Is RJ Barrett a beast?

[Kidknick!]

Ive heard this several times tonight amongst many Knick fans and especially non Knick fans


I wouldn't call him a bust. Hes def a rotation player

But at a top 3 pick. I dont see the star potential off these last 4 games

Do you see star potential in Luka, Dame Lillard and Donovan Mitchell off the last 4 games?

Lmao give me a break with this. Idk how many times people have to say it over and over. He’s 20 and he’s not in the best spacing situation right now to succeed. He’s working on his shot and ignoring his elite trait of driving because he’s in his own head.

If people here thought this kid was going to come out and dominate straight away and be a #1 option, then that’s on them.
Can’t call RJ a bust but give every excuse in the world to Knox, Frank, Mitch & DSJ.

My Dude. Perfect response to this GARBAGE.

[YouthMovement]

1) We shouldn’t be worrying about fitting a roster around any specific player since we have no star player worthy of making roster moves around
2) Regardless of star players we do need shooters at most positions, it’s the current NBA.
3) RJ isn’t a bust. His shot will improve, his FT is looking much better which is a good sign. These reactions threads are always too extreme. He’s either better than Ja or he’s headed to China. You’re a sick group of people, you know that?

both are overreactions. but his lack of ability to create is really concerning and he looks terrible so far this season

[YouthMovement]

I'm not blaming Payton for his limitations.

RJ needs to work on many facets of his game, including the catch-and-shoot, the pull-up and his handle. I'm not saying Payton is what's preventing RJ from transforming from this version that we're seeing now to a net positive.

But Payton's presence on this team means that RJ's limitations are only exposed instead of being minimized as he works on his game. We're not playing RJ in a role where his skill set can actually be useful, and we're doing that to accommodate Payton, who - in my opinion - wouldn't be a good player for any team. The Knicks have nothing to gain with this current dynamic, they're setting themselves up to fail in all aspects.

We're not doing that to accommodate Payton. Payton is paid. That's his accommodation. We aren't running RJ at point because RJ at point isn't good.

We saw it last year and we saw it this year.

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I'm not asking RJ to play point guard, you're caricaturing my point.

I want him to be the ball-handler in the pick-and-roll more, and more importantly to have more shooting around him when he is running pnr, like that 3 minute stretch in the second quarter yesterday.

I'm not making excuses for the way he's been playing off the ball, as he needs to knock down his open shots regardless of his on-ball play. If he pans out, his game will probably be a mix of on-ball and off-ball play, so he will need to make an impact without the rock.

get out of here with your sensible posting

[Sark]

He's not a bust, but he's not as good as some Knick fans want him to be.

[ny-n-md]

He’s in his second season. No summer league, full preseason or full camp. He is 19/20. Give him some time. Heck look at Josh Jackson and how well he’s playing now

[sims]

He’s in his second season. No summer league, full preseason or full camp. He is 19/20. Give him some time. Heck look at Josh Jackson and how well he’s playing now

i'm just looking forward to having at least one young player that doesn't need years of endless excuses

[N Y K]

He's not a bust, but he's not as good as some Knick fans want him to be.

I don’t know if there’s much to be improved here... maybe a “today” to wrap this masterpiece up, but stellar execution nonetheless.

He’s not a day one guy. Accept it and hope potential turns into something to build on.

Thanks, sark.

[louisorr]

Stars have found plenty of different paths to success. The obvious ones have the look right out of the gate. And RJ isn't what the scouts promised but plenty of Chauncy Billups, Zach Randolph and Marcus Camby stories out there.

[Clyde_Style]

Stars have found plenty of different paths to success. The obvious ones have the look right out of the gate. And RJ isn't what the scouts promised but plenty of Chauncy Billups, Zach Randolph and Marcus Camby stories out there.

Camby came into the league ready and contributed immediately. I wouldn't include him

[DowNY]

Wonder how many Celtics fans called Jalen Brown a bust before he played 82 games and averaged double digits.
Same for Jimmy Butler first 2/3 seasons.
Same for OG Anunboy until recently.

