OT: 4 Cops Arrested in Breonna Taylor murder

[robillionaire]

glad to see the hope for some justice in this case

[HarthorneWingo]

Never thought I’d see the day that Wingo would be a Centrist

Ha, yeah well, you still haven’t and never will. But I tend to be pragmatic about these things when it comes to general elections. I voted for Hillary and Biden over Trump which was a no-brainer.

But I’m still rattling cages.

100% never stop, that’s how things get done.

I truly appreciate the debates we have during national primary season. It'll be interesting to see where things go. Biden's on a little roll. He's got a Little Mo' going on.

[Luv those Knicks]

This is getting long and convoluted, so lets just do one thing at a time. Also, just arguing because we disagree is pointless. What I'm trying to do is find the facts we can agree on.

So, lets get started.

You're not even addressing my points and you say I'm playing myself? You don't even know how to have a conversation.

If you think the Dems countered a chokehold bill - tell me what the bill is called and I'll check it out, but you're missing the point. Blocking all no-knock warrants is probably a bad bill because sometimes they are helpful. The democrats did the right thing. Rand Paul was just posing, which seems to be the only thing he ever does.

Politican A introduces a bill to ban most drug related NK warrants.

Here you're being dishonest. Rand didn't write a bill blocking most, he wrote a bill blocking ALL.

This is the crux of the issue and this is exactly what I've been trying to explain to you. If you ban all no-knock warrants, you handcuff the police. No reasonable person thinks that NK-warrants are always bad. In some situations they're called for, but the issue here is that they're overused, and some states have banned them (currently 4 I think out of 50), arguing that the cons of NKWs outweighs the pros and that's a valid argument.

Not one democrat voted against Rand's bill, it's been forwarded to the action committee for consideration and a bill providing laws on no knock warrants is being considered.

Now, if you believe MOST should be banned, then you're team democrat.

If you believe ALL should be banned, you're Team Rand Paul, who might not even believe that himself. The man has contradicted himself beforfe. Make no mistake. Rand Paul is every bit the opportunist you think democrats are.

There is universal support.

There's a lot of support (especially in the democratic party) for greatly reducing no knock warrants, but for you to say there's universal support, that's the 2nd false thing you've said in your first 2 sentences.

The other party votes it down.

The bill wasn't voted down. You're now 0 for 3. It was referred to committee.

Also, Rand wrote is bill in June 2020, when the Republicans still held the senate. Why are you blaming democrats for a bill Mitch McConnell didn't pick up when it was written? It was sent to committee before the Democrats even controlled the senate.

They then introduce a bill with other stuff so they can gain credit, because there is no political currency to be gained. I'm not sure I can dumb it down any more.

I already said a lot of this. You're telling me some things here that I told you in posts above. The only difference is, you're outraged about it.

Look, this is not a black and white issue. There are really only 3 positions to be taken here.

One - the Rand Paul bill position - no no knock warrants ever, under any circumstances.

Two - much stricter guidelines so that no knock warrants are much harder to get, not just a judge with a pen, but more checks and balances in place. This is hard because who gets to decide, and if somebody says "no you can't" and a cop dies, that's an avenue to attack the law and attack a politician. I think that's the right decision, but it invites problems.

Three - what we have now. It's easy to get a NKW, and in a case where cops lied and pushed it through, Breanna Taylor died, BUT, the cops that liked to push it through are being charged with a felony and the one cop who went in shooting wildly is facing charges as well.

I understand that attacking the Omnibus approach to bill-writing is a very popular thing to do, and in the omnibus sense, both parties are equally bad, but in terms of making no knock warrants harder, unless you want to ban them completely, you're more on the side of the democrats than the republicans. You just are.

This is because neither party cares about Breonna Taylor.

Insert Ms. Lovejoy gif here.

Politicians have to think about the future and their constituents. They don't have the freedom that protestors have.

They care about getting and staying elected. I hope it's clear now.

I'll meet you half way.

In terms of being re-elected and putting that first (Liz Cheney didn't - props to her), yes, both parties are equally bad in that regards.

In terms of passing everything in Omnibus bills - YES, both parties are just as bad.

If you care about Breanna Taylor's rights and laws with her in mind.

Libertarians are the best (but they are few in number)

But Democrats are hands down better than Republicans and considering you got 3 things wrong in your first 3 sentences, you don't seem to have a good grasp on this subject at all.

If you are a single issue voter, or if you care about specific issues - then the parties are NOT THE SAME. Obviously, climate change singe issue voters are on the left and anti-abortion single issue voters are on the right, though, I've never really understood how libertarians can oppose abortion, which many libertarian politicians do . . . but that's a subject for another time.

It's difficult to tell what you care about - do you want MOST or ALL NKW's stopped, because you said most above and that's what many democrat politicians want, but you hate democrats.

If you would simply say that you oppose term limits and omnibus bills, then I wouldn't disagree with you because neither of those are things I'm passionate about, but I'm fine with opposing both.

