Build a Franchise (Season 5) Discussion Thread continued

[2010]

I traded Harris 2.5 and Rubio 2.5 to get Sexton 3.0. Unless you are sending a rookie with perceived upside, I think that is a fair trade.

You made out like a bandit in that trade. Melo was also given a gift that made him even tougher.

If I had made those offers I’d have been asked to broker for picks and/or had star references brought up as reasons why the trade needs me to add more.

Actually the trade between me and Orlando was pretty fair if you ask me. Rose and Wright are both 2.5 stars and I gave him more cap space with bird rights as well. Turns out it was a win win for both of us

Wright was talked up as a defensive asset. Yet his DEF rating toils in the 50s while Rose is an amazing 74 DEF. Plus Rose is also head and shoulders above him in the SCR and FGJ categories as well. You won that deal by a landslide which is why Wright is available for trade now. If it was a win-win scenario Wright would be viewed as a keeper in Orlando.

DePalma even made a post-trade press conference that started by issuing a disclaimer knowing there’d be some bad PR.

[2010]

I traded Harris 2.5 and Rubio 2.5 to get Sexton 3.0. Unless you are sending a rookie with perceived upside, I think that is a fair trade.

You made out like a bandit in that trade. Melo was also given a gift that made him even tougher.

If I had made those offers I’d have been asked to broker for picks and/or had star references brought up as reasons why the trade needs me to add more.

I had to take into account Sexton's injury. He is not going to play anymore this season so its not a stretch to think he might drop next year to 2.5. I don't see him moving up to a 3.5 for sure. There is some risk but I still love his game. I have watched him torch my Hawks ever since he came into the league.

With injuries now being penalized in the rating, I do see you assuming some risk there. But if Sexton plays to his ratings and shakes the early dip in production, then once Luka and Zion inevitably get going it was a great gamble gearing up for your deep post season run this season.

[Buzzard]

You made out like a bandit in that trade. Melo was also given a gift that made him even tougher.

If I had made those offers I’d have been asked to broker for picks and/or had star references brought up as reasons why the trade needs me to add more.

I had to take into account Sexton's injury. He is not going to play anymore this season so its not a stretch to think he might drop next year to 2.5. I don't see him moving up to a 3.5 for sure. There is some risk but I still love his game. I have watched him torch my Hawks ever since he came into the league.

With injuries now being penalized in the rating, I do see you assuming some risk there. But if Sexton plays to his ratings and shakes the early dip in production, then once Luka and Zion inevitably get going it was a great gamble gearing up for your deep post season run this season.

Luka and Zion are playing great. If Sexton gets going from a efficiency standpoint, my offense should take off. But until then, nightmares of Luka and Zion being on a borderline lottery team are still lingering...

[Depalma2002]

You made out like a bandit in that trade. Melo was also given a gift that made him even tougher.

If I had made those offers I’d have been asked to broker for picks and/or had star references brought up as reasons why the trade needs me to add more.

Actually the trade between me and Orlando was pretty fair if you ask me. Rose and Wright are both 2.5 stars and I gave him more cap space with bird rights as well. Turns out it was a win win for both of us

Wright was talked up as a defensive asset. Yet his DEF rating toils in the 50s while Rose is an amazing 74 DEF. Plus Rose is also head and shoulders above him in the SCR and FGJ categories as well. You won that deal by a landslide which is why Wright is available for trade now. If it was a win-win scenario Wright would be viewed as a keeper in Orlando.

DePalma even made a post-trade press conference that started by issuing a disclaimer knowing there’d be some bad PR.

I made that disclaimer because some people look at reputation only and would not look at the whole deal. Yes, I thought Wright would be a better rated defender than Rose. Seems like the sim developer thought otherwise. Apparently the sim developer is the utmost authority on all things (except Lebron). I was, however, correct that Wright and Rose would have the same rating and having the same rating for what was my 4th or 5th guard is enough for me to pull the trigger and gain some cap and flexibility.

Yes, I asked for more in your last trade offer to me, becuase in my opinion, it was a bad deal for me. Sorry if our opinions don't always align. Didn't know that you would take someone having an opinion different from your own so personally. It's not personal. Just business.

[3toheadmelo]

You made out like a bandit in that trade. Melo was also given a gift that made him even tougher.

