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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#121 » by mpharris36 » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:19 am

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GONYK wrote:How many Dem run cities were being burned down under Obama or Bush?


Baltimore and Ferguson come to mind. I don't think you will like my answer but due to the pandemic and this being an election year I do think people are getting paid to incite a lot of these riots. These young Antifa dudes are paid to incite chaos.



bruh. ferguson's mayor was republican when all that went down. :noway:


which proves my point. I don't think antifa is paid by a specifc party they f*ck both sides. They just want the US to burn.
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Post#122 » by GONYK » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:20 am

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Baltimore and Ferguson come to mind. I don't think you will like my answer but due to the pandemic and this being an election year I do think people are getting paid to incite a lot of these riots. These young Antifa dudes are paid to incite chaos.



bruh. ferguson's mayor was republican when all that went down. :noway:


which proves my point. I don't think antifa is paid by a specifc party they f*ck both sides. They just want the US to burn.

There was no such thing as Antifa, as we know them now, back then
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Post#123 » by DOT » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:23 am

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mpharris36 wrote:
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bruh. ferguson's mayor was republican when all that went down. :noway:


which proves my point. I don't think antifa is paid by a specifc party they f*ck both sides. They just want the US to burn.

There was no such thing as Antifa back then

They're also not getting paid
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Post#124 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:24 am

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Yeah. That's not islamophobic, though. Not too worried about that.

Like Christianity, there are religions that have extremists who want to do harm to others. They often overshadow the vast number of those practicing the religion who are peaceful and loving people.

But I'm sure if you asked how she felt about Christian extremists who want non believers hurt, dead, etc, she'd condemn them and call them terrorists - Timothy McVeigh

I would put money on her hating the westboro Baptist Church as well

Radical islam would be similar to saying radical Christians. They exist, and I don't like people who want to do harm to others.

Not sure I like the term radical islam tho.


Nope Tulsi’s Islamophobia goes way beyond these statements and even deeper than I knew. This article is a long read but actually breaks down how Tulsi is not some Progressive champion. It’s laughable that you’d dismiss an article because it’s from CNN (btw Fox News LOVES Tulsi Gabbard) but in any event it fits from criteria and it’s from Jacobin which is so far left it makes Bernie look like Bill Kristol. Read the whole thing. Tulsi is an opportunist and nothing more.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/tulsi-gabbard-president-sanders-democratic-party

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So what is the cause of terrorism, according to Gabbard? Islam, of course.

Before she became a progressive darling for endorsing Sanders, Gabbard became a conservative darling for relentlessly hawking the idea — later popularized by Trump — that Obama’s foreign policy was failing because he refused to use the term “Islamic extremism,” or some variation of it.

From 2014 onward, Gabbard appeared regularly on Fox News to lambast the Obama administration for avoiding the phrase. In one interview, she told the host that “the vast majority of terrorist attacks conducted around the world for over the last decade have been conducted by groups who are fueled by this radical Islamic ideology,” a statement that may be technically true due to the violence and instability plaguing Middle Eastern countries, but is wildly misleading considering that non-Muslims make up the vast, vast majority of terrorist perpetrators in both Europe and the United States.


And it wasn’t just on Fox. Gabbard took her message to any network or outlet that would have her. On CNN, she called Kerry’s refusal to use the term “unfortunate and disturbing.” In an interview with the Hill, she stressed that radical Islam was at the heart of the problem, necessitating “a simultaneous ideological strategy” to defeat terrorists.

The Right was smitten. Breitbart ran article after article trumpeting her criticisms, and former US representative Allen West praised Gabbard for “dar[ing] to challenge Obama.”

In February 2015, Gabbard had the chance to question Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency Vincent Stewart. She asked him (while clearly fishing for a particular answer) about the debate over “how this ideology, how this motivation, must be identified” and what “common elements” existed among different Islamic terrorist groups, including ISIS, al-Qaeda, and Boko Haram. She then went on Fox and reported that Stewart had “identified very clearly that it is this radical Islamic ideology that is fueling” these groups.

But Gabbard had heavily distorted what Stewart actually said. While he did call ISIS “a radical ideology that must be countered with a moderate ideology,” he also pointed out that the common elements that had produced such groups were “ungoverned states, weak government institution, economic instability, poverty.”