But if you're just gong to rant, and write 3 false claims in your first 3 sentences, and write some things I already said while trying to argue against me and punctuate everything with " I hope it's clear now. ", then we're not going to get anywhere.

[Clyde_Style]

Ha, yeah well, you still haven’t and never will. But I tend to be pragmatic about these things when it comes to general elections. I voted for Hillary and Biden over Trump which was a no-brainer.

But I’m still rattling cages.

100% never stop, that’s how things get done.

I truly appreciate the debates we have during national primary season. It'll be interesting to see where things go. Biden's on a little roll. He's got a Little Mo' going on.

As a fellow pragmatist, I'd say he's doing pretty well

Driving around here there's a woman's campaign posters with her and OFM's picture saying she's a "Trump Republican" and the slogan "Let's Get Those Gas Prices Down"

Ooof. Prices here dropped $1.50 per gallon in the past month. Kind of hard to run on that one now

[HarthorneWingo]

100% never stop, that’s how things get done.

I truly appreciate the debates we have during national primary season. It'll be interesting to see where things go. Biden's on a little roll. He's got a Little Mo' going on.

As a fellow pragmatist, I'd say he's doing pretty well

Driving around here there's a woman's campaign posters with her and OFM's picture saying she's a "Trump Republican" and the slogan "Let's Get Those Gas Prices Down"

Ooof. Prices here dropped $1.50 per gallon in the past month. Kind of hard to run on that one now

These more recent legislative achievements appear to something to be proud of. I see that the infrastructure bill is already paying tangible dividends. All the highways and roads on Long Island are being repaved ... thankfully. Gas prices are going down (even though no president should take the hit on that). Inflation is what it is for the time being. Let's see what the Inflation Reduction Act can begin to do over the next couple of years. I think it's going to be put to the test with a possible recession on the way.

In any event, things certainly do look much more optimistic for this fall's midterms. The GOP really stepped in with that abortion ruling from the Supreme Court and its position on guns. I predict that the women vote will have a significant impact on these November elections.

[Clyde_Style]

I truly appreciate the debates we have during national primary season. It'll be interesting to see where things go. Biden's on a little roll. He's got a Little Mo' going on.

As a fellow pragmatist, I'd say he's doing pretty well

Driving around here there's a woman's campaign posters with her and OFM's picture saying she's a "Trump Republican" and the slogan "Let's Get Those Gas Prices Down"

Ooof. Prices here dropped $1.50 per gallon in the past month. Kind of hard to run on that one now

These more recent legislative achievements appear to something to be proud of. I see that the infrastructure bill is already paying tangible dividends. All the highways and roads on Long Island are being repaved ... thankfully. Gas prices are going down (even though no president should take the hit on that). Inflation is what it is for the time being. Let's see what the Inflation Reduction Act can begin to do over the next couple of years. I think it's going to be put to the test with a possible recession on the way.

In any event, things certainly do look much more optimistic for this fall's midterms. The GOP really stepped in with that abortion ruling from the Supreme Court and its position on guns. I predict that the women vote will have a significant impact on these November elections.

If any one group will save this nation it is women, both through their vote and from their leadership. Sure, there are evil and incompetent women too, but more women behind the wheel is the only way I see the future working out well for all of us.

[Pointgod]

The arguments that you make against Democrats only make sense if someone sees things in black and white without considering context.

Your vote is black or white because we don't have ranked choice voting. So even if you hate the candidate if you're a single issue voter you are locked in or if you vote let's say Libertarian you are incinerating your vote.

I looked up the Ron Paul Justice for Breonna Taylor act and I didn’t see anything about only Democrats blocking the bill. Republicans controlled the Senate at the time, Mitch McConnell could have brought it up for a vote or removed the filibuster to bring it up for debate. Also Democrats have pushed for more substantial police reform which includes banning no knock warrants, but Republicans have refused to work with them and I do not see Rand Paul cosponsoring any of those bills.

https://time.com/6156590/breonna-taylor-no-knock-warrants/

I said vote down, technically it 'died' meaning it never went to vote. So I misspoke there, but it died because despite it being bipartisan and having massive public support the parties (republican and democrat) have to both get theirs and take credit.

You saying that Stacey Abrams is an election denier is just flat out wrong and false. These are her own words:

"I acknowledge that former Secretary of State Brian Kemp will be certified as the victor in the 2018 gubernatorial election," Abrams said, according to NPR. "But to watch an elected official who claims to represent the people in this state baldly pin his hopes for election on suppression of the people's democratic right to vote has been truly appalling."

She didn’t say the election was stolen like Trump and Republicans did, which is completely idiotic because Republicans got elected on those same ballots. She didn’t call for her supporters to commit violence or go around precincts asking to commit voter fraud which is everything Republicans and Trump attempted to do. She raised legitimate concerns that Kemp did voter purges in predominantly minority areas.