[HarthorneWingo]

Wonder how many Celtics fans called Jalen Brown a bust before he played 82 games and averaged double digits.
Same for Jimmy Butler first 2/3 seasons.
Same for OG Anunboy until recently.

Anunoby was never counted on to be the center of the offense, nor was he drafted no. 3. I believe OG was drafted somewhere in the 20s. And judging by his performance the other night, I wouldn't be using him as an example of a struggling lottery pick turned it around.

I don't know enough about Butler's first three years in the league to compare. But, again, he was someone drafted in the late teens, I believe. So, yes, you're going to expect that he would take some time to develop.

I just don't see what you all see in RJ's game that gives you promise that he'll develop into something more. I know I stan for Frank but even with his slow development he provides elite defense and what is developing into a decent 3 point threat. And while Frank has not shown himself to be a dime machine by any stretch, his career assist to turnover averages are 3.0 to 1.4. That's slightly better than 2:1. RJ's are 2.4 to 2.2. RJ doesn't have but a couple moves to the basket. And his shot has regressed this year after working on it all off season. DSJ 2.0

[DowNY]

Wonder how many Celtics fans called Jalen Brown a bust before he played 82 games and averaged double digits.
Same for Jimmy Butler first 2/3 seasons.
Same for OG Anunboy until recently.

Anunoby was never counted on to be the center of the offense, nor was he drafted no. 3. I believe OG was drafted somewhere in the 20s. And judging by his performance the other night, I wouldn't be using him as an example of a struggling lottery pick turned it around.

I don't know enough about Butler's first three years in the league to compare. But, again, he was someone drafted in the late teens, I believe. So, yes, you're going to expect that he would take some time to develop.

I just don't see what you all see in RJ's game that gives you promise that he'll develop into something more. I know I stan for Frank but even with his slow development he provides elite defense and what is developing into a decent 3 point threat. And while Frank has not shown himself to be a dime machine by any stretch, his career assist to turnover averages are 3.0 to 1.4. That's slightly better than 2:1. RJ's are 2.4 to 2.2. RJ doesn't have but a couple moves to the basket. And his shot has regressed this year after working on it all off season. DSJ 2.0

What about Jalen Brown?

[prophet_of_rage]

Wonder how many Celtics fans called Jalen Brown a bust before he played 82 games and averaged double digits.
Same for Jimmy Butler first 2/3 seasons.
Same for OG Anunboy until recently.

Anunoby was never counted on to be the center of the offense, nor was he drafted no. 3. I believe OG was drafted somewhere in the 20s. And judging by his performance the other night, I wouldn't be using him as an example of a struggling lottery pick turned it around.

I don't know enough about Butler's first three years in the league to compare. But, again, he was someone drafted in the late teens, I believe. So, yes, you're going to expect that he would take some time to develop.

I just don't see what you all see in RJ's game that gives you promise that he'll develop into something more. I know I stan for Frank but even with his slow development he provides elite defense and what is developing into a decent 3 point threat. And while Frank has not shown himself to be a dime machine by any stretch, his career assist to turnover averages are 3.0 to 1.4. That's slightly better than 2:1. RJ's are 2.4 to 2.2. RJ doesn't have but a couple moves to the basket. And his shot has regressed this year after working on it all off season. DSJ 2.0

Jimmy Butler was a defensive player and developed into a scorer in tge 2011 draft.

RJ was supposed to be number 1 until Zion and Ja supplanted him. He was supposed to be an all around athlete and he dominated in his age group on the world stage.



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[NYKnickerbocker]

Maybe seeing Indiana again will help him remember how to hit 3s lol.

