Knicks hire Walt Perrin as Assistant GM

[MaseInYourFace]

Good interview with Jazz broadcaster Jeremiah Jensen about Perrin on the Knicks Film School podcast:

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/knicks-film-school/the-knicks-film-school-podcast/e/69770244?refid=asa&autoplay=true

Sounds like we got a great scout who's very thorough in evaluation. Could be a less eccentric version of gaines lol.

Still think Gaines was a little overhyped...

[thebuzzardman]

So, general thoughts about the Rose/Aller/Perrin/Zanin hires.

This is with the following caveats:
It could all suck
Dolan being around still can be the ultimate torpedo
There are still Dolan cronies around. Alan Houston for sure, others I'm less sure about.
Knicks have hired guys that seemed to be a decent idea and it failed before
Rose is still an ex agent and there isn't a big track record of success for those guys in the NBA as POBO/GM's

That out of the way, just general thoughts that in now way feel definitive.

Knicks SEEM to be on an upward trajectory of hiring guys who are liked around the league and have "been around"
Yes, ultimately TALENT is what matters. The talent seems to be there with Aller and Perrin. Rose's talent as a POBO is in question. I really know nothing about Zanin and pretty sure no one on here does either.

So, even though Mills sucked and was a snake, I THINK he was able to convince Dolan of some iterative moves towards respectability.
Holding onto picks. Getting more picks. Managing the cap and keeping $/space available for the truly excellent players. Hiring Perry, who is well liked around the league and has a long resume. Yes, Perry is probably a mediocre guy but bear with me.

I think Mills sold Dolan on some of these ideas, but also with the following: "I'm Steve Mills and I've got connections around the league, with players and FO's, and I can lure free agents once we build the base". Or, maybe Mills sold Dolan hard on his ability to bring in FA's once the KP situation fell apart and KP got traded. It's obvious that Mills put in Dolan's mind that "big time FA's are on the horizon" and "playoffs soon!" and Mills got the boot when neither happened.

Rose was hired to be the Mills that Mills couldn't be. Which is, have connections. Get trades done. And, also, I'd guess, be a generally competent POBO.

And Rose takes the following approach:
Continues the Knicks change of hiring guys with some respect around the league, and thankfully, some amount of talent: Aller/Perrin.
(Yes, I would prefer a big name GM hire, or well established "young exec on the rise". Oh well)
Keeps Perry around and doesn't sh*t on his head because Perry is WELL LIKED around the league. And connected. It might not make Perry good at his job - I think he's mediocre, but I think Rose keeps Perry around for "transition" reasons, but also to show the rest of the league the Knicks aren't the total d*ck organization they were before. This is just a hunch; I don't have a definitive opinion on it.
Rose keeps Perry on, but he brings in HIS OWN GUYS to do the heavy lifting. Cap. College Scouting. Pro Player Scouting.
I'm not saying Perry is a complete figurehead, but it's close.
What Rose is also doing is surrounding himself with loyalists. I'd assume this is important at MSG with Dolan always having his cronies.

Anyway, still looking forward to a different player development guy, analytics hire and maybe a hotshot young GM type next year (not sure on that one) but the outline of the approach Rose is taking seems reasonable.
Then again, It's the Knicks, and moves that've seemed reasonable before have turned into a total dungheap, so who knows.

Don’t the Warriors have an ex agent in their FO?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Myers

Yup. And Pelinka for the Lakers has the agent background as well. Those are the cited success stories. I think there was one other instance of an agent getting involved in the FO in bball, but it didn't go well. It's in the "Leon Rose new POBO" topic somewhere.

My post was basically a thought that popped into my head where it kind of clicked "Why Rose?" Specifically, "Why Rose for DOLAN"

We can argue how much Dolan is involved in moves, how much he meddles, how much he is now "hands off" and I'm not sure. I think he's less hands on than he used to be, BUT, all owners will step in at some point and assert themselves. Nothing specifically wrong with that.

Of course, the million dollar questions are "how often does Dolan intervene" and, maybe more to the point "Does Dolan always have unrealistic expectations and/or unrealistic timelines"?