Naturally, it wasn’t long before she appeared on Bill Maher’s program, where the two bonded over their mutual distrust of “Islamic extremism” and their disagreement with Kerry’s comments. After agreeing with Maher that it was “crazy” Obama didn’t want to use the two magic words, Gabbard reiterated her point: “Give them a big house, give them a skateboard, send them on their way. You think that’s going to solve the problem? It’s not.”

Gabbard’s insistence that economic factors play no role in fostering extremism, and in fueling ISIS specifically, is belied by the facts. The group pays its recruiters thousands of dollars, and Hamas officers have explicitly outlined how the promise of money has drawn Gazans to ISIS. “Those in Syria often send pictures back home showing large banknotes to lure others out,” one officer told journalist Sarah Helm.

Gabbard’s worldview also leaves out the role that European and US governments, particularly the Reagan administration, have played in bringing hardline fundamentalists to power and prominence. Bin Laden may have been a millionaire, but he was also a CIA recruit.


Gabbard’s suspicion of Islam goes beyond rhetoric. Last year, she supported legislation that would have barred those on the no-fly list — a list that makes a mockery of due process — from buying guns. Before that, in 2014, Gabbard introduced a bill that would have halted the visa waiver program for countries whose citizens had gone to fight with extremists, claiming that the program “puts the American people in danger.” Had it passed, people from the UK, France, Germany, and many other European countries would have been forced to apply for visas before visiting the United States.

In reality, foreign-born terrorists carrying out acts of violence in the United States, particularly from visa waiver countries, is virtually nonexistent. Yet Gabbard hyped the threat. “If we do nothing to close this loophole, and allow a terrorist to carry out an attack on our homeland, the impacts will be devastating,” she warned.

Gabbard’s hardline stance carried over to the subject of refugees. She was one of forty-seven Democrats to join the House GOP in passing the SAFE Act in 2015, which would have added extra requirements to the already onerous refugee vetting process and effectively ground to a halt the admission of Syrian and Iraqi refugees into the country. In a statement, Gabbard claimed she was voting for the bill to save the refugee program.


But Gabbard is less discerning when autocrats aren’t motivated by “radical Islam.” In November 2015, she traveled to Egypt as part of a congressional delegation and met Egyptian dictator Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, part of an effort to strengthen US-Egypt relations. Sisi may be a blood-soaked tyrant who’s killed hundreds of Egyptians and imprisoned many thousands more, but as Gabbard made clear at the time, he’s tough where it counts.

“President el-Sisi has shown great courage and leadership in taking on this extreme Islamist ideology, while also fighting against ISIS militarily to keep them from gaining a foothold in Egypt,” Gabbard said, urging US political leaders to “recognize President el-Sisi and his leadership” and “stand with him in this fight against . . . Islamic extremists.” Some of the Sisi government’s fantastic accomplishments in this fight include killing a group of Mexican tourists and quite possibly torturing and murdering an Italian PhD student.

But perhaps Gabbard’s closest friend on the world stage is India’s Hindu nationalist prime minister Narendra Modi. It’s an ideal match in many respects — not because the two happen to share a faith (Gabbard is the first Hindu American in Congress), but because they both harbor noxious attitudes toward Muslims.


Shortly after September 11, Modi claimed on TV that Islam had tried “to put its flag in the whole world” since the fourteenth century and that “the situation today is the result of that.” As he campaigned for election in 2014, he threatened to deport undocumented immigrants from Bangladesh (who are mostly Muslim), calling them “infiltrators.”

But most appalling was his role in the 2002 anti-Muslim riots in the western state of Gujarat, which left one thousand people dead, nearly eight hundred of whom were Muslims. Modi was the state’s chief minister at the time and has long been accused of allowing the riots to happen, with a former senior police officer testifying in 2011 that Modi said the night before the riots that Muslims needed to be taught a lesson.

Despite all of this, Gabbard has been one of Modi’s most prominent boosters in the US. “He is a leader whose example and dedication to the people he serves should be an inspiration to elected officials everywhere,” she said of Modi in 2014.


When a congressional panel was held in April 2014 on “the plight of religious minorities in India,” with witnesses testifying about the mistreatment of Muslims, Gabbard said she didn’t “believe the time of this hearing is a coincidence” and that it aimed to “influence the outcome of India’s national elections.” Gabbard voted against House Resolution 417, which criticized India’s record on religious violence and called for specific measures to guarantee religious freedom in the country, explaining that its passage wouldn’t help US-India relations. Yet two years later, Gabbard introduced a similar resolution that covered neighboring Muslim-majority Bangladesh, saying she was “particularly concerned over issues of religious freedom, and specifically, attacks against minority Hindus, Christians, Buddhists, and others” in the country.


yikes. i learned some more about tulsi today.


