2019-2020 College/Draft thread X [marks the spot] (Knicks own #8 pick, 11/18 DRAFT)

[robillionaire]

If Melo is that transcendental generational player, one that is the engine of winning teams like LeBron, Kawai, Curry then yea, 8 and Mitch may in hindsight be worth it. Though, we don't know if his career is maybe only a little better than his brother then no it isn't worth it.

Is he a superstar or just a good to very good role player? What if he's a third best 'star' on a winning team, not the lead one? Who knows? If the Knicks have the chance to make that deal can the new FO risk the next few years on that experiment? Can they risk not doing it if there to do?

Balls and all of it may be a terrible move or a franchise making one.

Do you do it?

well for one if you knew he was a transcendental generational player like LeBron, Kawhi, Curry, I think it's an understatement to say "8 and Mitch may in hindsight be worth it", who wouldn't trade 8 and Mitch for one of those players? it would be a historic heist. Now not to bash him but to me Mitch isn't looking like more than a pretty solid role player at best, perhaps not even a starter or someone you can count on to close a game, and could the 8th pick really be anything great in this draft? I'd do the deal in a snap. Even if he wasn't a generational player but a franchise cornerstone starting PG or even just an above average NBA PG it would be worth it. Worst case scenario he is a total bust and we lost our backup center over it, still worth the gamble.

[DowNY]

Hypothetically, let’s say we trade Mitch, 8 and maybe a 2nd next year for 2 to draft LaMelo.

Would y’all be opposed to trading for CP3 still, even if they include Steven Adams ?
We’d have to trade Portis, Eliington, Payton (All 3 for salary purposes) and maybe DSJr with Knox and maybe a pick (idk, figure it out. Maybe the 27th or 2023 Mavs pick).

We sitting here with CP3 to guide LaMelo and Adams replacing Mitch. Still have main picks. Still have RJ & Frank. Just don’t have cap to sign anyone and the 2021 cap space murky (but we’ll still have 2 picks).

Drastic overpay on our end

Is it really though? Keep those 2021 picks.

Lamelo/CP3
Frank/—-
RJ/Iggy
Randle/Wooten
Steven Adams/—-

[HarthorneWingo]

Hypothetically, let’s say we trade Mitch, 8 and maybe a 2nd next year for 2 to draft LaMelo.

Would y’all be opposed to trading for CP3 still, even if they include Steven Adams ?
We’d have to trade Portis, Eliington, Payton (All 3 for salary purposes) and maybe DSJr with Knox and maybe a pick (idk, figure it out. Maybe the 27th or 2023 Mavs pick).

We sitting here with CP3 to guide LaMelo and Adams replacing Mitch. Still have main picks. Still have RJ & Frank. Just don’t have cap to sign anyone and the 2021 cap space murky (but we’ll still have 2 picks).

Drastic overpay on our end

Is it really though? Keep those 2021 picks.

Lamelo/CP3
Frank/—-
RJ/Iggy
Randle/Wooten
Steven Adams/—-

Bruh

Relax

[DaGawd]

Hypothetically, let’s say we trade Mitch, 8 and maybe a 2nd next year for 2 to draft LaMelo.

Would y’all be opposed to trading for CP3 still, even if they include Steven Adams ?
We’d have to trade Portis, Eliington, Payton (All 3 for salary purposes) and maybe DSJr with Knox and maybe a pick (idk, figure it out. Maybe the 27th or 2023 Mavs pick).

We sitting here with CP3 to guide LaMelo and Adams replacing Mitch. Still have main picks. Still have RJ & Frank. Just don’t have cap to sign anyone and the 2021 cap space murky (but we’ll still have 2 picks).

Drastic overpay on our end

Is it really though? Keep those 2021 picks.

Lamelo/CP3
Frank/—-
RJ/Iggy
Randle/Wooten
Steven Adams/—-

Yeah. I think we should at least get another pick back from GS in a draft that doesn't really have any sure things even at the top of it when you're giving up a guy whose young and cheap who already has a high impact plus a top 10 pick

[robillionaire]

Hypothetically, let’s say we trade Mitch, 8 and maybe a 2nd next year for 2 to draft LaMelo.