During his tenure in that role, he trimmed more than 1.4 million inactive voters, with low-income and minority Georgians most likely to have their registrations canceled, according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution. Over 668,000 of those registrations were canceled in 2017. In the lead-up to the 2018 election, Georgia put 53,000 voter registrations on hold, the majority of them Black voters, for additional screening.

85,000 more voters were purged from rolls in the three months leading up to the election. Kemp has repeatedly denied he attempted to suppress the vote, USA TODAY previously reported.

Yes it’s shady as hell that 3 months before the election Kemp removed 85,000 voters in an election that Abrams only lost by 55,000 votes. There’s nothing wrong with pointing that out which is the opposite of the Republican assault on Democracy which is claiming country wide election fraud including states run by Republicans.

She is an election denier.

https://youtu.be/H5sDMtFC6Oo?t=1099

You may not care. But she has said multiple times she won. In this instance "I do have one very affirmative statement to make ... we won". She never conceded. You can debate the merits of her claims just like you can with the orange clowns but she refused to concede. You say, "She didn’t say the election was stolen like Trump and Republicans did" -- I guess she didn't use the word stolen. If you want to die on that hill go for it. Trump is an election denier. Stacey Abrams is as well, and she did it without even being the incumbent.

And the last thing about Democrats being antivaccine in just flat out false. There was no political hedge and there are multiple reports that debunk it.

this ... is a separate claim from the below. I claimed they politicized it. They cast doubt on it, if it was associated and was delivered to market by Trump. She said, "if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I’m not taking it." meaning to me and anyone with ears that if Trump had won and put vaccine mandates in place via executive order she wouldn't take it. Even if you want to hedge what she said about Fauchi, she's casting doubt on the vaccines, just like lunatic right wingers.

Vaccines work, vaccine mandates worked to reduce hospitalizations and deaths as well as slow the spread.

This is a different issue and I've never claimed otherwise. My only quibble is you are conflating two different things. The vaccines do exactly what they proved they did in the EUA trial. The end. Nothing more or less. They trigger, in healthy enough people a measurable auto-immune response, measurable exactly as they were measured in the trial using very reliable anti-body tests. We may eventually get some 5 year data but we don't have it now.

Vaccine mandates haven't been proven in anyway shape or form reduce hospitalizations because they were applied to people who had already had covid. I am 100% against vaccine mandates and believe it's your body and your choice. We don't police other diseases that are all personal choice that destroy our health system far worse than covid. I'm also pro choice and pro right to die.

I’ve seen a lot of your posts and your argument of “hating all politicians” is just a convenient excuse to repeat wing talking points. I never see you criticizing Republicans or the right wing or putting their depravity in the proper context. You just want to support Republicans and not feel bad about it.

I actually don't feel bad that I'll be forced by the insane ineffective authoritarian policies of the far left to vote for Republican morons. I feel frustrated. I absolutely rip Republicans for all of their destructive failed policies, starting with the war on drugs, with Trump and Bushes utter catastrophe in limiting legal immigration, their lack of support for gay marriage (while hypocritically claiming they want the government out of their lives), their awful record on things like access to over the counter medications (morning after pill being the black pearl of intolerance), and previously during Bush/Chaney their constant regime change wars (now the policy of the Democrats).

You just have to label anybody who doesn't comply with all the talking points of the left as 'right wing' because labels are the lefts religion now.

I’m not going to address the Rand Paul stuff because Luv the Knicks thoroughly corrected you that not only was your claim wrong, you attributed things to the Democrats that they weren’t responsible for and you failed to acknowledge that the bill was a self serving stunt from Paul.

The Stacy Abrams quote that you posted is so disingenuous that it’s actually laughable. Why didn’t you continue to post what she said after we won? I watch after where you cut off the clip and she spoke about registering new voters, talking to people that didn’t look like her or like her and engaging in a political strategy to grow the big tent. Yeah some real heavy election denial stuff there. This is the problem with your argument, you want both parties to be the same so badly that you leave out important context. If you watch the clip when she references we won, she’s obviously talking about them proving the hypothesis of successfully registering new voters. Abrams has said many times that Brian Kemp won and is the Governor. She never denied an election, claimed it was stolen or tried to claim fraud like Republicans. She also never encouraged her supporters to commit violence or harass election workers. She’s been clear many times on that and you’re just repeating Republican talking points.

Though both Abrams and Trump refused to concede after they lost, their similarities on election integrity stop there.

Trump tried to invalidate the presidential election, while Abrams acknowledged her defeat in the 2018 governor’s race. Trump lost lawsuits over election results; supporters of Abrams have won court rulings to verify and count additional absentee ballots.

While Abrams said 10 days after the election that she wasn’t conceding, she also said in the same speech that Republican Brian Kemp was the victor. Trump only admitted he had lost the day after a riot at the U.S. Capitol as the Electoral College confirmed his defeat.

This is not the words of an election denier.

