Build a Franchise- Season 5 Discussion (Free Agency Edition)- Free Agency schedule on page 82

[Smash3]

I'm not disagreeing with you. This was definitely not my first choice but the timing is really no different then past years. Actually opens things up a bit. If you can't be online from 6-7, you can still bid on players at 8, 10 and 12 before the earliest they will sign with anyone. If you can't be online at all in the AM then nothing really is different then the old system where players could conceivably have signed starting at 12PM. This hopefully opens things up for people as far as timing and placing bids goes.

For this free agent class it seems fine.

For a larger free agent class is where i think there could be some issues, unless we stagger. Seems like too much is happening all at once in a short period of time for both you and us...especially if we are operating blind.

I hear what you're saying and again don't disagree. We could absolutely open up the windows a bit more to drag things out if that works for people. Make the bidding windows 2 hours? My only concern is that as it is this will basically take a couple of days. I planned on the 23rd because I have that Sunday and Monday off from work so I could devote a couple of days consecutively to the craziness that is FA. If we go beyond that and I go back to work then things really get screwed up when I can't be at the computer for 18 straight hours.

If the one hour windows are not enough though, we could discuss elongating the entire FA process including how long players will be on the clock. I'm definitely ok with adjusting that if there is a majority of people who think that the one hour window is not enough.

As for mph's main concern regarding not being able to pivot on players without inquiries...I would be open to allowing a team to inquiry about one player that they are not currently bidding on per PM starting at 10AM if that helps. Just need to keep the number of PM's I receive and send down so adding a player of interest to each PM starting two bidding blocks before a player can sign should help in that regard for teams who have to make difficult decisions on multiple players.

I think the 1 hour window with the adjustments you have made is a good solution, it will extend FA some already, but prolonging the windows beyond that will cause a lot more work for you, just so we can "extend" FA another day. I didn't see people write that FA was too short in past seasons, and this off season we already have a couple ideas from Slice and potentially another 2k tournament coming up

[bishnykfan]

For example I will use my team and melo's team for next year FA class

I have one potential FA to manage next year in Curry. If I get into a bidding war with someone maybe there is a breaking point where I don't want to go higher on Curry but maybe pivot to another big time player but I would have no idea where even that bidding is at for that player. But at least its only one spot to fill.

Now take Melo. Dude has a team full of stars. Imagine him sending his initial bids which all could be very fair offers but he doesn't get one response from bish. I would be **** bricks...how much higher do I have to go on everyone to even get a response back. I don't think he should be in a position to have to panic and be that restricted that he would have to considerably raise the offer on a lot of guys just to see where the bidding is.

My point is I probably can manage 1 FA but if you have 6-7-8 big pieces in play the minute you stop getting responses that you are close you either have to arbitrarily raise your offer considerable just to make sure you stay involved or pivot away. I just see that as too restrictive personally. I would rather know exactly where my 6-8 FA are and plan accordingly.

If I didn’t get any response then that means someone is overpaying my players big time and I would let them hold the bag. I would simply move on and chase other free agents

I agree but you might spend maybe 1 or 2 FA window periods just seeing how far they went which could be 4-6 hours of precious time. Then you have to pivot later in the game and just throw offers at other guys and hope you are in that window as well.

Personally if someone came out right out of the bat with 4 years $600 of curry lets just say something ridiculous. I would rather know that then have to chase a shadow for a few hours.

I'm at work and trying to follow along while responding so I could be wrong but I think it was HerSports who had the idea a few pages back to allow teams to inquire about their own Bird rights FA. That makes sense to me. That can be incorporated right out of the gate to eliminate your above scenario.

[3toheadmelo]

If I didn’t get any response then that means someone is overpaying my players big time and I would let them hold the bag. I would simply move on and chase other free agents

I agree but you might spend maybe 1 or 2 FA window periods just seeing how far they went which could be 4-6 hours of precious time. Then you have to pivot later in the game and just throw offers at other guys and hope you are in that window as well.

Personally if someone came out right out of the bat with 4 years $600 of curry lets just say something ridiculous. I would rather know that then have to chase a shadow for a few hours.

I'm at work and trying to follow along while responding so I could be wrong but I think it was HerSports who had the idea a few pages back to allow teams to inquire about their own Bird rights FA. That makes sense to me. That can be incorporated right out of the gate to eliminate your above scenario.

I would love to have that

[mpharris36]

If I didn’t get any response then that means someone is overpaying my players big time and I would let them hold the bag. I would simply move on and chase other free agents

I agree but you might spend maybe 1 or 2 FA window periods just seeing how far they went which could be 4-6 hours of precious time. Then you have to pivot later in the game and just throw offers at other guys and hope you are in that window as well.

Personally if someone came out right out of the bat with 4 years $600 of curry lets just say something ridiculous. I would rather know that then have to chase a shadow for a few hours.

I'm at work and trying to follow along while responding so I could be wrong but I think it was HerSports who had the idea a few pages back to allow teams to inquire about their own Bird rights FA. That makes sense to me. That can be incorporated right out of the gate to eliminate your above scenario.