Would y’all be opposed to trading for CP3 still, even if they include Steven Adams ?
We’d have to trade Portis, Eliington, Payton (All 3 for salary purposes) and maybe DSJr with Knox and maybe a pick (idk, figure it out. Maybe the 27th or 2023 Mavs pick).

We sitting here with CP3 to guide LaMelo and Adams replacing Mitch. Still have main picks. Still have RJ & Frank. Just don’t have cap to sign anyone and the 2021 cap space murky (but we’ll still have 2 picks).

Drastic overpay on our end

Is it really though? Keep those 2021 picks.

Lamelo/CP3
Frank/—-
RJ/Iggy
Randle/Wooten
Steven Adams/—-

to this i would say, if we got lamelo we don't need cp3. if you're bringing him in as a mentor there are better and cheaper options available that don't involve us giving up assets to bring them in. I don't even think we need one though. just run lamelo out there and get ready for 2021

[King of Canada]

Drastic overpay on our end

Is it really though? Keep those 2021 picks.

Lamelo/CP3
Frank/—-
RJ/Iggy
Randle/Wooten
Steven Adams/—-

to this i would say, if we got lamelo we don't need cp3. if you're bringing him in as a mentor there are better and cheaper options available that don't involve us giving up assets to bring them in. I don't even think we need one though. just run lamelo out there and get ready for 2021

Did somebody say mentor?

[KnicksGadfly]

Listen to this Edwards interview with Mike Schmitz all the way through. The notion that he's not bright and just ad libs should be quickly dismissed.

Folks need to stop just buying into everything they hear. All you need is one mouthpiece online to say something and everyone freaking buys into it hook line and sinker instead of actually doing some digging and watching yourself. It's a sign of a lazy weak mind.

Watch on YouTube

He's extremely sharp. He recognizes what he needs to do very quickly. Whether he will? Who knows, but it's not for lack of awareness or understanding.

If he falls' to 8 I'd cream my pants. Get him with Thibs (or a similar coach) and you can have one heck of a player. But, he won't, so my pants and drawers are safe.

In general, that's a fan piece. It's a fan writing an article with his opinion, not some expert. Most casual fans (and armchair experts) still think that Okongwu is a 6'9" center that just defends and dunks when, as I've said repeatedly, he's so much more than just that if folks actually take the time to watch him play and think. That's why.

Teams might even be leaking on purpose to influence draft rankings and facilitate trades.

That said... my gosh, Anthony Edwards is an awful player! Low IQ! Definitely would not draft him if he was there at 8!

Based on what? My guess is that you were a huge Jarrett Culver fan? Some of you guys need to just stop.

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[Zenzibar]

Hypothetically, let’s say we trade Mitch, 8 and maybe a 2nd next year for 2 to draft LaMelo.

Would y’all be opposed to trading for CP3 still, even if they include Steven Adams ?
We’d have to trade Portis, Eliington, Payton (All 3 for salary purposes) and maybe DSJr with Knox and maybe a pick (idk, figure it out. Maybe the 27th or 2023 Mavs pick).

We sitting here with CP3 to guide LaMelo and Adams replacing Mitch. Still have main picks. Still have RJ & Frank. Just don’t have cap to sign anyone and the 2021 cap space murky (but we’ll still have 2 picks).

Drastic overpay on our end

Is it really though? Keep those 2021 picks.

Lamelo/CP3
Frank/—-
RJ/Iggy
Randle/Wooten
Steven Adams/—-

In what world is CP3 playing behind LaMelo "no jump shot' Ball? Also I like all those "--" you have in there.