“Concession means to acknowledge an action is right, true or proper. As a woman of conscience and faith, I cannot concede. But my assessment is that the law currently allows no further viable remedy,” Abrams said in a speech Nov. 16, 2018. “Now, I could certainly bring a new case to keep this one contest alive, but I don’t want to hold public office if I need to scheme my way into the post.”

https://www.ajc.com/politics/abrams-and-trump-both-questioned-elections-but-evidence-is-different/OKQVIDCA2NCDREJQDIGBP2PSLU/

It’s not just Trump, you have the whole Republican Party lying that the election was stolen and you have Republicans politicians running for office that have said they’d overturn an election. Your both sides bull is garbage because there’s literally only one party who doesn’t believe in Democracy or accountability. That’s the difference and that’s what you refuse to acknowledge with your both sides are bad act. Your arguments are so factually wrong and disingenuous that I’m not even going to bother addressing the rest. I’ve seen a lot of your previous posts and despite what you claim about the right, everything I’ve seen is attacking the left. I stand by what I said before.

[HarthorneWingo]

The arguments that you make against Democrats only make sense if someone sees things in black and white without considering context.

Your vote is black or white because we don't have ranked choice voting. So even if you hate the candidate if you're a single issue voter you are locked in or if you vote let's say Libertarian you are incinerating your vote.

I looked up the Ron Paul Justice for Breonna Taylor act and I didn’t see anything about only Democrats blocking the bill. Republicans controlled the Senate at the time, Mitch McConnell could have brought it up for a vote or removed the filibuster to bring it up for debate. Also Democrats have pushed for more substantial police reform which includes banning no knock warrants, but Republicans have refused to work with them and I do not see Rand Paul cosponsoring any of those bills.

https://time.com/6156590/breonna-taylor-no-knock-warrants/

I said vote down, technically it 'died' meaning it never went to vote. So I misspoke there, but it died because despite it being bipartisan and having massive public support the parties (republican and democrat) have to both get theirs and take credit.

You saying that Stacey Abrams is an election denier is just flat out wrong and false. These are her own words:



She didn’t say the election was stolen like Trump and Republicans did, which is completely idiotic because Republicans got elected on those same ballots. She didn’t call for her supporters to commit violence or go around precincts asking to commit voter fraud which is everything Republicans and Trump attempted to do. She raised legitimate concerns that Kemp did voter purges in predominantly minority areas.





Yes it’s shady as hell that 3 months before the election Kemp removed 85,000 voters in an election that Abrams only lost by 55,000 votes. There’s nothing wrong with pointing that out which is the opposite of the Republican assault on Democracy which is claiming country wide election fraud including states run by Republicans.

She is an election denier.

https://youtu.be/H5sDMtFC6Oo?t=1099

You may not care. But she has said multiple times she won. In this instance "I do have one very affirmative statement to make ... we won". She never conceded. You can debate the merits of her claims just like you can with the orange clowns but she refused to concede. You say, "She didn’t say the election was stolen like Trump and Republicans did" -- I guess she didn't use the word stolen. If you want to die on that hill go for it. Trump is an election denier. Stacey Abrams is as well, and she did it without even being the incumbent.

And the last thing about Democrats being antivaccine in just flat out false. There was no political hedge and there are multiple reports that debunk it.

this ... is a separate claim from the below. I claimed they politicized it. They cast doubt on it, if it was associated and was delivered to market by Trump. She said, "if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I’m not taking it." meaning to me and anyone with ears that if Trump had won and put vaccine mandates in place via executive order she wouldn't take it. Even if you want to hedge what she said about Fauchi, she's casting doubt on the vaccines, just like lunatic right wingers.

Vaccines work, vaccine mandates worked to reduce hospitalizations and deaths as well as slow the spread.

This is a different issue and I've never claimed otherwise. My only quibble is you are conflating two different things. The vaccines do exactly what they proved they did in the EUA trial. The end. Nothing more or less. They trigger, in healthy enough people a measurable auto-immune response, measurable exactly as they were measured in the trial using very reliable anti-body tests. We may eventually get some 5 year data but we don't have it now.

Vaccine mandates haven't been proven in anyway shape or form reduce hospitalizations because they were applied to people who had already had covid. I am 100% against vaccine mandates and believe it's your body and your choice. We don't police other diseases that are all personal choice that destroy our health system far worse than covid. I'm also pro choice and pro right to die.

I’ve seen a lot of your posts and your argument of “hating all politicians” is just a convenient excuse to repeat wing talking points. I never see you criticizing Republicans or the right wing or putting their depravity in the proper context. You just want to support Republicans and not feel bad about it.

I actually don't feel bad that I'll be forced by the insane ineffective authoritarian policies of the far left to vote for Republican morons. I feel frustrated. I absolutely rip Republicans for all of their destructive failed policies, starting with the war on drugs, with Trump and Bushes utter catastrophe in limiting legal immigration, their lack of support for gay marriage (while hypocritically claiming they want the government out of their lives), their awful record on things like access to over the counter medications (morning after pill being the black pearl of intolerance), and previously during Bush/Chaney their constant regime change wars (now the policy of the Democrats).