I think this would at least eliminate some of my concerns in giving the edge to teams with bird rights. Rather then having them chase a massive overpay for another team to try and steal them away.

[DaGawd]

Im gonna need y’all to hold my hand in FA.. cause I’m lost.. not that I really plan on being active this off season

[Capn'O]

Im gonna need y’all to hold my hand in FA.. cause I’m lost.. not that I really plan on being active this off season

This is like one of those nerd board games that takes hours to explain but the gameplay is pretty straightforward.

Basically, you get online at gametime and make your bids. Or you wait a bit to see if somebody else bids on your guy and then try to beat it.

[NewEra]

If going from the spreadsheet to this were a person:

Spoiler:

[Manhattan Project]

I mean I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, certainly not something to be implemented this year, but what about bird right players being RFA's? Teams have the final chance to match any contract instead of making it a free for all free agency, with this we'd implement a hard cap that teams can't go over bringing back an entire team. Adds a little strategy just to continue this poo poo fest going on here.

[3toheadmelo]

If going from the spreadsheet to this were a person:

Spoiler:

Put some respek on BAF champion Dennis Schroder. Horrible person here!!!!!

[2010]

For example I will use my team and melo's team for next year FA class

I have one potential FA to manage next year in Curry. If I get into a bidding war with someone maybe there is a breaking point where I don't want to go higher on Curry but maybe pivot to another big time player but I would have no idea where even that bidding is at for that player. But at least its only one spot to fill.

Now take Melo. Dude has a team full of stars. Imagine him sending his initial bids which all could be very fair offers but he doesn't get one response from bish. I would be **** bricks...how much higher do I have to go on everyone to even get a response back. I don't think he should be in a position to have to panic and be that restricted that he would have to considerably raise the offer on a lot of guys just to see where the bidding is.

My point is I probably can manage 1 FA but if you have 6-7-8 big pieces in play the minute you stop getting responses that you are close you either have to arbitrarily raise your offer considerable just to make sure you stay involved or pivot away. I just see that as too restrictive personally. I would rather know exactly where my 6-8 FA are and plan accordingly.

If I didn’t get any response then that means someone is overpaying my players big time and I would let them hold the bag. I would simply move on and chase other free agents

Yup it's really not that complicated. Stop nickel-and-diming and make an offer you're comfortable with, if you don't hear back it's time to move on

It's kinda like dating. You can't wait by the phone or risk ending up played like a sucker. If she don't call you back in a timely fashion be prepared to move on. If she does, great... you're still in the running but you ain't her man yet.

[NewEra]

If I didn’t get any response then that means someone is overpaying my players big time and I would let them hold the bag. I would simply move on and chase other free agents

Yup it's really not that complicated. Stop nickel-and-diming and make an offer you're comfortable with, if you don't hear back it's time to move on

It's kinda like dating. You can't wait by the phone or risk end up played like a sucker. If she don't call you back in a timely fashion be prepared to move on. If she does, great... you're still in the running but you ain't her man yet.

Watch on YouTube

[NewEra]

Waking up at 6AM to bid on Kevon Looney like…

Spoken like a man who knows he has no chance at Dusty Hannahs.

I have to get up at 3!!!

That sucks!!

[2010]

I'm not disagreeing with you. This was definitely not my first choice but the timing is really no different then past years. Actually opens things up a bit. If you can't be online from 6-7, you can still bid on players at 8, 10 and 12 before the earliest they will sign with anyone. If you can't be online at all in the AM then nothing really is different then the old system where players could conceivably have signed starting at 12PM. This hopefully opens things up for people as far as timing and placing bids goes.

For this free agent class it seems fine.

For a larger free agent class is where i think there could be some issues, unless we stagger. Seems like too much is happening all at once in a short period of time for both you and us...especially if we are operating blind.

I hear what you're saying and again don't disagree. We could absolutely open up the windows a bit more to drag things out if that works for people. Make the bidding windows 2 hours? My only concern is that as it is this will basically take a couple of days. I planned on the 23rd because I have that Sunday and Monday off from work so I could devote a couple of days consecutively to the craziness that is FA. If we go beyond that and I go back to work then things really get screwed up when I can't be at the computer for 18 straight hours.

If the one hour windows are not enough though, we could discuss elongating the entire FA process including how long players will be on the clock. I'm definitely ok with adjusting that if there is a majority of people who think that the one hour window is not enough.

As for mph's main concern regarding not being able to pivot on players without inquiries...I would be open to allowing a team to inquiry about one player that they are not currently bidding on per PM starting at 10AM if that helps. Just need to keep the number of PM's I receive and send down so adding a player of interest to each PM starting two bidding blocks before a player can sign should help in that regard for teams who have to make difficult decisions on multiple players.

I see no need to make attempts to stretch FA out unnecessarily. We will find ways to occupy ourselves. That's some childish schit to stretch out FA just cuz cats think they will be sitting on their hands.

And I'm not with acquiescing to inquiries again. That's just opening back up pandoras box. Full transparency or shadows! But if we going back to half-steppin (making attempts to function in the middle) then it's not smart. All that does is reopen the door to b.s.