What I don't get is how someone can completely overlook the fact that Tulsi has been one of the primary go-to guests on the Fox Network for many years now. When they need a Democrat to bash the Democrats it's get Tulsi on the show now!

Do people really believe she's an independent thinker expressing dissent against a corrupt system if she's such a Fox mainstay?

How could it not be more obvious she's been working at cross-purposes for years. She's as phoney as a three dollar bill.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#125 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:27 am

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Jeff Van Gully wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
Baltimore and Ferguson come to mind. I don't think you will like my answer but due to the pandemic and this being an election year I do think people are getting paid to incite a lot of these riots. These young Antifa dudes are paid to incite chaos.



bruh. ferguson's mayor was republican when all that went down. :noway:


which proves my point. I don't think antifa is paid by a specifc party they f*ck both sides. They just want the US to burn.


to have a point there would have to be a THEY in They

there is no they. If somebody is a fck everything burn em all down person there's a term for that. It's called an AZZHOLE. That is not an ideology. It is just Nihilism

that there are random aholes doesn't validate any law and order argument based on some mythical threat to the stability of America called Antifa. It's laughable

Further, Trump has stoked domestic terrorism to great lengths. I consider him a domestic terrorist. He enourages his followers to show up with their guns and ammos to the steps of state capitols. He encourages the assassination of journalists. He's a terrorist
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Post#126 » by mpharris36 » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:29 am

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bruh. ferguson's mayor was republican when all that went down. :noway:


which proves my point. I don't think antifa is paid by a specifc party they f*ck both sides. They just want the US to burn.

There was no such thing as Antifa, as we know them now, back then


maybe not in "group" sense but there has always been "antifa" groups since the 20's and 30's. There are always outside parties that trying to sway elections and encite chaos. Like I said there are just people that want to see the world burn

the modern American Antifa movement began in the 1980s with a group called Anti-Racist Action. Its members confronted neo-Nazi skinheads at punk gigs in the American Midwest and elsewhere. By the early 2000s the Antifa movement was mostly dormant - until the rise of Donald Trump and the alt-right.


So you are correct in a sense it wasn't really a thing in a while since trump came to action but its always odd that during thes riots there are bricks and things to destory property with. Thats not something new.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#127 » by Pointgod » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:30 am

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Stannis wrote:What i don't get... Is that from what I watched, the agenda from the right is "if you want safety, more police, controlling the riots, stop illegals, more freedoms, etc. you need to elect Trump".

Which I don't get because... Trump is already in office now. He has the power. Even if I was on the right, I would say Trump failed me. Especially now because it's like he's running a campaign for election, not re-election.


Because the people that Trump appeals to are **** morons. He’s basically saying elect me to prevent the hellscape that’s currently occurring under the leadership of......me?

All law and order to Republicans is to scare white people into keeping the black people in check. He’s running a blatantly racist strategy. It was used by Nixon in the 60’s during the civil rights marches (the rhetoric hasn’t changed from Trumps) and it was used by wealthy slave owners during emancipation. I was watching the news and they compared Trump’s law and order rhetoric from the RNC 2016 to the 2020 RNC. Literally nothing has changed. It’s the same message that America is a hellscape their only he can prevent.

I’d like to see someone ask him what he would if he was re-elected that he can’t do now as President and watch his brain melt in real time. He’d either say something like “Just wait and see” and move onto the next question. It’s only effective though because you’ll never go break betting for racism in America.



thats not going to fly my dude. If you want to have productive civil convos that is fine. But these are the type of responses that lock these threads. So far everyone is doing a good job but these posts don't help.