You just have to label anybody who doesn't comply with all the talking points of the left as 'right wing' because labels are the lefts religion now.

I’m not going to address the Rand Paul stuff because Luv the Knicks thoroughly corrected you that not only was your claim wrong, you attributed things to the Democrats that they weren’t responsible for and you failed to acknowledge that the bill was a self serving stunt from Paul.

The Stacy Abrams quote that you posted is so disingenuous that it’s actually laughable. Why didn’t you continue to post what she said after we won? I watch after where you cut off the clip and she spoke about registering new voters, talking to people that didn’t look like her or like her and engaging in a political strategy to grow the big tent. Yeah some real heavy election denial stuff there. This is the problem with your argument, you want both parties to be the same so badly that you leave out important context. If you watch the clip when she references we won, she’s obviously talking about them proving the hypothesis of successfully registering new voters. Abrams has said many times that Brian Kemp won and is the Governor. She never denied an election, claimed it was stolen or tried to claim fraud like Republicans. She also never encouraged her supporters to commit violence or harass election workers. She’s been clear many times on that and you’re just repeating Republican talking points.

Though both Abrams and Trump refused to concede after they lost, their similarities on election integrity stop there.

Trump tried to invalidate the presidential election, while Abrams acknowledged her defeat in the 2018 governor’s race. Trump lost lawsuits over election results; supporters of Abrams have won court rulings to verify and count additional absentee ballots.

While Abrams said 10 days after the election that she wasn’t conceding, she also said in the same speech that Republican Brian Kemp was the victor. Trump only admitted he had lost the day after a riot at the U.S. Capitol as the Electoral College confirmed his defeat.

This is not the words of an election denier.

“Concession means to acknowledge an action is right, true or proper. As a woman of conscience and faith, I cannot concede. But my assessment is that the law currently allows no further viable remedy,” Abrams said in a speech Nov. 16, 2018. “Now, I could certainly bring a new case to keep this one contest alive, but I don’t want to hold public office if I need to scheme my way into the post.”

https://www.ajc.com/politics/abrams-and-trump-both-questioned-elections-but-evidence-is-different/OKQVIDCA2NCDREJQDIGBP2PSLU/

It’s not just Trump, you have the whole Republican Party lying that the election was stolen and you have Republicans politicians running for office that have said they’d overturn an election. Your both sides bull is garbage because there’s literally only one party who doesn’t believe in Democracy or accountability. That’s the difference and that’s what you refuse to acknowledge with your both sides are bad act. Your arguments are so factually wrong and disingenuous that I’m not even going to bother addressing the rest. I’ve seen a lot of your previous posts and despite what you claim about the right, everything I’ve seen is attacking the left. I stand by what I said before.

Former Maine Republican governor Paul LaPage just came out publicly and said that “Merrick Garland should be executed!” and no Republican said a word about it. This is where they’re at.

[HarthorneWingo]

This is pretty funny

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[Pointgod]

Your vote is black or white because we don't have ranked choice voting. So even if you hate the candidate if you're a single issue voter you are locked in or if you vote let's say Libertarian you are incinerating your vote.



I said vote down, technically it 'died' meaning it never went to vote. So I misspoke there, but it died because despite it being bipartisan and having massive public support the parties (republican and democrat) have to both get theirs and take credit.



She is an election denier.

https://youtu.be/H5sDMtFC6Oo?t=1099

You may not care. But she has said multiple times she won. In this instance "I do have one very affirmative statement to make ... we won". She never conceded. You can debate the merits of her claims just like you can with the orange clowns but she refused to concede. You say, "She didn’t say the election was stolen like Trump and Republicans did" -- I guess she didn't use the word stolen. If you want to die on that hill go for it. Trump is an election denier. Stacey Abrams is as well, and she did it without even being the incumbent.



this ... is a separate claim from the below. I claimed they politicized it. They cast doubt on it, if it was associated and was delivered to market by Trump. She said, "if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I’m not taking it." meaning to me and anyone with ears that if Trump had won and put vaccine mandates in place via executive order she wouldn't take it. Even if you want to hedge what she said about Fauchi, she's casting doubt on the vaccines, just like lunatic right wingers.



This is a different issue and I've never claimed otherwise. My only quibble is you are conflating two different things. The vaccines do exactly what they proved they did in the EUA trial. The end. Nothing more or less. They trigger, in healthy enough people a measurable auto-immune response, measurable exactly as they were measured in the trial using very reliable anti-body tests. We may eventually get some 5 year data but we don't have it now.

Vaccine mandates haven't been proven in anyway shape or form reduce hospitalizations because they were applied to people who had already had covid. I am 100% against vaccine mandates and believe it's your body and your choice. We don't police other diseases that are all personal choice that destroy our health system far worse than covid. I'm also pro choice and pro right to die.