What is wrong with being proactive in your offers? Make a bid that reflects your valuation of the player and keep it pushing.

[mpharris36]

I feel a lot more comfortable if teams with bird rights know where there FA are at because so much of the offseason is dependent on your bird rights especially with that soft cap if you have to pivot it would change a lot.

So I like the Hersports suggesting and bish open to that idea.

As 2010 said with the dating reference.

If you are trying to steal my girl I should at least know about it and have time to look for a backup plan. But the teams hunting for new chicks should have to go above an beyond to steal them away.

[2010]

If I didn’t get any response then that means someone is overpaying my players big time and I would let them hold the bag. I would simply move on and chase other free agents

I agree but you might spend maybe 1 or 2 FA window periods just seeing how far they went which could be 4-6 hours of precious time. Then you have to pivot later in the game and just throw offers at other guys and hope you are in that window as well.

Personally if someone came out right out of the bat with 4 years $600 of curry lets just say something ridiculous. I would rather know that then have to chase a shadow for a few hours.

I'm at work and trying to follow along while responding so I could be wrong but I think it was HerSports who had the idea a few pages back to allow teams to inquire about their own Bird rights FA. That makes sense to me. That can be incorporated right out of the gate to eliminate your above scenario.

Inquiries for players you hold Bird rights for are fine. I agree in full with that and I and-1'd HerSports initial suggestion.

But I am not with acquiescing to allowing 1 inquiry to players you haven't placed a bid on. Not wit that at all.

[2010]

I feel a lot more comfortable if teams with bird rights know where there FA are at because so much of the offseason is dependent on your bird rights especially with that soft cap if you have to pivot it would change a lot.

So I like the Hersports suggesting and bish open to that idea.

As 2010 said with the dating reference.

If you are trying to steal my girl I should at least know about it and have time to look for a backup plan. But the teams hunting for new chicks should have to go above an beyond to steal them away.

This.

[E-Balla]

yeah it does feel like its more of a send you best and final early and hope a pray. If you lose out you basically are blind in throwing out offers that are ending soon for your pivoted targets. But it is what it is and people are very concerned about bad faith bids. I would prefer more info then less.

But lets give it a go.

Yea, it seems like much more work and more complicated for all too. Everyone is just scared of hoffa.

If people are worried he can still operate in the shadows which if they are worried about that is more damaging then actually knowing who he is bidding on because I think if you know what offers he has out there if you are that worried he is just juicing up bids you can then stick it to him and let him win those guys he really doesn't want.

Imagine an agent walking into a teams office and the team saying we are interested in you. And the Agent says give me an offer. You send an offer and they just walk out of the door without letting you know what it actually takes to send a competitive offer. If that happens to 2-3 guys you just now have wasted 6-8 hours and could wind up with no one.

It prioritizes getting your guy. That's why I think contracts will rise for role players.

[El Poochio]

Prolonging the FA process would actually solve Bish getting overwhelmed problem even with the old system probably

[El Poochio]

If you are trying to steal my girl I should at least know about it and have time to look for a backup plan. But the teams hunting for new chicks should have to go above an beyond to steal them away.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I'm not disagreeing with you. This was definitely not my first choice but the timing is really no different then past years. Actually opens things up a bit. If you can't be online from 6-7, you can still bid on players at 8, 10 and 12 before the earliest they will sign with anyone. If you can't be online at all in the AM then nothing really is different then the old system where players could conceivably have signed starting at 12PM. This hopefully opens things up for people as far as timing and placing bids goes.

For this free agent class it seems fine.

For a larger free agent class is where i think there could be some issues, unless we stagger. Seems like too much is happening all at once in a short period of time for both you and us...especially if we are operating blind.

I hear what you're saying and again don't disagree. We could absolutely open up the windows a bit more to drag things out if that works for people. Make the bidding windows 2 hours? My only concern is that as it is this will basically take a couple of days. I planned on the 23rd because I have that Sunday and Monday off from work so I could devote a couple of days consecutively to the craziness that is FA. If we go beyond that and I go back to work then things really get screwed up when I can't be at the computer for 18 straight hours.

If the one hour windows are not enough though, we could discuss elongating the entire FA process including how long players will be on the clock. I'm definitely ok with adjusting that if there is a majority of people who think that the one hour window is not enough.

As for mph's main concern regarding not being able to pivot on players without inquiries...I would be open to allowing a team to inquiry about one player that they are not currently bidding on per PM starting at 10AM if that helps. Just need to keep the number of PM's I receive and send down so adding a player of interest to each PM starting two bidding blocks before a player can sign should help in that regard for teams who have to make difficult decisions on multiple players.

2 hour bidding is probably unnecessary. It should probably be mostly up to you and how you can handle the bids the best. I am thinking that is still a lot of work but you def know best. Will this same processs be consistent throughout free agency or just the first day or 2?

But just looking ahead to next year, could def see a lot of bids extending to multiple days so seems like a lot going on. I thought the original bidding system worked really well where you released a certain amount of players at a time and solves a lot of issues.