Yup fair enough not going to argue. Is it fair to say anyone that falls for the law and order grift isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed? I can’t edit the comment so feel free to delete
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#128 » by mpharris36 » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:30 am

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Jeff Van Gully wrote:

bruh. ferguson's mayor was republican when all that went down. :noway:


which proves my point. I don't think antifa is paid by a specifc party they f*ck both sides. They just want the US to burn.


to have a point there would have to be a THEY in They

there is no they. If somebody is a fck everything burn em all down person there's a term for that. It's called an AZZHOLE. That is not an ideology. It is just Nihilism

that there are random aholes doesn't validate any law and order argument based on some mythical threat to the stability of America called Antifa. It's laughable


most of these guys are kids and young people. They don't have the funding or coordination to do this on there own.
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Post#129 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:31 am

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which proves my point. I don't think antifa is paid by a specifc party they f*ck both sides. They just want the US to burn.


to have a point there would have to be a THEY in They

there is no they. If somebody is a fck everything burn em all down person there's a term for that. It's called an AZZHOLE. That is not an ideology. It is just Nihilism

that there are random aholes doesn't validate any law and order argument based on some mythical threat to the stability of America called Antifa. It's laughable


most of these guys are kids and young people. They don't have the funding or coordination to do this on there own.


Oh, that's your argument?

You mean now I need a backer to buy a gallon of gasoline and book of matches? What?
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Post#130 » by Jeff Van Gully » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:31 am

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Nope Tulsi’s Islamophobia goes way beyond these statements and even deeper than I knew. This article is a long read but actually breaks down how Tulsi is not some Progressive champion. It’s laughable that you’d dismiss an article because it’s from CNN (btw Fox News LOVES Tulsi Gabbard) but in any event it fits from criteria and it’s from Jacobin which is so far left it makes Bernie look like Bill Kristol. Read the whole thing. Tulsi is an opportunist and nothing more.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/tulsi-gabbard-president-sanders-democratic-party

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yikes. i learned some more about tulsi today.


What I don't get is how someone can completely overlook the fact that Tulsi has been one of the primary go-to guests on the Fox Network for many years now. When they need a Democrat to bash the Democrats it's get Tulsi on the show now!

Do people really believe she's an independent thinker expressing dissent against a corrupt system if she's such a Fox mainstay?

How could it not be more obvious she's been working at cross-purposes for years. She's as phoney as a three dollar bill.


i don't watch fox news or follow tulsi closely enough to know that. i can imagine i'm not alone.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#131 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:32 am

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which proves my point. I don't think antifa is paid by a specifc party they f*ck both sides. They just want the US to burn.

There was no such thing as Antifa, as we know them now, back then


maybe not in "group" sense but there has always been "antifa" groups since the 20's and 30's. There are always outside parties that trying to sway elections and encite chaos. Like I said there are just people that want to see the world burn

the modern American Antifa movement began in the 1980s with a group called Anti-Racist Action. Its members confronted neo-Nazi skinheads at punk gigs in the American Midwest and elsewhere. By the early 2000s the Antifa movement was mostly dormant - until the rise of Donald Trump and the alt-right.


So you are correct in a sense it wasn't really a thing in a while since trump came to action but its always odd that during thes riots there are bricks and things to destory property with. Thats not something new.


What have you been reading?

No, seriously, where do you get your news from?
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Post#132 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:33 am

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Clyde_Style wrote:
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yikes. i learned some more about tulsi today.


What I don't get is how someone can completely overlook the fact that Tulsi has been one of the primary go-to guests on the Fox Network for many years now. When they need a Democrat to bash the Democrats it's get Tulsi on the show now!

Do people really believe she's an independent thinker expressing dissent against a corrupt system if she's such a Fox mainstay?

How could it not be more obvious she's been working at cross-purposes for years. She's as phoney as a three dollar bill.


i don't watch fox news or follow tulsi closely enough to know that. i can imagine i'm not alone.


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Post#133 » by mpharris36 » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:34 am

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mpharris36 wrote:
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Because the people that Trump appeals to are **** morons. He’s basically saying elect me to prevent the hellscape that’s currently occurring under the leadership of......me?

All law and order to Republicans is to scare white people into keeping the black people in check. He’s running a blatantly racist strategy. It was used by Nixon in the 60’s during the civil rights marches (the rhetoric hasn’t changed from Trumps) and it was used by wealthy slave owners during emancipation. I was watching the news and they compared Trump’s law and order rhetoric from the RNC 2016 to the 2020 RNC. Literally nothing has changed. It’s the same message that America is a hellscape their only he can prevent.

I’d like to see someone ask him what he would if he was re-elected that he can’t do now as President and watch his brain melt in real time. He’d either say something like “Just wait and see” and move onto the next question. It’s only effective though because you’ll never go break betting for racism in America.



thats not going to fly my dude. If you want to have productive civil convos that is fine. But these are the type of responses that lock these threads. So far everyone is doing a good job but these posts don't help.