I mean, I think Mills was obviously stinking up the joint. But he seemed to have sold Dolan on a vision of "manage cap space, keep and acquire picks, and be in the mix for big FA's" I don't know if I covered it in the post, but I'm not sure how much Mills sold Dolan on "BIG FA's in 19-20!!!" after he traded KP, as maybe Dolan was kind of pissed about that and Mills oversold that to keep his job.
Or, Dolan misunderstood a more reasonable Mills take, that "KP being traded was unfortunate, but we got some assets, got cap room, we can TRY for the big FA's in 19-20, we might not get one, but we'll continue building the team, and we'll roll that cap space over and try again over the next few years, while building a young base through the draft"

I think Mills EXECUTION sucked. I don't trust his pro player scouting, or whoever advises him, as Mills decided to overpay and over commit years to THJr and Randler. Both guys not bad players, but not # 1's.

Anyway, it's clear that Mills was walking some tightrope with Dolan balancing "managing cap space" with "building the team" and "team getting competitive" and he wasn't doing a good job.

But Dolan pretty aggressively pulled the trigger on firing Mills and I made an attempt to understand what might be driving that process in DOLAN'S mind, so I'll kind of know what expectations Dolan has of Rose, which in turn tells me the parameters under which Rose will operate.

Dolan could have given Mills another year. I'm VERY GLAD he didn't. But the Knicks have sucked before. Why now?

IF Mills sold Dolan on landing some big FA's, but also that he'd be building the team to respectability, which helps with the FA draw/stars asking to be traded to you, I'm assuming Rose was brought in to do both.

Dolan sees the Nets getting respectable, probably starting to worry, valid or not, that the Nets will draw away fans, and he's embarrassed that not only did the Knicks NOT get FA's, which he was crowing about on TV, but the NETS! beat him to those guys. The second that happened, Mills was toast.
And Rose was hired to fix THAT.
Rose was hired to be POBO, but a POBO that can "get it done" when it comes to getting stars.
Either through FA, or the new school of players demanding trades while under contract
Think about it. Why a guy with an agent background instead of a GM/Exec background?

I hope it goes well, that the Knicks don't starph*ck lower tier stars that don't really move the franchise needle, cap themselves out and get on the mediocrity treadmill. We shall see.

[Clyde Frazier]

Good interview with Jazz broadcaster Jeremiah Jensen about Perrin on the Knicks Film School podcast:

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/knicks-film-school/the-knicks-film-school-podcast/e/69770244?refid=asa&autoplay=true

Sounds like we got a great scout who's very thorough in evaluation. Could be a less eccentric version of gaines lol.

Still think Gaines was a little overhyped...

That's fair. I do think he's a good basketball mind and enjoy how open he is on Twitter. I do think there's something to the idea that the Knicks have had smart people working there over the years in lower ranks, we just have no clue because of the lack of transparency. He's one of the few guys where you could say "ok I have a good idea of what he did in the past and what he did with the Knicks."

[Zenzibar]

Leon knows what people in the NBA are respected and what minds to surround himself with. I got sources of this from months ago. That he might not be the best BBIQ guy, but he'll hire the best.

Also, to bring it back to a FO thread, I asked you about Perry in the KP thread.

You seemed to indicate he might be here longer than a year.

I won't repost my Perry pro/cons, other than to reiterate to those who want to avoid the KP thread that I'd rather see Perry gone in a clean house, get a young GM on the rise move, but also that Perry has certain pros and certain cons, and what about his pros might be leading the Knicks to want to retain him.

Do the Knicks view him as with more pluses, as some of the moves Knick fans collectively didn't like were more driven by Mills?

I know that Mills/Perry/Fiz talked about working together, doing stuff collectively, and Mills also said stuff about "Perry is the GM and I'll let him do his thing" (I should try to find these and source them) but gut feeling to me, and yes, it might be driven by me not liking Mills, or suspecting he was "the issue" for the Knicks for a long time (besides obviously Dolan), is that Mills was more hands on and unilateral on the bigger moves.

My point of view is that Mills over-road Perry on many sound decisions or that Perry pushed back a lot. Probably that proposed Charlotte trade made David Blatt go back to Dolan and say this guy Mills doesn't know what he's doing.

[Clyde Frazier]

Here's something interesting to discuss

Perrin might give the Knicks some additional advantages for this:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/258227/Penny-Hardaway-Its-A-Recruiting-War-When-It-Comes-To-G-League-Pathway-Program

https://gleague.nba.com/news/nba-g-league-introduces-professional-path-select-contracts-elite-basketball-prospects/

During the year leading up to the 2019-20 season, the NBA G League will hire a dedicated program manager and establish a working group that will be tasked with identifying eligible elite players who may be offered Select Contracts. More broadly, this working group will also oversee the implementation of the professional path initiative.

