PG: Houston Had a Problem, Brunson Aborts Launch

[DaGawd]

Damn doesn't sound good for Grimes

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that last part is just stupid if true.

if he was legit injured he shouldn’t have played.. plus who cares we smacked the cavs in 5.. thibs is a petty mofo

[rajajackal]

Damn doesn't sound good for Grimes

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that last part is just stupid if true.

if he was legit injured he shouldn’t have played.. plus who cares we smacked the cavs in 5.. thibs is a petty mofo

"There's also speculation" = bondy "speculating" to spin drama imo. but he did look like a guy who knows he's being traded last night, that's for sure

[Jalen Bluntson]

Damn doesn't sound good for Grimes

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Thibs is a fuggin ass hole! This is the BS he does. He's not sour on Hart for pump faking away thousands of open 3s? He's not sour on lazy defensive games from Randle? Of course not. They're vets. But he's got a problem with a second year player sitting with an injury? Fuq him.

[BrOnXKing1]

Good win but need another playmaker. The offense gets painfully stagnant at times

[DOT]

Damn doesn't sound good for Grimes

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I'm not even a Grimes guy, but if we trade him (especially if we trade him for pennies on the dollar), I don't know how you don't view that as an indictment of the FO, that they've been here since 2020 and we don't have a single first round pick on the roster, that all those 1sts we had (remember, we had 5 1sts in a 3 year span) plus RJ turned into OG Anunoby, 2 2nds, and whatever we trade Grimes for

Like, the team is still good and all, but missing on 1sts, squandering their development, or just trading them away before they really come into their own is not how you build a sustainable roster.

[cgf]

Hey Leon, go get Bogdan Bogdanovic, Gafford, Tate, Bullock, and we'll be ready for war.

Brunson | DiVincenzo | McBride
Grimes | Bogdanovic | Bullock
Anunoby | Hart | Tate
Randle
Hartenstein | Robinson | Gafford

I feel this isn't enough new players added

Gunna need a lot of depth to make it through 4 series of injuries, foul-trouble, & sudden cold streaks

[cgf]

Damn doesn't sound good for Grimes

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that last part is just stupid if true.

if he was legit injured he shouldn’t have played.. plus who cares we smacked the cavs in 5.. thibs is a petty mofo

"There's also speculation" = bondy "speculating" to spin drama imo. but he did look like a guy who knows he's being traded last night, that's for sure

From Katz' podcast Thibs was still absolutely in Grimes' corner at the start of the season, and it's more recently that he's been not trusting Grimes as much as he used to. So I'm skeptical of that as well.

[jvsimonetti0514]

that last part is just stupid if true.

if he was legit injured he shouldn’t have played.. plus who cares we smacked the cavs in 5.. thibs is a petty mofo

"There's also speculation" = bondy "speculating" to spin drama imo. but he did look like a guy who knows he's being traded last night, that's for sure

From Katz' podcast Thibs was still absolutely in Grimes' corner at the start of the season, and it's more recently that he's been not trusting Grimes as much as he used to. So I'm skeptical of that as well.

Also he played Grimes all 48 minutes against Miami. How did he lose trust in grimes against the Cavs but did that against the Heat?

[Reign23]

solid, grinted out win!

[mpharris36]

Bondy is known as a pot stirrer so I wouldn't buy that Cavs injury sh*t he is spewing. But clearly Thibs has soured on Grimes for whatever reason this year. The slow start, then him going to the media about his role (this is probably the tipping point).

We can't just be giving Grimes away for nothing. He is one of our trust worthy shooters. But if we add a guard that can create he is going to take Grimes minutes anyway so Grimes shouldn't have zero value around the league. Just like IQ. IQ was playing less minutes this year but was still valued around the league. FO's know what Grimes can bring.

[Reign23]

This gotta be one of the worst takes ever

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every time i watch Jalen Green he looks like an ultimative bust. still young and book is by no means closed but he is the perfect example to me why more athleticism isn't always more potential.

[god shammgod]

wiz tomorrow. knicks should win that one too without trying.

I find your certainty oddly disturbing

it's not really a compliment of the knicks. this is just a scheduled win because of the competition. they won't have to try that hard to win. i'm more interested in seeing what they do when they face actual competition.