Yup fair enough not going to argue. Is it fair to say anyone that falls for the law and order grift isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed? I can’t edit the comment so feel free to delete


I mean you are still insulting someone you are just doing it in a slightly more respectful way :lol:

Try, I don't agree with people supporting trumps law and order stance because....this that and this...I think you will find it interesting how many people from the other side would be willing to listen and engage with conversation. If your goal is to just piss the other side off then I suppose you would accomplish that with that comment. :lol:
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#134 » by bishnykfan » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:34 am

mpharris36 wrote:the alt right was fighting antifa down in Charlottesville . The alt right and antifa both can jump of a cliff for all I care :lol:



If it's the right that is starting these riots in mostly democrat cities why aren't the democrat mayors and governors protecting their citizens? It really doesn't make a lot of sense to say that the right is starting riots in democrat run cities so Trump can run on law and order all while the Democrat mayors let their cities burn.

There seems to be a pretty pronounced difference between protestors and rioters. Seems that the peaceful protesting which everyone should be supportive of happens during the day and then the rioters and looters and anarchists show up to do damage after dark.

Whether you want to use the term Antifa or anarchist or whatever, these are occurring in mostly democrat run cities where the democrat leaders have either tied the hands of their law enforcement or are simply outnumbered and overmatched. When they don't put these riots down and even encourage the lawlessness in places, they embolden the rioters. Violence will continue when this occurs.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#135 » by mpharris36 » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:36 am

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GONYK wrote:There was no such thing as Antifa, as we know them now, back then


maybe not in "group" sense but there has always been "antifa" groups since the 20's and 30's. There are always outside parties that trying to sway elections and encite chaos. Like I said there are just people that want to see the world burn

the modern American Antifa movement began in the 1980s with a group called Anti-Racist Action. Its members confronted neo-Nazi skinheads at punk gigs in the American Midwest and elsewhere. By the early 2000s the Antifa movement was mostly dormant - until the rise of Donald Trump and the alt-right.


So you are correct in a sense it wasn't really a thing in a while since trump came to action but its always odd that during thes riots there are bricks and things to destory property with. Thats not something new.


What have you been reading?

No, seriously, where do you get your news from?



that is from BBC are they not credible?

most would say they have at least a slight left bias...so I'm not quoting fox news for you :lol:

give me more credit than that.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#136 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:42 am

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mpharris36 wrote:
maybe not in "group" sense but there has always been "antifa" groups since the 20's and 30's. There are always outside parties that trying to sway elections and encite chaos. Like I said there are just people that want to see the world burn



So you are correct in a sense it wasn't really a thing in a while since trump came to action but its always odd that during thes riots there are bricks and things to destory property with. Thats not something new.


What have you been reading?

No, seriously, where do you get your news from?



that is from BBC are they not credible?

most would say they have at least a slight left bias...so I'm not quoting fox news for you :lol:

give me more credit than that.


Yeah but you're still pushing the phrase Antifa as if there is an organization in America presently operating that handles the logistics of where to burn and when as the handiwork of a centralized group called Antifa. There is not

Whether or not anyone presently identifies someone else as Antifa or if someone says "I'm Antifa" there is no organized threat to American called Antifa

Antifa as a term is a presently only valid as a cartoon word used by the right to stoke fear
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Post#137 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:52 am

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mpharris36 wrote:the alt right was fighting antifa down in Charlottesville . The alt right and antifa both can jump of a cliff for all I care :lol:



If it's the right that is starting these riots in mostly democrat cities why aren't the democrat mayors and governors protecting their citizens? It really doesn't make a lot of sense to say that the right is starting riots in democrat run cities so Trump can run on law and order all while the Democrat mayors let their cities burn.

There seems to be a pretty pronounced difference between protestors and rioters. Seems that the peaceful protesting which everyone should be supportive of happens during the day and then the rioters and looters and anarchists show up to do damage after dark.

Whether you want to use the term Antifa or anarchist or whatever, these are occurring in mostly democrat run cities where the democrat leaders have either tied the hands of their law enforcement or are simply outnumbered and overmatched. When they don't put these riots down and even encourage the lawlessness in places, they embolden the rioters. Violence will continue when this occurs.