I actually don't feel bad that I'll be forced by the insane ineffective authoritarian policies of the far left to vote for Republican morons. I feel frustrated. I absolutely rip Republicans for all of their destructive failed policies, starting with the war on drugs, with Trump and Bushes utter catastrophe in limiting legal immigration, their lack of support for gay marriage (while hypocritically claiming they want the government out of their lives), their awful record on things like access to over the counter medications (morning after pill being the black pearl of intolerance), and previously during Bush/Chaney their constant regime change wars (now the policy of the Democrats).

You just have to label anybody who doesn't comply with all the talking points of the left as 'right wing' because labels are the lefts religion now.

I’m not going to address the Rand Paul stuff because Luv the Knicks thoroughly corrected you that not only was your claim wrong, you attributed things to the Democrats that they weren’t responsible for and you failed to acknowledge that the bill was a self serving stunt from Paul.

The Stacy Abrams quote that you posted is so disingenuous that it’s actually laughable. Why didn’t you continue to post what she said after we won? I watch after where you cut off the clip and she spoke about registering new voters, talking to people that didn’t look like her or like her and engaging in a political strategy to grow the big tent. Yeah some real heavy election denial stuff there. This is the problem with your argument, you want both parties to be the same so badly that you leave out important context. If you watch the clip when she references we won, she’s obviously talking about them proving the hypothesis of successfully registering new voters. Abrams has said many times that Brian Kemp won and is the Governor. She never denied an election, claimed it was stolen or tried to claim fraud like Republicans. She also never encouraged her supporters to commit violence or harass election workers. She’s been clear many times on that and you’re just repeating Republican talking points.

Though both Abrams and Trump refused to concede after they lost, their similarities on election integrity stop there.

Trump tried to invalidate the presidential election, while Abrams acknowledged her defeat in the 2018 governor’s race. Trump lost lawsuits over election results; supporters of Abrams have won court rulings to verify and count additional absentee ballots.

While Abrams said 10 days after the election that she wasn’t conceding, she also said in the same speech that Republican Brian Kemp was the victor. Trump only admitted he had lost the day after a riot at the U.S. Capitol as the Electoral College confirmed his defeat.

This is not the words of an election denier.

“Concession means to acknowledge an action is right, true or proper. As a woman of conscience and faith, I cannot concede. But my assessment is that the law currently allows no further viable remedy,” Abrams said in a speech Nov. 16, 2018. “Now, I could certainly bring a new case to keep this one contest alive, but I don’t want to hold public office if I need to scheme my way into the post.”

https://www.ajc.com/politics/abrams-and-trump-both-questioned-elections-but-evidence-is-different/OKQVIDCA2NCDREJQDIGBP2PSLU/

It’s not just Trump, you have the whole Republican Party lying that the election was stolen and you have Republicans politicians running for office that have said they’d overturn an election. Your both sides bull is garbage because there’s literally only one party who doesn’t believe in Democracy or accountability. That’s the difference and that’s what you refuse to acknowledge with your both sides are bad act. Your arguments are so factually wrong and disingenuous that I’m not even going to bother addressing the rest. I’ve seen a lot of your previous posts and despite what you claim about the right, everything I’ve seen is attacking the left. I stand by what I said before.

Former Maine Republican governor Paul LaPage just came out publicly and said that “Merrick Garland should be executed!” and no Republican said a word about it. This is where they’re at.

Bu bu Stacey Abrams didn’t call Brian Kemp to concede when she lost. It’s literally the same thing as Trumpsters advocating for violence to break Democracy

[HarthorneWingo]

I’m not going to address the Rand Paul stuff because Luv the Knicks thoroughly corrected you that not only was your claim wrong, you attributed things to the Democrats that they weren’t responsible for and you failed to acknowledge that the bill was a self serving stunt from Paul.

The Stacy Abrams quote that you posted is so disingenuous that it’s actually laughable. Why didn’t you continue to post what she said after we won? I watch after where you cut off the clip and she spoke about registering new voters, talking to people that didn’t look like her or like her and engaging in a political strategy to grow the big tent. Yeah some real heavy election denial stuff there. This is the problem with your argument, you want both parties to be the same so badly that you leave out important context. If you watch the clip when she references we won, she’s obviously talking about them proving the hypothesis of successfully registering new voters. Abrams has said many times that Brian Kemp won and is the Governor. She never denied an election, claimed it was stolen or tried to claim fraud like Republicans. She also never encouraged her supporters to commit violence or harass election workers. She’s been clear many times on that and you’re just repeating Republican talking points.



This is not the words of an election denier.


https://www.ajc.com/politics/abrams-and-trump-both-questioned-elections-but-evidence-is-different/OKQVIDCA2NCDREJQDIGBP2PSLU/

It’s not just Trump, you have the whole Republican Party lying that the election was stolen and you have Republicans politicians running for office that have said they’d overturn an election. Your both sides bull is garbage because there’s literally only one party who doesn’t believe in Democracy or accountability. That’s the difference and that’s what you refuse to acknowledge with your both sides are bad act. Your arguments are so factually wrong and disingenuous that I’m not even going to bother addressing the rest. I’ve seen a lot of your previous posts and despite what you claim about the right, everything I’ve seen is attacking the left. I stand by what I said before.