If I had made those offers I’d have been asked to broker for picks and/or had star references brought up as reasons why the trade needs me to add more.

Actually the trade between me and Orlando was pretty fair if you ask me. Rose and Wright are both 2.5 stars and I gave him more cap space with bird rights as well. Turns out it was a win win for both of us

Wright was talked up as a defensive asset. Yet his DEF rating toils in the 50s while Rose is an amazing 74 DEF. Plus Rose is also head and shoulders above him in the SCR and FGJ categories as well. You won that deal by a landslide which is why Wright is available for trade now. If it was a win-win scenario Wright would be viewed as a keeper in Orlando.

DePalma even made a post-trade press conference that started by issuing a disclaimer knowing there’d be some bad PR.

I personally don’t look into stats like SCR and FGJ. I just look at star ratings and DEF. They’re both the same in star ratings but Rose has a higher DEF. So Rose gets the slight edge in my eyes. I still gave him a lot of cap space though which helped him acquire Oubre/Lauri. That shouldn’t go un noticed, which is why I think the trade was fair value. Helped us both.

The reason why Depalma made that post was cause Rose was 3 stars at the time and Wright was like 2 stars or worse I believe. Rose ended up getting a downgrade and Wright got an upgrade.

[2010]

Actually the trade between me and Orlando was pretty fair if you ask me. Rose and Wright are both 2.5 stars and I gave him more cap space with bird rights as well. Turns out it was a win win for both of us

Wright was talked up as a defensive asset. Yet his DEF rating toils in the 50s while Rose is an amazing 74 DEF. Plus Rose is also head and shoulders above him in the SCR and FGJ categories as well. You won that deal by a landslide which is why Wright is available for trade now. If it was a win-win scenario Wright would be viewed as a keeper in Orlando.

DePalma even made a post-trade press conference that started by issuing a disclaimer knowing there’d be some bad PR.

I made that disclaimer because some people look at reputation only and would not look at the whole deal. Yes, I thought Wright would be a better rated defender than Rose. Seems like the sim developer thought otherwise. Apparently the sim developer is the utmost authority on all things (except Lebron). I was, however, correct that Wright and Rose would have the same rating and having the same rating for what was my 4th or 5th guard is enough for me to pull the trigger and gain some cap and flexibility.

Yes, I asked for more in your last trade offer to me, becuase in my opinion, it was a bad deal for me. Sorry if our opinions don't always align. Didn't know that you would take someone having an opinion different from your own so personally. It's not personal. Just business.

Not personal, I’m mostly just talking schit and half-joking with the “if I made that offer” reference. But truth be told, in regards to Rose trade talks, being consistently told “a 1st or three 2nds” down to Wright is a drop-off in trade demands IMO.

But we just talking our schit. No beef.

[Depalma2002]

Wright was talked up as a defensive asset. Yet his DEF rating toils in the 50s while Rose is an amazing 74 DEF. Plus Rose is also head and shoulders above him in the SCR and FGJ categories as well. You won that deal by a landslide which is why Wright is available for trade now. If it was a win-win scenario Wright would be viewed as a keeper in Orlando.

DePalma even made a post-trade press conference that started by issuing a disclaimer knowing there’d be some bad PR.

I made that disclaimer because some people look at reputation only and would not look at the whole deal. Yes, I thought Wright would be a better rated defender than Rose. Seems like the sim developer thought otherwise. Apparently the sim developer is the utmost authority on all things (except Lebron). I was, however, correct that Wright and Rose would have the same rating and having the same rating for what was my 4th or 5th guard is enough for me to pull the trigger and gain some cap and flexibility.

Yes, I asked for more in your last trade offer to me, becuase in my opinion, it was a bad deal for me. Sorry if our opinions don't always align. Didn't know that you would take someone having an opinion different from your own so personally. It's not personal. Just business.

Not personal, I’m mostly just talking schit and half-joking with the “if I made that offer” reference. But truth be told, in regards to Rose trade talks, being consistently told “a 1st or three 2nds” down to Wright is a drop-off in trade demands IMO.

But we just talking our schit. No beef.

Yeah, that was the original price tag but after several weeks passed and it became obvious, no one was going to give that for Rose, I decided to pull the trigger on the deal that gave me maneuverability while only taking what I felt was only a slight downgrade at a bench position.