Players will be eligible to sign a Select Contract if they turn 18 by Sept. 15 prior to the season in which they would play. While there is no maximum age for a player to be eligible for a Select Contract, the contracts are not available to players who have gone through an NBA Draft.

Well, the league establishes the "pool" of players eligible. Obviously it's a narrow slice, in the player has to be NOT draft eligible and still deciding to forgo college. I guess the NBA is trying to evolve the G League and stop losing guys to Europe etc for a year/two years.

Actually, not sure Perrin is a specific help. If the players are allowed to sign as FA's, factors like the quality of a team's developmental program, playing time in a year, perception of the organization are all the biggest factors of who signs where.

FYI, the pathway program changed dramatically recently (for the better). They've adopted a "basketball academy" model similar to europe with 1 g league team specifically for these prospects. There will also be vets on the team. They'll play 10-12 games against other g league teams, but won't count in the standings. They'll also play against other "youth teams" (for the lack of a better word) in other countries. In addition to that, their tuition is covered if they do want to go to college at some point and they'll get off the court training to prepare for the NBA.

So all that said, it's a huge step forward for the league from a development standpoint, but doesn't necessarily change anything from the knicks' g league development point of view. All those players who enter the program will then go to the NBA draft like any other player would.

[Zenzibar]

Here's something interesting to discuss

Perrin might give the Knicks some additional advantages for this:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/258227/Penny-Hardaway-Its-A-Recruiting-War-When-It-Comes-To-G-League-Pathway-Program

https://gleague.nba.com/news/nba-g-league-introduces-professional-path-select-contracts-elite-basketball-prospects/

During the year leading up to the 2019-20 season, the NBA G League will hire a dedicated program manager and establish a working group that will be tasked with identifying eligible elite players who may be offered Select Contracts. More broadly, this working group will also oversee the implementation of the professional path initiative.

Players will be eligible to sign a Select Contract if they turn 18 by Sept. 15 prior to the season in which they would play. While there is no maximum age for a player to be eligible for a Select Contract, the contracts are not available to players who have gone through an NBA Draft.

Well, the league establishes the "pool" of players eligible. Obviously it's a narrow slice, in the player has to be NOT draft eligible and still deciding to forgo college. I guess the NBA is trying to evolve the G League and stop losing guys to Europe etc for a year/two years.

Actually, not sure Perrin is a specific help. If the players are allowed to sign as FA's, factors like the quality of a team's developmental program, playing time in a year, perception of the organization are all the biggest factors of who signs where.

Could it be possible that the NBAPA is tired of the NCAA show exploiting (aka show casing) high school talent for 1 year, raking in 10s if not 100s of millions of dollars and not allwing these kids to make 1 cent? This amateur status thing has been just one big exploitation of both young men and women.

We should be confident that Walt Perrin is going to be able to steer young talent to our affiliate G league team.

[Zenzibar]

Don’t the Warriors have an ex agent in their FO?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Myers

Yup. And Pelinka for the Lakers has the agent background as well. Those are the cited success stories. I think there was one other instance of an agent getting involved in the FO in bball, but it didn't go well. It's in the "Leon Rose new POBO" topic somewhere.

My post was basically a thought that popped into my head where it kind of clicked "Why Rose?" Specifically, "Why Rose for DOLAN"

We can argue how much Dolan is involved in moves, how much he meddles, how much he is now "hands off" and I'm not sure. I think he's less hands on than he used to be, BUT, all owners will step in at some point and assert themselves. Nothing specifically wrong with that.

Of course, the million dollar questions are "how often does Dolan intervene" and, maybe more to the point "Does Dolan always have unrealistic expectations and/or unrealistic timelines"?

I mean, I think Mills was obviously stinking up the joint. But he seemed to have sold Dolan on a vision of "manage cap space, keep and acquire picks, and be in the mix for big FA's" I don't know if I covered it in the post, but I'm not sure how much Mills sold Dolan on "BIG FA's in 19-20!!!" after he traded KP, as maybe Dolan was kind of pissed about that and Mills oversold that to keep his job.
Or, Dolan misunderstood a more reasonable Mills take, that "KP being traded was unfortunate, but we got some assets, got cap room, we can TRY for the big FA's in 19-20, we might not get one, but we'll continue building the team, and we'll roll that cap space over and try again over the next few years, while building a young base through the draft"

I think Mills EXECUTION sucked. I don't trust his pro player scouting, or whoever advises him, as Mills decided to overpay and over commit years to THJr and Randler. Both guys not bad players, but not # 1's.