Former Maine Republican governor Paul LaPage just came out publicly and said that “Merrick Garland should be executed!” and no Republican said a word about it. This is where they’re at.

Bu bu Stacey Abrams didn’t call Brian Kemp to concede when she lost. It’s literally the same thing as Trumpsters advocating for violence to break Democracy

I thought that the good people of Maine were more sensible than to pay any attention to Mr. LaPage. If I recall, he once spoke of going after someone with a baseball bat.

[HarthorneWingo]

Republicans for Beto O'Rourke. He's definitely put in the work to improve his agenda though, granted, there's a lot of material for him down there in Texas. It appears that Texans are tired of Gov. Abbott but I'd like to hear from our Texas correspondents FatKat and GONYK first.

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[Fat Kat]

Republicans for Beto O'Rourke. He's definitely put in the work to improve his agenda though, granted, there's a lot of material for him down there in Texas. It appears that Texans are tired of Gov. Abbott but I'd like to hear from our Texas correspondents FatKat and GONYK first.

Watch on YouTube

Abbott’s lead is shrinking and Beto’s in striking distance, but voter suppression is very real here in Texas. They target Democratic leaning poll places for petty violations like handicap ramps days before the election. I guess they’ll be poll watchers trying to intimidate folks. It’s an uphill battle but not insurmountable. Beto does need to shut up about banning guns though. Most of us lefties down here are gun owners

[Pointgod]

Former Maine Republican governor Paul LaPage just came out publicly and said that “Merrick Garland should be executed!” and no Republican said a word about it. This is where they’re at.

Bu bu Stacey Abrams didn’t call Brian Kemp to concede when she lost. It’s literally the same thing as Trumpsters advocating for violence to break Democracy

I thought that the good people of Maine were more sensible than to pay any attention to Mr. LaPage. If I recall, he once spoke of going after someone with a baseball bat.

The good people of Maine re-elected sentient oatmeal Susan Collins but voted for Biden. People are confusing.

[Pointgod]

Republicans for Beto O'Rourke. He's definitely put in the work to improve his agenda though, granted, there's a lot of material for him down there in Texas. It appears that Texans are tired of Gov. Abbott but I'd like to hear from our Texas correspondents FatKat and GONYK first.

Watch on YouTube

Abbott’s lead is shrinking and Beto’s in striking distance, but voter suppression is very real here in Texas. They target Democratic leaning poll places for petty violations like handicap ramps days before the election. I guess they’ll be poll watchers trying to intimidate folks. It’s an uphill battle but not insurmountable. Beto does need to shut up about banning guns though. Most of us lefties down here are gun owners

I thought Beto had no chance after the “Hell yeah I’m coming for your guns” comment don a national stage, but I respect the hell out of him for making this close. Sadly I think Texas and Florida are always going to do what Texas and Florida do, disappoint. Enough people can’t get out of their own way enough to want better for themselves.

[Fat Kat]

Republicans for Beto O'Rourke. He's definitely put in the work to improve his agenda though, granted, there's a lot of material for him down there in Texas. It appears that Texans are tired of Gov. Abbott but I'd like to hear from our Texas correspondents FatKat and GONYK first.

Watch on YouTube

Abbott’s lead is shrinking and Beto’s in striking distance, but voter suppression is very real here in Texas. They target Democratic leaning poll places for petty violations like handicap ramps days before the election. I guess they’ll be poll watchers trying to intimidate folks. It’s an uphill battle but not insurmountable. Beto does need to shut up about banning guns though. Most of us lefties down here are gun owners

I thought Beto had no chance after the “Hell yeah I’m coming for your guns” comment don a national stage, but I respect the hell out of him for making this close. Sadly I think Texas and Florida are always going to do what Texas and Florida do, disappoint. Enough people can’t get out of their own way enough to want better for themselves.

It’s hard to put the blame squarely on the voters when they’re met with tighter voter restriction laws. However in Texas, we do need better turnout.

[Clyde_Style]

Republicans for Beto O'Rourke. He's definitely put in the work to improve his agenda though, granted, there's a lot of material for him down there in Texas. It appears that Texans are tired of Gov. Abbott but I'd like to hear from our Texas correspondents FatKat and GONYK first.

Watch on YouTube

Abbott’s lead is shrinking and Beto’s in striking distance, but voter suppression is very real here in Texas. They target Democratic leaning poll places for petty violations like handicap ramps days before the election. I guess they’ll be poll watchers trying to intimidate folks. It’s an uphill battle but not insurmountable. Beto does need to shut up about banning guns though. Most of us lefties down here are gun owners

I thought Beto had no chance after the “Hell yeah I’m coming for your guns” comment don a national stage, but I respect the hell out of him for making this close. Sadly I think Texas and Florida are always going to do what Texas and Florida do, disappoint. Enough people can’t get out of their own way enough to want better for themselves.