OK, go back and re-read what you just wrote with the following question as a filter:

In what cities would unrest justify the right's arguments?

Do you not know that there have been many reports of outside agitators coming in to set fires?

Sure, some destruction is done by locals, but there is plenty of video of local confronting outsiders and telling them to stop destroying and vandalizing.

And do you know that when Trump sent in troops to Portland they issued a list of domestic terror acts to justify their invasion? Do you know what that list was? It was a list of graffiti sites, not attacks, not arson, but frigging graffiti

Go research more. There's tons of agitation done by people who are not locals and that is going to get politicized by the right regardless of the actual facts that some of the violence and arson and destruction is staged by agents from outside of the communities.

And here's another question: Is Kenosha a liberal city? Do you think cops aiding and abetting a white nationalist teenager to commit homicide is combatting Antifa?
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#138 » by mpharris36 » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:56 am

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Clyde_Style wrote:
What have you been reading?

No, seriously, where do you get your news from?



that is from BBC are they not credible?

most would say they have at least a slight left bias...so I'm not quoting fox news for you :lol:

give me more credit than that.


Yeah but you're still pushing the phrase Antifa as if there is an organization in America presently operating that handles the logistics of where to burn and when as the handiwork of a centralized group called Antifa. There is not

Whether or not anyone presently identifies someone else as Antifa or if someone says "I'm Antifa" there is no organized threat to American called Antifa

Antifa as a term is a presently only valid as a cartoon word used by the right to stoke fear



I think as bish said. Antifa is just a term. Call them anarchist whatever you want. They just want to burn western civilization. From the tip of the iceberg we only see 18 year old punks with gas masks that turn peacefull prostests into riots for a reason. It not only delutes the protests purposes (which is wrong because peaceful protesting is important in this country) it destorys small own businesses in those cities and peoples homes.
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Post#139 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Aug 29, 2020 2:03 am

mpharris36 wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:

that is from BBC are they not credible?

most would say they have at least a slight left bias...so I'm not quoting fox news for you :lol:

give me more credit than that.


Yeah but you're still pushing the phrase Antifa as if there is an organization in America presently operating that handles the logistics of where to burn and when as the handiwork of a centralized group called Antifa. There is not

Whether or not anyone presently identifies someone else as Antifa or if someone says "I'm Antifa" there is no organized threat to American called Antifa

Antifa as a term is a presently only valid as a cartoon word used by the right to stoke fear



I think as bish said. Antifa is just a term. Call them anarchist whatever you want. They just want to burn western civilization. From the tip of the iceberg we only see 18 year old punks with gas masks that turn peacefull prostests into riots for a reason. It not only delutes the protests purposes (which is wrong because peaceful protesting is important in this country) it destorys small own businesses in those cities and peoples homes.


I completely agree with you that it is wrong and counter-productive. It pisses me off.

You may recall I was attacked quite visciously in the George Floyd thread because I was the only one who stood up and said don't burn down your bodega, it isn't right. I was called a white supremacist and the enemy of black people and Whitey for sticking my nose into black peoples' anger. FCK THAT! I know right and wrong and I do not believe in By Any Means Necessary until you have exhausted the better options which is using the system to ensure legit law and order and bringing bad guys to justice. In that case, the bad guys are the cops. In this case, it may be an arsonist. And both are wrong.

So I'm a big believer in mass protest and I think it will triumph over the present evils which are vastly more dangerous than worrying about the actions of a handful of nihilist destructive aholes who make it hard for everyone.

My point is Trump wants aholes to set fires. Not every one of those arsonists is just a random person, but the opposition creating chaos to stoke the Trump law and order theme. Antifa as an organized threat is BS. End of story AFAIK
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#140 » by Stannis » Sat Aug 29, 2020 2:06 am

GONYK wrote:
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GONYK wrote:I'm not sure there is proof that they are being paid by anyone or are organized in any way.

They are just anarchists.


Love when the protesters r called anarchist, but they supposedly vote for socialist like Bernie and apparently Biden who's a socialist now

don't see how you can support anarchy and socialism

I didn't call the protesters anarchists. I called antifa that.

I would be surprised if they vote at all.
Wasn't referring to you, but the right.

I agree. I know some antifa people, and I don't think any of them are voting. And tbh, they mostly just seem like angry people. I wouldn't be surprised if they want a Trump victory because it'll bring more craziness.
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