Anyway, it's clear that Mills was walking some tightrope with Dolan balancing "managing cap space" with "building the team" and "team getting competitive" and he wasn't doing a good job.

But Dolan pretty aggressively pulled the trigger on firing Mills and I made an attempt to understand what might be driving that process in DOLAN'S mind, so I'll kind of know what expectations Dolan has of Rose, which in turn tells me the parameters under which Rose will operate.

Dolan could have given Mills another year. I'm VERY GLAD he didn't. But the Knicks have sucked before. Why now?

IF Mills sold Dolan on landing some big FA's, but also that he'd be building the team to respectability, which helps with the FA draw/stars asking to be traded to you, I'm assuming Rose was brought in to do both.

Dolan sees the Nets getting respectable, probably starting to worry, valid or not, that the Nets will draw away fans, and he's embarrassed that not only did the Knicks NOT get FA's, which he was crowing about on TV, but the NETS! beat him to those guys. The second that happened, Mills was toast.
And Rose was hired to fix THAT.
Rose was hired to be POBO, but a POBO that can "get it done" when it comes to getting stars.
Either through FA, or the new school of players demanding trades while under contract
Think about it. Why a guy with an agent background instead of a GM/Exec background?

I hope it goes well, that the Knicks don't starph*ck lower tier stars that don't really move the franchise needle, cap themselves out and get on the mediocrity treadmill. We shall see.

My Dude, are you a novelist by profession? Your posts are like reaking a fkn book..

[thebuzzardman]

Leon knows what people in the NBA are respected and what minds to surround himself with. I got sources of this from months ago. That he might not be the best BBIQ guy, but he'll hire the best.

Also, to bring it back to a FO thread, I asked you about Perry in the KP thread.

You seemed to indicate he might be here longer than a year.

I won't repost my Perry pro/cons, other than to reiterate to those who want to avoid the KP thread that I'd rather see Perry gone in a clean house, get a young GM on the rise move, but also that Perry has certain pros and certain cons, and what about his pros might be leading the Knicks to want to retain him.

Do the Knicks view him as with more pluses, as some of the moves Knick fans collectively didn't like were more driven by Mills?

I know that Mills/Perry/Fiz talked about working together, doing stuff collectively, and Mills also said stuff about "Perry is the GM and I'll let him do his thing" (I should try to find these and source them) but gut feeling to me, and yes, it might be driven by me not liking Mills, or suspecting he was "the issue" for the Knicks for a long time (besides obviously Dolan), is that Mills was more hands on and unilateral on the bigger moves.

My point of view is that Mills over-road Perry on many sound decisions or that Perry pushed back a lot. Probably that proposed Charlotte trade made David Blatt go back to Dolan and say this guy Mills doesn't know what he's doing.

Maybe. I'm not sure what the dynamic was.

I'm hoping someone with some inside info might clarify the Knicks/league view on Perry.
Just to keep this reply short, I think most of us have an OUTLINE of what his pros and cons are, but some of them are tangled into Mills, and what exactly did Mills own and what did Perry own, in terms of results.

Perry might be a very solid guy without Mills, but some of that team building stuff here and Sactown has me wary if he's here past his contract.

[thebuzzardman]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Myers

Yup. And Pelinka for the Lakers has the agent background as well. Those are the cited success stories. I think there was one other instance of an agent getting involved in the FO in bball, but it didn't go well. It's in the "Leon Rose new POBO" topic somewhere.

My post was basically a thought that popped into my head where it kind of clicked "Why Rose?" Specifically, "Why Rose for DOLAN"

We can argue how much Dolan is involved in moves, how much he meddles, how much he is now "hands off" and I'm not sure. I think he's less hands on than he used to be, BUT, all owners will step in at some point and assert themselves. Nothing specifically wrong with that.

Of course, the million dollar questions are "how often does Dolan intervene" and, maybe more to the point "Does Dolan always have unrealistic expectations and/or unrealistic timelines"?

