2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath

[HarthorneWingo]

Hakeem Jeffries is already talking shyt at AOC. It's on.

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SMH. What a dumb statement to make there, Hakeem.

The Democrats are the ones without a clear message and that's coming from the top. Why isn't the SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE and her deputies coming up with winning formulas so they can stop getting destroyed in places they need representation? You don't blame a newly hired paralegal for a failing mission statement, you look at the CEO.

Pelosi and her deputies are essentially the shareholders of the Democratic party. They should communicate their vision/mission statement so everyone in the organization is on the same page. Not someone like AOC - unless they're ready to promote her...

At this point the dems are gonna deserve exactly what they get. After Biden, theres no more obama to save you idjits from yourselves. If progressives are hijacking the message, it's the leaderships job to rein it in HAKEEM. But they clearly havent and turning progressives into the boogeyman in some lame attempt to save face is (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and if you drive them from the party, what are you going to do then? If this election showed us anything, its that gems need every vote that they can get.

Here's more evidence from back in July of Trump's intention to end the wars.

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/02/house-democrats-working-with-liz-cheney-restrict-trumps-planned-withdrawal-of-troops-from-afghanistan-and-germany/

It ironic that the Dem losses in the House make the progressive caucus votes CRUCIAL to any legislation it passes. I think the Dems are only up by 8 votes in the House and there are 12 members in the progressive caucus. Pelosi's ineptitude may have given us more power.

[Oscirus]

SMH. What a dumb statement to make there, Hakeem.

The Democrats are the ones without a clear message and that's coming from the top. Why isn't the SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE and her deputies coming up with winning formulas so they can stop getting destroyed in places they need representation? You don't blame a newly hired paralegal for a failing mission statement, you look at the CEO.

Pelosi and her deputies are essentially the shareholders of the Democratic party. They should communicate their vision/mission statement so everyone in the organization is on the same page. Not someone like AOC - unless they're ready to promote her...

At this point the dems are gonna deserve exactly what they get. After Biden, theres no more obama to save you idjits from yourselves. If progressives are hijacking the message, it's the leaderships job to rein it in HAKEEM. But they clearly havent and turning progressives into the boogeyman in some lame attempt to save face is (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and if you drive them from the party, what are you going to do then? If this election showed us anything, its that gems need every vote that they can get.

Here's more evidence from back in July of Trump's intention to end the wars.

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/02/house-democrats-working-with-liz-cheney-restrict-trumps-planned-withdrawal-of-troops-from-afghanistan-and-germany/

It ironic that the Dem losses in the House make the progressive caucus votes CRUCIAL to any legislation it passes. I think the Dems are only up by 8 votes in the House and there are 12 members in the progressive caucus. Pelosi's ineptitude may have given us more power.

AOC's literally telling these idiots that she'll them them what their weaknesses are if they'll work with her and they continue to slap her hand away.

[K_ick_God]

It's amazing how spammy Trump's Twitter feed is. It feels like you're wading through up to your knees in cattle poo.

[K_ick_God]

SMH. What a dumb statement to make there, Hakeem.

The Democrats are the ones without a clear message and that's coming from the top. Why isn't the SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE and her deputies coming up with winning formulas so they can stop getting destroyed in places they need representation? You don't blame a newly hired paralegal for a failing mission statement, you look at the CEO.

Pelosi and her deputies are essentially the shareholders of the Democratic party. They should communicate their vision/mission statement so everyone in the organization is on the same page. Not someone like AOC - unless they're ready to promote her...

At this point the dems are gonna deserve exactly what they get. After Biden, theres no more obama to save you idjits from yourselves. If progressives are hijacking the message, it's the leaderships job to rein it in HAKEEM. But they clearly havent and turning progressives into the boogeyman in some lame attempt to save face is (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and if you drive them from the party, what are you going to do then? If this election showed us anything, its that gems need every vote that they can get.

Here's more evidence from back in July of Trump's intention to end the wars.

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/02/house-democrats-working-with-liz-cheney-restrict-trumps-planned-withdrawal-of-troops-from-afghanistan-and-germany/

It ironic that the Dem losses in the House make the progressive caucus votes CRUCIAL to any legislation it passes. I think the Dems are only up by 8 votes in the House and there are 12 members in the progressive caucus. Pelosi's ineptitude may have given us more power.

Trump has aided and abetted hardline right policy from Israel and the Royals. Yemen is a big humanitarian disaster. And droning has picked up too. I'm sure he wanted some political advantage from leaving Afghanistan but I don't believe he's any kind of Dove at all.

[Clyde_Style]

Looks like they found something?

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You mean more BS? Those sauces are the absolute worst.

I get concerned when they have actual numbers. Hope the source is garbage

OANN is a troll organization. Come on!

[Clyde_Style]

McGrath described herself as a “Trump Democrat.” And the DNC supported her over Booker!!! What appalling stupidity. Schumer is an idiot.