[Buzzard]

I am already looking forward to free agency next season. Its going to be interesting if I entertain a strategy of overpaying for 3 to 3.5 star players. Some GMs complain about 500 dollars for their 4 and 5 star players. I wonder how they'd feel about paying 300 - 400 dollars to keep their 3 to 3.5 rated players?

With Luka, Zion, and Sexton ( 277 dollars total ) wrapped up so cheap, I can actually afford to do that if I want to.

[Capn'O]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265117/NBA-NBPA-Agree-To-Allow-COVID-19-Impacted-Teams-To-Sign-Replacement-Players

Might be bad news for GMs with full rosters and EL situations.

2020: We must protect our players, shut the league down, and form a bubble.
2022: Eh. **** it. There are more players out there, right?

[Buzzard]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265117/NBA-NBPA-Agree-To-Allow-COVID-19-Impacted-Teams-To-Sign-Replacement-Players

Might be bad news for GMs with full rosters and EL situations.

2020: We must protect our players, shut the league down, and form a bubble.
2022: Eh. **** it. There are more players out there, right?

With new strains showing up, a lot of experts predicted a tough winter for COVID.

[Smash3]

You made out like a bandit in that trade. Melo was also given a gift that made him even tougher.

If I had made those offers I’d have been asked to broker for picks and/or had star references brought up as reasons why the trade needs me to add more.

I had to take into account Sexton's injury. He is not going to play anymore this season so its not a stretch to think he might drop next year to 2.5. I don't see him moving up to a 3.5 for sure. There is some risk but I still love his game. I have watched him torch my Hawks ever since he came into the league.

With injuries now being penalized in the rating, I do see you assuming some risk there. But if Sexton plays to his ratings and shakes the early dip in production, then once Luka and Zion inevitably get going it was a great gamble gearing up for your deep post season run this season.

The whole picture is that Buzzard didn't get Sexton for Harris and Rubio; that trade would make no sense. Buzzard participated in our three-team trade where Depalma got Wendell and Rubio for Sexton, Buzz got Sexton and I got Joe Harris.

If we're talking sim ratings Sexton is a chucker (72 FGJ), Wendell is highly rated in all areas that are important for a big, and Joe is one of the most efficient players in BAF.

On paper Wendell is finally shooting like he did in Duke and he is trending up, Rubio is having a huge impact in Cleveland, and though Sexton is a nice player his ratings in the sim being bad this year, and most likely being rated same or worse next year – made it an easy trade for Orlando.

For us Joe Harris has been key, we have the best offense by far, 5 points better than the second best offense in BAF.

[Smash3]

I am already looking forward to free agency next season. Its going to be interesting if I entertain a strategy of overpaying for 3 to 3.5 star players. Some GMs complain about 500 dollars for their 4 and 5 star players. I wonder how they'd feel about paying 300 - 400 dollars for their 3 to 3.5 rated players?

With Luka, Zion, and Sexton ( 277 dollars total ) wrapped up so cheap, I can actually afford to do that if I want to.

Having your core locked up when all the stars in the league become FA's is going to be HUGE. You can focus on getting all the perfect complimentary players for Luka, Zion and Sexton.

[Buzzard]

I had to take into account Sexton's injury. He is not going to play anymore this season so its not a stretch to think he might drop next year to 2.5. I don't see him moving up to a 3.5 for sure. There is some risk but I still love his game. I have watched him torch my Hawks ever since he came into the league.

With injuries now being penalized in the rating, I do see you assuming some risk there. But if Sexton plays to his ratings and shakes the early dip in production, then once Luka and Zion inevitably get going it was a great gamble gearing up for your deep post season run this season.

The whole picture is that Buzzard didn't get Sexton for Harris and Rubio; that trade would make no sense. Buzzard participated in our three-team trade where Depalma got Wendell and Rubio for Sexton, Buzz got Sexton and I got Joe Harris.

If we're talking sim ratings Sexton is a chucker (72 FGJ), Wendell is highly rated in all areas that are important for a big, and Joe is one of the most efficient players in BAF.

On paper Wendell is finally shooting like he did in Duke and he is trending up, Rubio is having a huge impact in Cleveland, and though Sexton is a nice player his ratings in the sim being bad this year, and most likely being rated same or worse next year – made it an easy trade for Orlando.