[god shammgod]

Bondy is known as a pot stirrer so I wouldn't buy that Cavs injury sh*t he is spewing. But clearly Thibs has soured on Grimes for whatever reason this year. The slow start, then him going to the media about his role (this is probably the tipping point).

We can't just be giving Grimes away for nothing. He is one of our trust worthy shooters. But if we add a guard that can create he is going to take Grimes minutes anyway so Grimes shouldn't have zero value around the league. Just like IQ. IQ was playing less minutes this year but was still valued around the league. FO's know what Grimes can bring.

i don't really buy that. instead of letting him play through his early season slump you benched him and reduced his minutes. maybe with more minutes he would have broke out. his value over the summer was based on him improving and we have not really given him the chance to show if he improved. i barely even notice him out there having any big affect on the game anymore. even defensively. he's just another guy now.

[god shammgod]

there is something weird about trading away almost every single young player you drafted. that's either a failure of scouting or a failure of coaching/the front office that nobody is deemed important enough to keep.

[3toheadmelo]

probably the best pass i ever seen by julius

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[mpharris36]

Bondy is known as a pot stirrer so I wouldn't buy that Cavs injury sh*t he is spewing. But clearly Thibs has soured on Grimes for whatever reason this year. The slow start, then him going to the media about his role (this is probably the tipping point).

We can't just be giving Grimes away for nothing. He is one of our trust worthy shooters. But if we add a guard that can create he is going to take Grimes minutes anyway so Grimes shouldn't have zero value around the league. Just like IQ. IQ was playing less minutes this year but was still valued around the league. FO's know what Grimes can bring.

i don't really buy that. instead of letting him play through his early season slump you benched him and reduced his minutes. maybe with more minutes he would have broke out. his value over the summer was based on him improving and we have not really given him the chance to show if he improved. i barely even notice him out there having any big affect on the game anymore. he's just another guy now.

Its not an easy lineup to play with for a young guy. Brunson, Randle, and RJ need to get there shots. Grimes was going 6-7-8 minute stretches without even getting a shot up. Some was on his teammates some was Grimes being gun shy.

Obviously DD came into the lineup and has no problem jacking up shots...but thats a mentality thing. DD clearly doesn't think about misses when Grimes obviously gets effected by them.

I thought the move to the bench was a good thing for Grimes. You can make the argument you can try him back with the starters now but and trust me I have plenty of issues with Thibs. I do think Grimes complaining about his role def soured thibs. I don't like that but thats what it is.

So we are hear. In a spot we traded two perimeter players who took a decent amount of usage and shots...and Grimes still is playing the exact same way. So at this point with him approaching his very important year 4...if you get 1st round value (which I still think you can get for him). Someone always needs shooting and defense. You package him with Fournier and get a piece that helps more.

I don't think at this point Grimes will continue to improve his value beyond what people already think of him...so its not really that important for us to keep him around to add to a future "star" deal.

[RHODEY]

there is something weird about trading away almost every single young player you drafted. that's either a failure of scouting or a failure of coaching/the front office that nobody is deemed important enough to keep.

Or a failure of tanking.

[Phish Tank]

there is something weird about trading away almost every single young player you drafted. that's either a failure of scouting or a failure of coaching/the front office that nobody is deemed important enough to keep.

I think Leon doesn't have any balls and is soft. Thibs prolly told him to trade RJ & IQ because he's too unimaginative to find a way to play both of them the right way.

Leon can't discipline Thibs. I can tell - couldn't even discipline his own kids and can't speak in complete sentences to save his life.

[mpharris36]

there is something weird about trading away almost every single young player you drafted. that's either a failure of scouting or a failure of coaching/the front office that nobody is deemed important enough to keep.

as long as they are trading them away for useful pieces where we don't have to give up draft capital I don't really consider that a bad thing.

If IQ was valued at 2 1sts
If RJ was valued at 1 1st

to grab OG.

if

Grimes is also valued as a 1st round pick.

That isn't terrible, I have had many issues with this FO but they clearly along with Thibs use the draft to move pieces around because they believe they can pay servicable vets to do something similar production wise.

[god shammgod]

it's not like you're trading them for a star either. you're trading them for other role players.