I mean, I think Mills was obviously stinking up the joint. But he seemed to have sold Dolan on a vision of "manage cap space, keep and acquire picks, and be in the mix for big FA's" I don't know if I covered it in the post, but I'm not sure how much Mills sold Dolan on "BIG FA's in 19-20!!!" after he traded KP, as maybe Dolan was kind of pissed about that and Mills oversold that to keep his job.
Or, Dolan misunderstood a more reasonable Mills take, that "KP being traded was unfortunate, but we got some assets, got cap room, we can TRY for the big FA's in 19-20, we might not get one, but we'll continue building the team, and we'll roll that cap space over and try again over the next few years, while building a young base through the draft"

I think Mills EXECUTION sucked. I don't trust his pro player scouting, or whoever advises him, as Mills decided to overpay and over commit years to THJr and Randler. Both guys not bad players, but not # 1's.

Anyway, it's clear that Mills was walking some tightrope with Dolan balancing "managing cap space" with "building the team" and "team getting competitive" and he wasn't doing a good job.

But Dolan pretty aggressively pulled the trigger on firing Mills and I made an attempt to understand what might be driving that process in DOLAN'S mind, so I'll kind of know what expectations Dolan has of Rose, which in turn tells me the parameters under which Rose will operate.

Dolan could have given Mills another year. I'm VERY GLAD he didn't. But the Knicks have sucked before. Why now?

IF Mills sold Dolan on landing some big FA's, but also that he'd be building the team to respectability, which helps with the FA draw/stars asking to be traded to you, I'm assuming Rose was brought in to do both.

Dolan sees the Nets getting respectable, probably starting to worry, valid or not, that the Nets will draw away fans, and he's embarrassed that not only did the Knicks NOT get FA's, which he was crowing about on TV, but the NETS! beat him to those guys. The second that happened, Mills was toast.
And Rose was hired to fix THAT.
Rose was hired to be POBO, but a POBO that can "get it done" when it comes to getting stars.
Either through FA, or the new school of players demanding trades while under contract
Think about it. Why a guy with an agent background instead of a GM/Exec background?

I hope it goes well, that the Knicks don't starph*ck lower tier stars that don't really move the franchise needle, cap themselves out and get on the mediocrity treadmill. We shall see.

My Dude, are you a novelist by profession? Your posts are like reaking a fkn book..

Only sometimes. I veer wildly between short sarcastic answers and e-books.

[thebuzzardman]

Here's something interesting to discuss

Perrin might give the Knicks some additional advantages for this:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/258227/Penny-Hardaway-Its-A-Recruiting-War-When-It-Comes-To-G-League-Pathway-Program

https://gleague.nba.com/news/nba-g-league-introduces-professional-path-select-contracts-elite-basketball-prospects/

During the year leading up to the 2019-20 season, the NBA G League will hire a dedicated program manager and establish a working group that will be tasked with identifying eligible elite players who may be offered Select Contracts. More broadly, this working group will also oversee the implementation of the professional path initiative.

Players will be eligible to sign a Select Contract if they turn 18 by Sept. 15 prior to the season in which they would play. While there is no maximum age for a player to be eligible for a Select Contract, the contracts are not available to players who have gone through an NBA Draft.

Well, the league establishes the "pool" of players eligible. Obviously it's a narrow slice, in the player has to be NOT draft eligible and still deciding to forgo college. I guess the NBA is trying to evolve the G League and stop losing guys to Europe etc for a year/two years.

Actually, not sure Perrin is a specific help. If the players are allowed to sign as FA's, factors like the quality of a team's developmental program, playing time in a year, perception of the organization are all the biggest factors of who signs where.

FYI, the pathway program changed dramatically recently (for the better). They've adopted a "basketball academy" model similar to europe with 1 g league team specifically for these prospects. There will also be vets on the team. They'll play 10-12 games against other g league teams, but won't count in the standings. They'll also play against other "youth teams" (for the lack of a better word) in other countries. In addition to that, their tuition is covered if they do want to go to college at some point and they'll get off the court training to prepare for the NBA.

So all that said, it's a huge step forward for the league from a development standpoint, but doesn't necessarily change anything from the knicks' g league development point of view. All those players who enter the program will then go to the NBA draft like any other player would.

Ah, ok. I wasn't sure if they retained FA status and then were "fair game" for all teams. Makes sense.