She has the charisma of a cabbage. Her debate clips were painful to watch

[Clyde_Style]

Well, well, well. This is a very interesting report out of Vox.com. Trump is going to SHOCK THE WORLD!

https://www.vox.com/21560260/trump-pentagon-defense-secretary-esper-afghanistan

But experts I spoke to doubt those (i.e. coup attempt) explanations, and suspect what’s really going on is that Trump finally had an opening to clean house at the Pentagon with the election now over, and that he’s putting in people more amenable to his wishes in order to finally accomplish some of the policies the Esper-led Pentagon had pushed back on — such as withdrawing all remaining US troops from Afghanistan before Christmas.

Trump promised in October that those troops would be home by the holiday. But while the White House pushed hard on the Pentagon to fulfill that wish, Defense Department leaders resisted, saying instead any withdrawal needed to be “conditions-based” — in other words, when violence in Afghanistan wasn’t spiking.

That set off a months-long back and forth that ended with the White House angry at the Pentagon. A White House official told me O’Brien, the national security adviser, had a bad relationship with Esper and wanted him out, recommending to Trump that Miller take his place. Trump seems to have listened, and now the pathway is open for the troop withdrawal the president wants.

On Wednesday, Axios reported that Douglas Macgregor, a Fox News contributor and veteran who has long advocated for pulling US troops out of the Middle East, just joined the Pentagon as an adviser to Miller. That bolsters the claim that the moves are really about an expedited troop withdrawal more than anything else.

That explanation should assuage concerns that the real goal here is for these staffers to “burrow” themselves at the Pentagon, meaning a Biden administration couldn’t remove them from their posts. But such fears are unfounded, according to Loren DeJonge Schulman, a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security think tank in Washington, DC.

She told me that all the new Pentagon civilian leaders are political appointees. Biden, then, can easily have them removed once he enters office in January. “Political appointees serve at the pleasure of the president,” Schulman said.

Put together, vigilance and skepticism of the moves are completely fair and warranted. But there’s no evidence that something nefarious is afoot, at least not yet.

NO,NO AND NO!

Trump switched up officials to make it easier for him to get paid for selling weapons while he still has that opportunity.

Fcking media dropping the ball again

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You mean more BS? Those sauces are the absolute worst.

I get concerned when they have actual numbers. Hope the source is garbage

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[HarthorneWingo]

At this point the dems are gonna deserve exactly what they get. After Biden, theres no more obama to save you idjits from yourselves. If progressives are hijacking the message, it's the leaderships job to rein it in HAKEEM. But they clearly havent and turning progressives into the boogeyman in some lame attempt to save face is (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and if you drive them from the party, what are you going to do then? If this election showed us anything, its that gems need every vote that they can get.

Here's more evidence from back in July of Trump's intention to end the wars.

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/02/house-democrats-working-with-liz-cheney-restrict-trumps-planned-withdrawal-of-troops-from-afghanistan-and-germany/

It ironic that the Dem losses in the House make the progressive caucus votes CRUCIAL to any legislation it passes. I think the Dems are only up by 8 votes in the House and there are 12 members in the progressive caucus. Pelosi's ineptitude may have given us more power.

Trump has aided and abetted hardline right policy from Israel and the Royals. Yemen is a big humanitarian disaster. And droning has picked up too. I'm sure he wanted some political advantage from leaving Afghanistan but I don't believe he's any kind of Dove at all.

It's certainly sound policy to question Trump's motives on all forms of U.S. policy. This was a promise that he made during his campaign in '16 as I recall.

I, like many others, would like to see us negotiate our way out of the Middle East. These wars are complete disasters.

[HarthorneWingo]

Well, well, well. This is a very interesting report out of Vox.com. Trump is going to SHOCK THE WORLD!

https://www.vox.com/21560260/trump-pentagon-defense-secretary-esper-afghanistan

But experts I spoke to doubt those (i.e. coup attempt) explanations, and suspect what’s really going on is that Trump finally had an opening to clean house at the Pentagon with the election now over, and that he’s putting in people more amenable to his wishes in order to finally accomplish some of the policies the Esper-led Pentagon had pushed back on — such as withdrawing all remaining US troops from Afghanistan before Christmas.

Trump promised in October that those troops would be home by the holiday. But while the White House pushed hard on the Pentagon to fulfill that wish, Defense Department leaders resisted, saying instead any withdrawal needed to be “conditions-based” — in other words, when violence in Afghanistan wasn’t spiking.

That set off a months-long back and forth that ended with the White House angry at the Pentagon. A White House official told me O’Brien, the national security adviser, had a bad relationship with Esper and wanted him out, recommending to Trump that Miller take his place. Trump seems to have listened, and now the pathway is open for the troop withdrawal the president wants.

On Wednesday, Axios reported that Douglas Macgregor, a Fox News contributor and veteran who has long advocated for pulling US troops out of the Middle East, just joined the Pentagon as an adviser to Miller. That bolsters the claim that the moves are really about an expedited troop withdrawal more than anything else.

That explanation should assuage concerns that the real goal here is for these staffers to “burrow” themselves at the Pentagon, meaning a Biden administration couldn’t remove them from their posts. But such fears are unfounded, according to Loren DeJonge Schulman, a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security think tank in Washington, DC.

She told me that all the new Pentagon civilian leaders are political appointees. Biden, then, can easily have them removed once he enters office in January. “Political appointees serve at the pleasure of the president,” Schulman said.