[Jmonty580]

Expectations need to be lowered. He doesn't have all star potential anymore in my eyes, not without a jumpshot. Either he spent the off season working on the wrong stuff or his shot is as good as it's going to get. Neither is good. If he doesn't the time working on other stuff, who is giving him advice? Without a jump shot he'll stay in the nba for a long time. He is great in the open court and can get draw fouls and get to the line. If he wants his career to take another step he has to learn to shoot. That miracle won't happen this season.. maybe he'll work on it next offseaon? I'm not hopeful.

[MaseInYourFace]

Wonder how many Celtics fans called Jalen Brown a bust before he played 82 games and averaged double digits.
Same for Jimmy Butler first 2/3 seasons.
Same for OG Anunboy until recently.

Anunoby was never counted on to be the center of the offense, nor was he drafted no. 3. I believe OG was drafted somewhere in the 20s. And judging by his performance the other night, I wouldn't be using him as an example of a struggling lottery pick turned it around.

I don't know enough about Butler's first three years in the league to compare. But, again, he was someone drafted in the late teens, I believe. So, yes, you're going to expect that he would take some time to develop.

I just don't see what you all see in RJ's game that gives you promise that he'll develop into something more. I know I stan for Frank but even with his slow development he provides elite defense and what is developing into a decent 3 point threat. And while Frank has not shown himself to be a dime machine by any stretch, his career assist to turnover averages are 3.0 to 1.4. That's slightly better than 2:1. RJ's are 2.4 to 2.2. RJ doesn't have but a couple moves to the basket. And his shot has regressed this year after working on it all off season. DSJ 2.0

To me what I see in RJ is a kid with a high floor and combined with what appear to be good makeup and intangibles you might have something. I am not sure how good he can really be if he maximizes his potential but the current version of him is already fairly productive if he just makes some tweaks. Him starting to hit his free throws at a much better rate is a big step up for instance.

[Knicks Byke]

he needs more explosiveness imo.

[prophet_of_rage]

Expectations need to be lowered. He doesn't have all star potential anymore in my eyes, not without a jumpshot. Either he spent the off season working on the wrong stuff or his shot is as good as it's going to get. Neither is good. If he doesn't the time working on other stuff, who is giving him advice? Without a jump shot he'll stay in the nba for a long time. He is great in the open court and can get draw fouls and get to the line. If he wants his career to take another step he has to learn to shoot. That miracle won't happen this season.. maybe he'll work on it next offseaon? I'm not hopeful.

Good lord, why do fans think a player can add a skill in a few months at the profressional level. It isn't the expectations of RJ's abilities that need to be adjusted. It's the fans expectations of basketball that need adjustment.

Have you noticed the improvement in his free throw form? That will translate faster because it's static. Game shootingvadds way too many variables. That will take a few seasons to come.

Everybody relax on the idea that young players develop overnight. Even Lebron took years to learn to shoot.

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[thebuzzardman]

Ive heard this several times tonight amongst many Knick fans and especially non Knick fans


I wouldn't call him a bust. Hes def a rotation player

But at a top 3 pick. I dont see the star potential off these last 4 games

Do you see star potential in Luka, Dame Lillard and Donovan Mitchell off the last 4 games?

Lmao give me a break with this. Idk how many times people have to say it over and over. He’s 20 and he’s not in the best spacing situation right now to succeed. He’s working on his shot and ignoring his elite trait of driving because he’s in his own head.

If people here thought this kid was going to come out and dominate straight away and be a #1 option, then that’s on them.
Can’t call RJ a bust but give every excuse in the world to Knox, Frank, Mitch & DSJ.

My Dude. Perfect response to this GARBAGE.

Actually, at least half the board sh*t all over those players either immediately, or after one season.
RJ's going down the same path.
Half the board supports, half isn't impressed/is wary.

At least the RJ doubters are a little more positive, which means he's better than those guys, in a world's tallest midget kind of thing, probably.

[prophet_of_rage]

RJ is a good rookie. He isn't deserving of first option status and wise money has him on the Jimmy Butler path. He will get stronger, maybe a little faater, his jumpshot will improve and he has to get a right hand.

His second contract will be when he really comes into his own.

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