2020-2021 College/Draft Thread 2

3toheadmelo · Post #121 » by **3toheadmelo** » Tue Feb 2, 2021 7:15 pm

knickstape4ever wrote:surprised ESPN had Jared Butler at #30. thought he'd be higher, been great this season

He seems like a backup or fringe starter. Sorta like Monte Morris.

Fat · Post #122 » by **Fat** » Tue Feb 2, 2021 7:25 pm

I like cooper just not as a starter let alone a starter on the Knicks. He’s a small high usg on ball point guard with a questionable jumper I do like his feel for the game though. He would be a good backup next to Quickley and take some pressure off him.

cgf · Post #123 » by **cgf** » Tue Feb 2, 2021 7:30 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
knickstape4ever wrote:surprised ESPN had Jared Butler at #30. thought he'd be higher, been great this season

He seems like a backup or fringe starter. Sorta like Monte Morris.

His quickness won't be special, but his shooting should be top tier...and unlike a Cam Thomas, who also has the shooting, Butler has the handle + vision to become a quality starter for a team with other playmakers (like us). He has a lot of the same things going for him that IQ did as a prospect, only his arms aren't as long and he has a much more developed/polished floor-general-game :dontknow:

knickstape4ever · Post #124 » by **knickstape4ever** » Tue Feb 2, 2021 7:31 pm

My top 10 so far:

1. Cade
2. Green
3. Suggs
4. Mobley
5. Kuminga
6. J. Johnson
7. Bouknight
8. Ziaire
9. Moody
10. Barnes

3toheadmelo · Post #125 » by **3toheadmelo** » Tue Feb 2, 2021 7:34 pm

cgf wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
knickstape4ever wrote:surprised ESPN had Jared Butler at #30. thought he'd be higher, been great this season

He seems like a backup or fringe starter. Sorta like Monte Morris.

His quickness won't be special, but his shooting should be top tier...and unlike a Cam Thomas, who also has the shooting, Butler has the handle + vision to become a quality starter for a team with other playmakers (like us). He has a lot of the same things going for him that IQ did as a prospect, only his arms aren't as long and he has a much more developed/polished floor-general-game

I think Monte Morris would be a quality starter for us too. I wasn’t trying to bash Butler. You know I like him a lot. He just might not have that upside as the other guards in the draft.

knickstape4ever · Post #126 » by **knickstape4ever** » Tue Feb 2, 2021 7:36 pm

Angryfatboy wrote:I like cooper just not as a starter let alone a starter on the Knicks. He’s a small high usg on ball point guard with a questionable jumper I do like his feel for the game though. He would be a good backup next to Quickley and take some pressure off him.

ESPN has him at #9 which is too high for me. his 6'1 listed height is generous, I saw he was listed at 5'10 w/o shoes

he's a great playmaker but PG's his size scare me

cgf · Post #127 » by **cgf** » Tue Feb 2, 2021 7:47 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
cgf wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:He seems like a backup or fringe starter. Sorta like Monte Morris.

His quickness won't be special, but his shooting should be top tier...and unlike a Cam Thomas, who also has the shooting, Butler has the handle + vision to become a quality starter for a team with other playmakers (like us). He has a lot of the same things going for him that IQ did as a prospect, only his arms aren't as long and he has a much more developed/polished floor-general-game

I think Monte Morris would be a quality starter for us too. I wasn’t trying to bash Butler. You know I like him a lot. He just might not have that upside as the other guards in the draft.

That's fair and heading into the season I was thinking of him as a mid-20s guy. But with the higher upside PG prospects (other than Suggs & Cade) having looked so raw, that's opened the door for a guy like Butler to play his way into that late lotto mix...especially if he leads Butler past Suggs' Gonzaga for the national title.