[thebuzzardman]

Ricky G has some Uncomfortable Truths that some of you just close your ears to.

it appears ricky g also reads bleacher report - from earlier today

The Best Trade Offer Every NBA Lottery Team Could Hear on Draft Night

Golden State Warriors receive: Mitchell Robinson and No. 8 pick

New York Knicks receive: No. 2 pick

While ESPN's Tim Bontemps reported "unanimous" thinking around the Association that the Warriors will try to trade this pick, the market isn't breaking in the Dubs' favor. If this was supposed to be their ticket to a Bradley Beal, Ben Simmons or Giannis Antetokounmpo, those exchanges aren't happening.

Golden State could set its sights on a lower tier—optimistically a Jrue Holiday type, but realistically maybe Aaron Gordon—though that might be asking for trouble. Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green are all on the wrong side of 30. The Splash Brothers just had their seasons wiped out by injuries, and Green could be tumbling down a steep decline. An outright pursuit of instant relief might be misguided.

Instead, it arguably makes the most sense to chase young talent and simply move down the draft board. If Ball makes it past No. 1 and the Knicks are desperate to have him, this is how the Warriors scratch both itches.

Mitchell Robinson immediately turbo-charges Golden State's frontcourt athleticism, providing both back-line protection on defense and aerial finishing on offense. The Knicks were a mess at point guard this season, and Robinson still finished in the 98th percentile of pick-and-roll screeners. He might be cheat-code dominant if he can play off Curry and Thompson.

By trading down in the draft, the Warriors can worry less about ceiling and more about polish. If the eighth pick nets them Tyrese Haliburton, Devin Vassell or Obi Toppin, they can comfortably expect that player to handle a regular role in next season's rotation.

Ricky G reads everything and sees everything and then from it distills the Pure and Uncomfortable Truths that the world needs.

Ricky is here to save us Knick fans. He's a prophet of the good LaMelo news!

[thebuzzardman]

Drastic overpay on our end

Is it really though? Keep those 2021 picks.

Lamelo/CP3
Frank/—-
RJ/Iggy
Randle/Wooten
Steven Adams/—-

In what world is CP3 playing behind LaMelo "no jump shot' Ball? Also I like all those "--" you have in there.

I don't agree with the trade entirely - maybe the Knicks could get CPaul just a little cheaper, but if it were to happen, I think CPaul and LaMelo would be playing together in a "Two PG" backcourt, with Frank and Dotson (or the 27th pick) backing up the guard spots

But neither trade are happening. No LaMelo. No CPaul. No nothing. Maybe broken down Olidiapo.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I would love to find a way to get LaMelo. He is the best player in the draft imo. But if we could somehow get him while keeping Mitch....Those are 2 guys you would want to pair next to each other. LaMelo throwing lobs to Mitch all day

It probably wont happen anyway and we are stuck at #8 anyway.

[-YogiBiz-]

if smart teams don't sign players like mitch, why does golden state want to move down in the draft for a year or 2 of him ? i guess they're being stupid again. if only they could get it together.

If they can get him for cheap for two years and a prospect why wouldn't they?

[HerSports85]

This is a trade I'll like to see.

Bullock + Payton + #27 for Ariza + #16

[-YogiBiz-]

This is a trade I'll like to see.

Bullock + Payton + #27 for Ariza + #16

Why would the Blazer do that? They already have a pretty decent backup PG and Ariza > Bullock in a vacuum and in their current situation.

If we can rob them, you go for that deal. I just don't think the Blazer would be interested in doing that trade.

[HerSports85]

also I'm not trading Mitch + #8. I don't wish to trade him at all, but if were to do it, it'll have to be Mitch + #27 + Dallas 2023

[Zenzibar]

Is it really though? Keep those 2021 picks.

Lamelo/CP3
Frank/—-
RJ/Iggy
Randle/Wooten
Steven Adams/—-

In what world is CP3 playing behind LaMelo "no jump shot' Ball? Also I like all those "--" you have in there.

I don't agree with the trade entirely - maybe the Knicks could get CPaul just a little cheaper, but if it were to happen, I think CPaul and LaMelo would be playing together in a "Two PG" backcourt, with Frank and Dotson (or the 27th pick) backing up the guard spots

But neither trade are happening. No LaMelo. No CPaul. No nothing. Maybe broken down Olidiapo.

