t recall any of them having the location of isolation as an identifier at all.
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#135 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:28 pm

2010 wrote:It's no big deal tho. This is just a bad case of the common cold. The flu is worse, more contagious, and kills more people, and no one panics over it. This is just media hype and people fear mongering. It's a conspiracy. C-O-N-spiracy!

Don't wear a mask. It makes you more likely to catch the virus. Don't wear rubber gloves either. If someone coughs, run up next to them and take a deep, deep breath. Take public transportation at peak hours and touch everything then lick your fingers. And if someone farts, bend over and sniff it.


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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#136 » by GONYK » Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:31 pm

aq_ua wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
The Chinese CoronaVirus,,,really?

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All influenza strains and infectious diseases have been historically named after the location they were first isolated in as a matter of scientific standard.

As a matter of disease identification for mass consumption, I don’t think that’s true. SARS, MERS, H1N1, Ebola, Avian influenza, I don’t recall any of them having the location of isolation as an identifier at all.


Ebola is named after a river in Africa
MERS stands for Middle East Respiratory Syndrome

Some of the others you mentioned are subtypes of previously identified viruses, like H1N1 being a subtype of the Spanish Flu.

Here are a few more examples:

West Nile
Lyme (named after a town in Connecticut)
Spanish flu
German measles
Norovirus (named after Norwalk, Ohio)
St. Louis encephalitis
Lassa fever (named after a town in Nigeria)
Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever
Ebola (named after a river in Africa)
Legionnaires' disease (named after the American Legion)
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#137 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:35 pm

Was talking to a neighbor yesterday who was very cavalier about this. He said he had had lung cancer and survived and laughed at this big conspiracy and media con game. It's the flu, a bunch of BS, etc.

I said scientists are saying it as much as 10X more aggressive than the flu and we don't know exactly what it is yet. It does appear to take down people with compromised health so millions may face a mortal threat so maybe we should wait to see what it really is.

He cackled and said good! Thinning the herd

I wave goodbye and shook my head at the cynicism of people like him. They think everything is a scam

Myself? I still think we'll get through this decently and some normalcy will return in the near future, but it is a wake up call for this divided and poorly governed society that's for sure
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#138 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:36 pm

GONYK wrote:
aq_ua wrote:
GONYK wrote:
All influenza strains and infectious diseases have been historically named after the location they were first isolated in as a matter of scientific standard.

As a matter of disease identification for mass consumption, I don’t think that’s true. SARS, MERS, H1N1, Ebola, Avian influenza, I don’t recall any of them having the location of isolation as an identifier at all.


Ebola is named after a river in Africa
MERS stands for Middle East Respiratory Syndrome

Some of the others you mentioned are subtypes of previously identified viruses, like H1N1 being a subtype of the Spanish Flu.

Here are a few more examples:

West Nile
Lyme (named after a town in Connecticut)
Spanish flu
German measles
Norovirus (named after Norwalk, Ohio)
St. Louis encephalitis
Lassa fever (named after a town in Nigeria)
Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever
Ebola (named after a river in Africa)
Legionnaires' disease (named after the American Legion)


I have the RealGM Virus

It's nasty
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#139 » by GONYK » Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:37 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
GONYK wrote:
aq_ua wrote:As a matter of disease identification for mass consumption, I don’t think that’s true. SARS, MERS, H1N1, Ebola, Avian influenza, I don’t recall any of them having the location of isolation as an identifier at all.


Ebola is named after a river in Africa
MERS stands for Middle East Respiratory Syndrome

Some of the others you mentioned are subtypes of previously identified viruses, like H1N1 being a subtype of the Spanish Flu.

Here are a few more examples:

West Nile
Lyme (named after a town in Connecticut)
Spanish flu
German measles
Norovirus (named after Norwalk, Ohio)
St. Louis encephalitis
Lassa fever (named after a town in Nigeria)
Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever
Ebola (named after a river in Africa)
Legionnaires' disease (named after the American Legion)


I have the RealGM Virus

It's nasty


Incurable too :lol:
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#140 » by aq_ua » Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:48 pm

GONYK wrote:
aq_ua wrote:
GONYK wrote:
All influenza strains and infectious diseases have been historically named after the location they were first isolated in as a matter of scientific standard.

As a matter of disease identification for mass consumption, I don’t think that’s true. SARS, MERS, H1N1, Ebola, Avian influenza, I don’t recall any of them having the location of isolation as an identifier at all.


Ebola is named after a river in Africa
MERS stands for Middle East Respiratory Syndrome

Some of the others you mentioned are subtypes of previously identified viruses, like H1N1 being a subtype of the Spanish Flu.

Here are a few more examples:

West Nile
Lyme (named after a town in Connecticut)
Spanish flu
German measles
Norovirus (named after Norwalk, Ohio)
St. Louis encephalitis
Lassa fever (named after a town in Nigeria)
Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever
Ebola (named after a river in Africa)
Legionnaires' disease (named after the American Legion)

I thought the world had moved on from the convention given the politics involved. Even Ebola is a river to disassociate from any particular location or country.

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