Wealthier people have been moving to non-tax states in significant numbers the past few years, particularly Texas and Florida. Whatever chance these states had to become blue states was pretty much ruined by this migration, because these are people who will vote Republican on the single basis that they expect to pay less taxes under a Republican government. It doesn't mean they are correct about that assumption, but for those people all other issues are secondary.

[HarthorneWingo]

Abbott’s lead is shrinking and Beto’s in striking distance, but voter suppression is very real here in Texas. They target Democratic leaning poll places for petty violations like handicap ramps days before the election. I guess they’ll be poll watchers trying to intimidate folks. It’s an uphill battle but not insurmountable. Beto does need to shut up about banning guns though. Most of us lefties down here are gun owners

I thought Beto had no chance after the “Hell yeah I’m coming for your guns” comment don a national stage, but I respect the hell out of him for making this close. Sadly I think Texas and Florida are always going to do what Texas and Florida do, disappoint. Enough people can’t get out of their own way enough to want better for themselves.

Wealthier people have been moving to non-tax states in significant numbers the past few years, particularly Texas and Florida. Whatever chance these states had to become blue states was pretty much ruined by this migration, because these are people who will vote Republican on the single basis that they expect to pay less taxes under a Republican government. It doesn't mean they are correct about that assumption, but for those people all other issues are secondary.

I thought Texas (along with Georgia) was trending purple in recent elections. The big business interest that has recently moved to Texas (Austin), to my knowledge, is SF's tech industry. I thought that was a Democratic voting block, but maybe I'm wrong about that. I heard that the influx of SF techies in Austin has really congested the city and caused housing prices to skyrocket. Oh well.

Even if you're a business entity, I can't see how they would think that Abbott is the way forward. The man is off the reservation as they say.

[Clyde_Style]

I thought Beto had no chance after the “Hell yeah I’m coming for your guns” comment don a national stage, but I respect the hell out of him for making this close. Sadly I think Texas and Florida are always going to do what Texas and Florida do, disappoint. Enough people can’t get out of their own way enough to want better for themselves.

Wealthier people have been moving to non-tax states in significant numbers the past few years, particularly Texas and Florida. Whatever chance these states had to become blue states was pretty much ruined by this migration, because these are people who will vote Republican on the single basis that they expect to pay less taxes under a Republican government. It doesn't mean they are correct about that assumption, but for those people all other issues are secondary.

I thought Texas (along with Georgia) was trending purple in recent elections. The big business interest that has recently moved to Texas (Austin), to my knowledge, is SF's tech industry. I thought that was a Democratic voting block, but maybe I'm wrong about that. I heard that the influx of SF techies in Austin has really congested the city and caused housing prices to skyrocket. Oh well.

Even if you're a business entity, I can't see how they would think that Abbott is the way forward. The man is off the reservation as they say.

That's the mitigating factor this election cycle. Guys like Abbott and DeSantis are so atrocious there is a chance to beat them. If either was sane and not pulling weird maga stunts they'd be impossible to beat now in their respective states. So there is hope. These mid-terms are uniquely defined by outrage against the extremes of the GOP and SCOTUS so a lot can go right in spite of states that lean red.

As far as TX, the exodus from Cali was mostly right-wingers sick of that state. More of them left than Democrat voting immigrants to Austin. The growth of the Dallas-Ft. Worth area is being fueled by these tax refugees. And Florida got redder in the last few years. It is more Republican than ever in many areas. The kind of person who has at least a half million in equity pulled up stakes and came here. Tens of thousands of them. They hate taxes and vote accordingly. All they talk about is their lawn and home renovations and property values. They will vote Republican.

[Pointgod]

Abbott’s lead is shrinking and Beto’s in striking distance, but voter suppression is very real here in Texas. They target Democratic leaning poll places for petty violations like handicap ramps days before the election. I guess they’ll be poll watchers trying to intimidate folks. It’s an uphill battle but not insurmountable. Beto does need to shut up about banning guns though. Most of us lefties down here are gun owners

I thought Beto had no chance after the “Hell yeah I’m coming for your guns” comment don a national stage, but I respect the hell out of him for making this close. Sadly I think Texas and Florida are always going to do what Texas and Florida do, disappoint. Enough people can’t get out of their own way enough to want better for themselves.

It’s hard to put the blame squarely on the voters when they’re met with tighter voter restriction laws. However in Texas, we do need better turnout.

I sympathize with the targets of voter suppression however the counter point is that they still need to show up in numbers regardless of how hard Republicans make it. Because if they don’t, it becomes learned helplessness situation where if people don’t vote to get rid of the people that put the laws into place they’ll always be suppressed. Hopefully there can be changes made at the Federal level. I don’t put all the blame for places like Texas and Florida on Democrats that don’t consistently vote. It’s the Independents and Republicans that Clyde mentioned that know Republicans are bad for Democracy and their state but use bull rationalization like taxes to render other people second class citizens.