Put together, vigilance and skepticism of the moves are completely fair and warranted. But there’s no evidence that something nefarious is afoot, at least not yet.

NO,NO AND NO!

Trump switched up officials to make it easier for him to get paid for selling weapons while he still has that opportunity.

Fcking media dropping the ball again

Source?

[Clyde_Style]

Well, well, well. This is a very interesting report out of Vox.com. Trump is going to SHOCK THE WORLD!

https://www.vox.com/21560260/trump-pentagon-defense-secretary-esper-afghanistan

NO,NO AND NO!

Trump switched up officials to make it easier for him to get paid for selling weapons while he still has that opportunity.

Fcking media dropping the ball again

Source?

There is no policy in the Trump administration unless Trump can profit from it

It's bloody obvious

Source? That's why I'm saying the media is dropping the ball. They should be digging into the real reasons. Trump is not securing his political legacy in the last two months. That's hilarious! What legacy? It's a mad scramble for cash. He's a traitor and he'll sell off anything he can for back door payments. So why are you asking for sources? Put 2 + 2 together

[HarthorneWingo]

NO,NO AND NO!

Trump switched up officials to make it easier for him to get paid for selling weapons while he still has that opportunity.

Fcking media dropping the ball again

Source?

There is no policy in the Trump administration unless Trump can profit from it

It's bloody obvious

Source? That's why I'm saying the media is dropping the ball. They should be digging into the real reasons. Trump is not securing his political legacy in the last two months. That's hilarious! What legacy? It's a mad scramble for cash. He's a traitor and he'll sell off anything he can for back door payments. So why are you asking for sources? Put 2 + 2 together

Do you the troops to be brought home by the Xmas holidays?

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[Clyde_Style]

Source?

There is no policy in the Trump administration unless Trump can profit from it

It's bloody obvious

Source? That's why I'm saying the media is dropping the ball. They should be digging into the real reasons. Trump is not securing his political legacy in the last two months. That's hilarious! What legacy? It's a mad scramble for cash. He's a traitor and he'll sell off anything he can for back door payments. So why are you asking for sources? Put 2 + 2 together

Do you the troops to be brought home by the Xmas holidays?

My knee jerk reaction is to not have troops in such places at all, but the realist in me understands I'd have to be more up to date on the situation to know the ramifications of a quick and dirty exodus. So I can't give you an opinion on a timeline as I'm not current on Afghanistan and who will be impacted by such a move.

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[HarthorneWingo]

There is no policy in the Trump administration unless Trump can profit from it

It's bloody obvious

Source? That's why I'm saying the media is dropping the ball. They should be digging into the real reasons. Trump is not securing his political legacy in the last two months. That's hilarious! What legacy? It's a mad scramble for cash. He's a traitor and he'll sell off anything he can for back door payments. So why are you asking for sources? Put 2 + 2 together

Do you the troops to be brought home by the Xmas holidays?

My knee jerk reaction is to not have troops in such places at all, but the realist in me understands I'd have to be more up to date on the situation to know the ramifications of a quick and dirty exodus. So I can't give you an opinion on a timeline as I'm not current on Afghanistan and who will be impacted by such a move.

I agree but I also have this feeling that there will never be a good time and I'm concerned that Biden hasn't stated a firm position on it.

[Clyde_Style]

Do you the troops to be brought home by the Xmas holidays?

My knee jerk reaction is to not have troops in such places at all, but the realist in me understands I'd have to be more up to date on the situation to know the ramifications of a quick and dirty exodus. So I can't give you an opinion on a timeline as I'm not current on Afghanistan and who will be impacted by such a move.

I agree but I also have this feeling that there will never be a good time and I'm concerned that Biden hasn't stated a firm position on it.

Biden did state unequivocably he'll let the DoA make those decisions

We know that's code for not tipping his hand which was the right thing to do on the campaign trail

But NYS and NYC will get the first pound of flesh out of Trump. He'll soon be a felon which will significantly lower any threshold of political risk at the DoA going after a former president.

Biden may play the nice guy card, but make no mistake about it: He is going to have a massive grudge for what Trump attempted to do to him and his family. And to Obama. I don't think you have to worry too much about Biden putting a halt to DoA probes and indictments.

[Clyde_Style]

Do you the troops to be brought home by the Xmas holidays?

My knee jerk reaction is to not have troops in such places at all, but the realist in me understands I'd have to be more up to date on the situation to know the ramifications of a quick and dirty exodus. So I can't give you an opinion on a timeline as I'm not current on Afghanistan and who will be impacted by such a move.

I agree but I also have this feeling that there will never be a good time and I'm concerned that Biden hasn't stated a firm position on it.

Well, everything Trump does is a botch job, so the answer at a minimum is to wait until Biden is in the WH so it can be done responsibly

Don't forget, Trump royally fckd the Kurds with a sudden pull-out of Syria. Even the GOP was appalled. Those guys fought in our interests and Trump dumped them to give Putin the juice he wanted in Syria.

So, wait is my immediate answer. Let the uncompromised adults supervise those decisions and actions

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