[Zenzibar]

Yup. And Pelinka for the Lakers has the agent background as well. Those are the cited success stories. I think there was one other instance of an agent getting involved in the FO in bball, but it didn't go well. It's in the "Leon Rose new POBO" topic somewhere.

My post was basically a thought that popped into my head where it kind of clicked "Why Rose?" Specifically, "Why Rose for DOLAN"

We can argue how much Dolan is involved in moves, how much he meddles, how much he is now "hands off" and I'm not sure. I think he's less hands on than he used to be, BUT, all owners will step in at some point and assert themselves. Nothing specifically wrong with that.

Of course, the million dollar questions are "how often does Dolan intervene" and, maybe more to the point "Does Dolan always have unrealistic expectations and/or unrealistic timelines"?

I mean, I think Mills was obviously stinking up the joint. But he seemed to have sold Dolan on a vision of "manage cap space, keep and acquire picks, and be in the mix for big FA's" I don't know if I covered it in the post, but I'm not sure how much Mills sold Dolan on "BIG FA's in 19-20!!!" after he traded KP, as maybe Dolan was kind of pissed about that and Mills oversold that to keep his job.
Or, Dolan misunderstood a more reasonable Mills take, that "KP being traded was unfortunate, but we got some assets, got cap room, we can TRY for the big FA's in 19-20, we might not get one, but we'll continue building the team, and we'll roll that cap space over and try again over the next few years, while building a young base through the draft"

I think Mills EXECUTION sucked. I don't trust his pro player scouting, or whoever advises him, as Mills decided to overpay and over commit years to THJr and Randler. Both guys not bad players, but not # 1's.

Anyway, it's clear that Mills was walking some tightrope with Dolan balancing "managing cap space" with "building the team" and "team getting competitive" and he wasn't doing a good job.

But Dolan pretty aggressively pulled the trigger on firing Mills and I made an attempt to understand what might be driving that process in DOLAN'S mind, so I'll kind of know what expectations Dolan has of Rose, which in turn tells me the parameters under which Rose will operate.

Dolan could have given Mills another year. I'm VERY GLAD he didn't. But the Knicks have sucked before. Why now?

IF Mills sold Dolan on landing some big FA's, but also that he'd be building the team to respectability, which helps with the FA draw/stars asking to be traded to you, I'm assuming Rose was brought in to do both.

Dolan sees the Nets getting respectable, probably starting to worry, valid or not, that the Nets will draw away fans, and he's embarrassed that not only did the Knicks NOT get FA's, which he was crowing about on TV, but the NETS! beat him to those guys. The second that happened, Mills was toast.
And Rose was hired to fix THAT.
Rose was hired to be POBO, but a POBO that can "get it done" when it comes to getting stars.
Either through FA, or the new school of players demanding trades while under contract
Think about it. Why a guy with an agent background instead of a GM/Exec background?

I hope it goes well, that the Knicks don't starph*ck lower tier stars that don't really move the franchise needle, cap themselves out and get on the mediocrity treadmill. We shall see.

My Dude, are you a novelist by profession? Your posts are like reaking a fkn book..

Only sometimes. I veer wildly between short sarcastic answers and e-books.

All love Bro..

[F N 11]

Good interview with Jazz broadcaster Jeremiah Jensen about Perrin on the Knicks Film School podcast:

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/knicks-film-school/the-knicks-film-school-podcast/e/69770244?refid=asa&autoplay=true

Sounds like we got a great scout who's very thorough in evaluation. Could be a less eccentric version of gaines lol.

Hit on KP and still high on Frank. I’m still high on Frank.

Still think Gaines was a little overhyped...

[kej718]

The last guy named Walt we had lead us to a Championship.

With all those picks we have him and Perry could build us a team.Utah and OKC are places that don't attract free agents. They build through the draft, and now we got 2 guys from those organizations. Perry will probably be out next season, and this guy may replace him.

Walt McCarty?

Speaking of whom, here's Mr Personality today

Walter "Clyde" Frazier

[god shammgod]

Good interview with Jazz broadcaster Jeremiah Jensen about Perrin on the Knicks Film School podcast:

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/knicks-film-school/the-knicks-film-school-podcast/e/69770244?refid=asa&autoplay=true

Sounds like we got a great scout who's very thorough in evaluation. Could be a less eccentric version of gaines lol.