I have him & Keon Johnson as the 3rd best PG prospect I've watched this season...depending on whether you are looking for a 'swing for the fences' project who will need time to polish his game, or a safer pick that will make an impact for you quicker...though neither is in my top 10 overall.

cgf · Post #128 » by **cgf** » Tue Feb 2, 2021 7:49 pm

knickstape4ever wrote:My top 10 so far:

1. Cade
2. Green
3. Suggs
4. Mobley
5. Kuminga
6. J. Johnson
7. Bouknight
8. Ziaire
9. Moody
10. Barnes

My order would be different, but those are the players that would be in my top 10 too.

knickstape4ever · Post #129 » by **knickstape4ever** » Tue Feb 2, 2021 7:52 pm

cgf wrote:
knickstape4ever wrote:My top 10 so far:

1. Cade
2. Green
3. Suggs
4. Mobley
5. Kuminga
6. J. Johnson
7. Bouknight
8. Ziaire
9. Moody
10. Barnes

My order would be different, but those are the players that would be in my top 10 too.

Ziaire crack your top 5?

cgf · Post #130 » by **cgf** » Tue Feb 2, 2021 8:00 pm

knickstape4ever wrote:
cgf wrote:
knickstape4ever wrote:My top 10 so far:

1. Cade
2. Green
3. Suggs
4. Mobley
5. Kuminga
6. J. Johnson
7. Bouknight
8. Ziaire
9. Moody
10. Barnes

My order would be different, but those are the players that would be in my top 10 too.

Ziaire crack your top 5?

I want to...as I do think there's a very real chance that he ends up better than Suggs in their primes, while making more of an impact than Mobley, but I'm not there yet. Suggs is just so much closer to reaching his potential while Mobley's ceiling is even higher...and until I get to watch the GL kids play in actual games, they get to hold onto their top 5 spots :lol:

I just bump Mobley ahead of Suggs, Ziaire ahead of JJ at #6, and have Moody over Bouknight at #8.

3toheadmelo · Post #131 » by **3toheadmelo** » Tue Feb 2, 2021 8:04 pm

Read on Twitter

3toheadmelo · Post #132 » by **3toheadmelo** » Tue Feb 2, 2021 8:57 pm

He’s gonna look a lot better in the pros with better spacing. Such a talented scorer

Watch on YouTube

cgf · Post #133 » by **cgf** » Wed Feb 3, 2021 12:36 am

Man, Jared Butler would look so good in orange n blue. Kid is a crafty ass penetrator to go with the lethal 3ball.

knickstape4ever · Post #134 » by **knickstape4ever** » Wed Feb 3, 2021 6:53 am

Wasserman of BleacherReport has us taking Cooper at 8

not just ESPN who's really high on him. his size concerns me a lot

NoDopeOnSundays · Post #135 » by **NoDopeOnSundays** » Wed Feb 3, 2021 7:37 am

3toheadmelo wrote:

Read on Twitter

He has shockingly short arms, either that or my aspect ratio on my screen is off.

FutureKnicksGM · Post #136 » by **FutureKnicksGM** » Wed Feb 3, 2021 7:37 am

knickstape4ever wrote:My top 10 so far:

1. Cade
2. Green
3. Suggs
4. Mobley
5. Kuminga
6. J. Johnson
7. Bouknight
8. Ziaire
9. Moody
10. Barnes

No love for your boy Boston?

DowNY · Post #137 » by **DowNY** » Wed Feb 3, 2021 7:40 am

knickstape4ever wrote:Wasserman of BleacherReport has us taking Cooper at 8

not just ESPN who's really high on him. his size concerns me a lot

He might be able to play a CP3 type game where the height won’t matter

jvsimonetti0514 · Post #138 » by **jvsimonetti0514** » Wed Feb 3, 2021 2:21 pm

knickstape4ever wrote:Wasserman of BleacherReport has us taking Cooper at 8

not just ESPN who's really high on him. his size concerns me a lot

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2928874-2021-nba-mock-draft-full-2-round-predictions-entering-february

Here’s the rest of the mock if anyone is curious

cgf · Post #139 » by **cgf** » Wed Feb 3, 2021 2:53 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:

Read on Twitter

He has shockingly short arms, either that or my aspect ratio on my screen is off.

He's not very long, but he is still a good defender despite having just a plus-1 wingspan.

Juco24 · Post #140 » by **Juco24** » Wed Feb 3, 2021 3:03 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:He’s gonna look a lot better in the pros with better spacing. Such a talented scorer

Watch on YouTube

Melo, I remember you and Chanel Bomber being high on Quickley last year... who's your top 10 right now along with a sleeper or two? Just curious...