Bro, you really think the Knicks are going to bind themelves to that monstrous contract?
A contract that will prohibit the team from even pitching a contract offer to the likes of Jerami Grant, which I want on the team over Paul.

That's a $40Million two year hit! No cap-space, less draft picks, one less young player. A team in the Knicks position is not likely to give up money, picks and a young player for that "chance".

[NYKnickerbocker]

Feel like lamelo has the lowest floor but the highest ceiling in terms of value as a #1 pick. Scared of him

[thebuzzardman]

In what world is CP3 playing behind LaMelo "no jump shot' Ball? Also I like all those "--" you have in there.

I don't agree with the trade entirely - maybe the Knicks could get CPaul just a little cheaper, but if it were to happen, I think CPaul and LaMelo would be playing together in a "Two PG" backcourt, with Frank and Dotson (or the 27th pick) backing up the guard spots

But neither trade are happening. No LaMelo. No CPaul. No nothing. Maybe broken down Olidiapo.

Bro, you really think the Knicks are going to bind themelves to that monstrous contract?
A contract that will prohibit the team from even pitching a contract offer to the likes of Jerami Grant, which I want on the team over Paul.

That's a $40Million two year hit! No cap-space, less draft picks, one less young player. A team in the Knicks position is not likely to give up money, picks and a young player for that "chance".

I don't know if they will or not. If they do, I'm against this FO. Right now they have my conditional trust but need to prove if they are competent.

Anyway, my point was that IF the Knicks were to somehow get BOTH LaMelo (unlikely) and CPaul (unlikely), they'd probably play them together in the starting lineup and then work in Frank and Dotson in the guard rotation.

Just idly speculating off the prior idle speculation.

[Zenzibar]

I don't agree with the trade entirely - maybe the Knicks could get CPaul just a little cheaper, but if it were to happen, I think CPaul and LaMelo would be playing together in a "Two PG" backcourt, with Frank and Dotson (or the 27th pick) backing up the guard spots

But neither trade are happening. No LaMelo. No CPaul. No nothing. Maybe broken down Olidiapo.

Bro, you really think the Knicks are going to bind themelves to that monstrous contract?
A contract that will prohibit the team from even pitching a contract offer to the likes of Jerami Grant, which I want on the team over Paul.

That's a $40Million two year hit! No cap-space, less draft picks, one less young player. A team in the Knicks position is not likely to give up money, picks and a young player for that "chance".

I don't know if they will or not. If they do, I'm against this FO. Right now they have my conditional trust but need to prove if they are competent.

Anyway, my point was that IF the Knicks were to somehow get BOTH LaMelo (unlikely) and CPaul (unlikely), they'd probably play them together in the starting lineup and then work in Frank and Dotson in the guard rotation.

Just idly speculating off the prior idle speculation.

Bro, you have waaay too much time on your hands...

[-YogiBiz-]

In what world is CP3 playing behind LaMelo "no jump shot' Ball? Also I like all those "--" you have in there.

I don't agree with the trade entirely - maybe the Knicks could get CPaul just a little cheaper, but if it were to happen, I think CPaul and LaMelo would be playing together in a "Two PG" backcourt, with Frank and Dotson (or the 27th pick) backing up the guard spots

But neither trade are happening. No LaMelo. No CPaul. No nothing. Maybe broken down Olidiapo.

Bro, you really think the Knicks are going to bind themelves to that monstrous contract?
A contract that will prohibit the team from even pitching a contract offer to the likes of Jerami Grant, which I want on the team over Paul.

That's a $40Million two year hit! No cap-space, less draft picks, one less young player. A team in the Knicks position is not likely to give up money, picks and a young player for that "chance".

If all we give up is Knox, I am not against it. We need to get compensation back too though. Which I doubt will happen. So just keep Knox and hope he figures it out. Sign Grant (who I would love next to Mitch) and get Meyers Leanord to back up Mitch.

I wouldn't mind Chris Paul, but this is with the mindset that we are paid to take on his contract.