Still think Gaines was a little overhyped...

of course he was. he didn't have a scouting job between jordan's bulls and phil's knicks. he doesn't have one now. a great scout would have worked besides when his friend hires him.

[thebuzzardman]

Good interview with Jazz broadcaster Jeremiah Jensen about Perrin on the Knicks Film School podcast:

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/knicks-film-school/the-knicks-film-school-podcast/e/69770244?refid=asa&autoplay=true

Sounds like we got a great scout who's very thorough in evaluation. Could be a less eccentric version of gaines lol.

Still think Gaines was a little overhyped...

of course he was. he didn't have a scouting job between jordan's bulls and phil's knicks. he doesn't have one now. a great scout would have worked besides when his friend hires him.

More about the podcast then Gaines:

Knicks have some assets in picks and players. This draft has depth, if not top end talent.
When Utah got Gobert and Mitchell, in both instances they executed trades to move up to get those guys.

With Perrin and Brock Aller on board, maybe we see something like that this year for the Knicks.

[thebuzzardman]

I should add not so much that the Knicks come out of the draft with a D. Mitchell level talent, but that they'd be willing to move an asset to get a player they really like, who turns out to be actually good.

[Context]

Dont mess with the Don!

hopefully Melo...I cant even get excited about these moves yet-- but in fairness to some of you that are getting excited...
I havent been following any of these guys in recent years...

[thebuzzardman]

There doesn't HAVE to be, but it's fairly certain there WILL be player movement on the Knicks over the next 4 years.

Now, that's a pretty easy bet, since nearly every NBA team makes some kind of moves, even if it's small ones, basically every year. So saying the Knicks will be turning over some players and making moves over the next 4 years isn't exactly an earth shattering prediction.

Just remember that the Knicks have 7 first rounders in the next 4 years and also 4 2nd rounders. I might be off on this, I always forget if they have a year with two 2nd rounders, but I think it worked out where they replaced their own.

11 picks in 4 years. Obviously some of the 2nd rounders might not stick. Let's assume Perrin increases the odds they will.

But, if we consider players who are young, who the Knicks are going to keep around for a bit, even if that bit is only a year, we have the following:

PG: 2020 pick/Frank/DSJr/Jared Harper
SG: RJ/Dotson (Yes, I know RJ is better as a SF)
SF: Knox, Iggy
PF: Randle (only for a year)\2020 Clippers pick
C: Meetch
Maybe: Winner of the Rabb vs Wooten young big development process, 2020 2nd round pick

That's 11 or 12 players going into next year
The Knicks will surely shed at least 2, and possibly 4 of them, out of: Randle, Frank, DSJr, Dotson
If it's 2, Knicks back down to 10 players. Let's assume they keep a couple for roster continuity, a foreign concept to the Knicks, I know.

2021 Draft - Knicks have 3 picks
Back up to 13 players
Decision on Knox - they'll probably pick up his option, but he could be traded or just not resigned or he's great by now (heh)

2022 Draft - Knicks have two picks
If Knox was let go, 12+2 = 14 players

2023 Draft - Knicks have three picks again


Anyway, post is too long already, but the Knicks don't have to be in a hurry, nor are they forced to trade players or picks, except MAYBE around 2023. I think it's safe to assume that between now and then, Aller, Zanin, Perrin & Rose will/should be dealing players and maybe 2nd round picks for some picks that are a little further away - not a lot, just strategically shuffling a 2nd rounder for a later year 2nd rounder, or they are going to pull a "consolidate the talent\assets" (hopefully) move where a young player or pick gets moved to either move up in a draft, or gets a player who is a somewhat better\better fit than the player/pick going out.

Should be interesting. The Dallas picks probably aren't great but I don't think Dallas is suddenly a top 5 team, so they won't be awful. Knicks own picks should hover mid lotto land for the next 2 or 3 years, so there is always some luck to be had.

They have some decisions to make with Randle/Frank/DSJr next season, in terms of keeping or moving and recovering some kind of value - again, big help to have Aller here and his concepts of value, as well as the other guys, with their reputation for scouting, which hopefully is deserved. Perrin's rep seems pretty unassailable, elder Zanin seems legit, the younger Zanin (the scout) I'm less sure about.

Hopefully the Knicks can do what Boston does, and keep flipping assets more peripheral to them for future assets. Feels like they've had multiple picks in every draft for 10 years. Hopefully they can do what Boston does and find players who are actually good.