For us Joe Harris has been key, we have the best offense by far, 5 points better than the second best offense in BAF.

I agree Harris and Rubio are nice role players. Its why I ended up with them.

I wanted Sexton from a big picture outlook. Basically I traded two 30 year old role players for one 22 year old starter/6th man. Sexton is starting for me; and fits my team outlook way better. Until I get a better guard than him, he will continue to start for me.

[Smash3]

With injuries now being penalized in the rating, I do see you assuming some risk there. But if Sexton plays to his ratings and shakes the early dip in production, then once Luka and Zion inevitably get going it was a great gamble gearing up for your deep post season run this season.

The whole picture is that Buzzard didn't get Sexton for Harris and Rubio; that trade would make no sense. Buzzard participated in our three-team trade where Depalma got Wendell and Rubio for Sexton, Buzz got Sexton and I got Joe Harris.

If we're talking sim ratings Sexton is a chucker (72 FGJ), Wendell is highly rated in all areas that are important for a big, and Joe is one of the most efficient players in BAF.

On paper Wendell is finally shooting like he did in Duke and he is trending up, Rubio is having a huge impact in Cleveland, and though Sexton is a nice player his ratings in the sim being bad this year, and most likely being rated same or worse next year – made it an easy trade for Orlando.

For us Joe Harris has been key, we have the best offense by far, 5 points better than the second best offense in BAF.

I agree Harris and Rubio are nice role players. Its why I ended up with them.

I wanted Sexton from a big picture outlook. Basically I traded two 30 year old role players for one 22 year old starter/6th man. Sexton is starting for me; and fits my team outlook way better. Until I get a better guard than him, he will continue to start for me.

Yeah it was a good trade for everyone involved

[2010]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265117/NBA-NBPA-Agree-To-Allow-COVID-19-Impacted-Teams-To-Sign-Replacement-Players

Might be bad news for GMs with full rosters and EL situations.

2020: We must protect our players, shut the league down, and form a bubble.
2022: Eh. **** it. There are more players out there, right?

[El Poochio]

Easy W for Miami

Spoiler:

If I win the game I’m taking tanking into overdrive shamelessly

Always one step ahead on my tank

[2010]

I had to take into account Sexton's injury. He is not going to play anymore this season so its not a stretch to think he might drop next year to 2.5. I don't see him moving up to a 3.5 for sure. There is some risk but I still love his game. I have watched him torch my Hawks ever since he came into the league.

With injuries now being penalized in the rating, I do see you assuming some risk there. But if Sexton plays to his ratings and shakes the early dip in production, then once Luka and Zion inevitably get going it was a great gamble gearing up for your deep post season run this season.

The whole picture is that Buzzard didn't get Sexton for Harris and Rubio; that trade would make no sense. Buzzard participated in our three-team trade where Depalma got Wendell and Rubio for Sexton, Buzz got Sexton and I got Joe Harris.

If we're talking sim ratings Sexton is a chucker (72 FGJ), Wendell is highly rated in all areas that are important for a big, and Joe is one of the most efficient players in BAF.

On paper Wendell is finally shooting like he did in Duke and he is trending up, Rubio is having a huge impact in Cleveland, and though Sexton is a nice player his ratings in the sim being bad this year, and most likely being rated same or worse next year – made it an easy trade for Orlando.

For us Joe Harris has been key, we have the best offense by far, 5 points better than the second best offense in BAF.

I hear you and all that. But from Buzz standpoint, Harris for Sexton was a no-brainer when factoring in age, scoring output, Sexton being pretty efficient IRL, and locked up long-term on a cheap multi-year deal. He still has more upside than what Buzz gave up too. The only downside for him is a potential dip next year in rating due to injury. But almost everyone who is playing to win this year is taking their shot knowing next year is a reset.

Now seeing the bigger picture it IS a trade beneficial for all tho.

[HerSports85]

Does ratings get updated during the season?

[Fat]

Watch on YouTube

How I miss this!

[Buzzard]

Does ratings get updated during the season?

I don't think so. Not that we are made aware of. But I have heard some players start playing better. An example would be if Sexton goes from his current .400 FG% to what it should be in the .450 or higher range.

For me this is what makes the SIM so hard. Its the guessing that we know what the developers are thinking. At least with regular updates those guesses could be more accurate.