2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 4

[Riot Randolph]

It's time to call the Bulls bluff and offer them both our 24 FRPs for Caruso.

Here’s what I keep going back to:

Any of these guards we’re talking about getting would take most, if not all, of Grimes and Deuce’s minutes.

Like Caruso, Brogdon, Clarkson, Brown, Burks etc would essentially take the backup PG and SG spots from them.

So whats the point of keeping Grimes if we get Caruso? They’re similar 3/D players. We wouldn’t give up picks for Caruso and only play him 15 mpg.

I like Grimes but it feels like we’re going to trade him to save a 1st, and because he wouldn’t play as much anyway behind these guys. We’re gonna just keep him for insurance? Thats what Deuce would be for.

Caruso isn't a scorer, but he has legit PG skills and can initiate the offense in a way Grimes & Deuce can't which I think would really help Randle & Grimes in the non-Brunson minutes...as well as giving us another strong defensive option for the closing lineup. That's why I think he would be a great fit for us.

And I don't think that would guarantee less PT for Grimes even if nobody got hurt banged up and Donte stayed hot:

Brunson 34-36 | Caruso 12-14 | McBride
DDV 20-24 | Grimes 16-20 | Caruso 8-12
Anunoby 20-24 | Hart 20-24 | Caruso 0-4
Randle 34-36 | Anunoby 12-14
RobinHart 48 | Sims/Achiuwa

Leaving Grimes around the 18mpg he's currently getting while Caruso, DiVincenzo, and Hart land in that 20-24mpg range.

tyus is half the price and a solid defender and can orchestrate jsut as well

[cgf]

i'd pass on caruso and gafford if that's the price. good players but not necessary enough for us to give up picks for them. save those picks for a star.

Don’t think that wiz pick that may never convey and a FRP in this draft will move the needle much in any star player trade. It’s our unprotected future FRPs and maybe that Detroit pick that we’ll need to trade for a star.

eh you're still giving up 2 other picks. we might have something in sims too. fournier's contract will be needed for a star. i'll pass lol

Fair enough, but it's just 2 out of the 9 FRPs that we can trade over the next 6 months...4 protected FRPs + 24 NYK FRP + 4 unprotected future FRPs this summer...and 2 of the least valuable ones at that; the least likely to convey protected FRP and a NYK FRP in this weak draft class when we're really good.

We'll have plenty of midsized contracts we can combine this summer if a star becomes available. And since we won't be a supertax team until next summer, that'll actually give us more flexibility than having a single larger contract to play with this summer.

[cgf]

Here’s what I keep going back to:

Any of these guards we’re talking about getting would take most, if not all, of Grimes and Deuce’s minutes.

Like Caruso, Brogdon, Clarkson, Brown, Burks etc would essentially take the backup PG and SG spots from them.

So whats the point of keeping Grimes if we get Caruso? They’re similar 3/D players. We wouldn’t give up picks for Caruso and only play him 15 mpg.

I like Grimes but it feels like we’re going to trade him to save a 1st, and because he wouldn’t play as much anyway behind these guys. We’re gonna just keep him for insurance? Thats what Deuce would be for.

Caruso isn't a scorer, but he has legit PG skills and can initiate the offense in a way Grimes & Deuce can't which I think would really help Randle & Grimes in the non-Brunson minutes...as well as giving us another strong defensive option for the closing lineup. That's why I think he would be a great fit for us.

And I don't think that would guarantee less PT for Grimes even if nobody got hurt banged up and Donte stayed hot:

Brunson 34-36 | Caruso 12-14 | McBride
DDV 20-24 | Grimes 16-20 | Caruso 8-12
Anunoby 20-24 | Hart 20-24 | Caruso 0-4
Randle 34-36 | Anunoby 12-14
RobinHart 48 | Sims/Achiuwa

Leaving Grimes around the 18mpg he's currently getting while Caruso, DiVincenzo, and Hart land in that 20-24mpg range.

tyus is half the price and a solid defender and can orchestrate jsut as well

I wouldn't trust Tyus next to Brunson against playoff teams, whereas being able to stick AC next Brundle, OG, & Mitch to just shut teams down in crunchtime is a significant part of his appeal. Jones is a better offensive player than Caruso, but a lot worse defensively and a lot smaller.

[iLLmatic860]

Is the Lakers-Hawks holdup really only due to them not finding a team that is willing to take on Russell? The guy is playing a pretty solid season, shooting Brunson-like percentages. The Hawks are rumored to want an expiring contract and 2 picks. It seems as if the Lakers are offering the kid they took at 17 in last year's draft and the 29 pick. Wouldn't it make sense for us to swoop in and give the Hawks Fournier and take on Russell , essentially for nothing and he is a FA next season again?

Russell is averaging 17points/6assists on 48% from the field and 42% from 3. The upside would be that he would cost next to nothing, the downside he would disrupt the stalwart defense.

I feel like players like Bron are able to keep a guy like Dlo in check

Dlo will go back to bad habits without him.

You mean as a trouble maker or on court?

Being a low iq player

[Bob Ross]

Let's get Jokic

[thebuzzardman]

I want the trade to be Brogdon, but gut feeling says it'll be Brown

[cgf]

Let's get Jokic

That feels almost too obvious. After we beat them in the finals, maybe we'll just break Big Honey's spirit & he'll pull a KD?

[Juco24]

I'm honestly to the point where if we make a SMART trade... great!! But I'm not for using assets that could be used later for the big fish. The one guy I'd like to see us get - IF HE'D BE WILLING TO COME OFF THE BENCH- is Derozan. He's a guy who can get to the free throw line, create and can be money down the stretch. But that's ONLY at the right cost.

This team seemingly loves playing together and I swear I don't think we should rock the boat this season. In the offseason, I guarantee a big name is going to want out

[lloydj]

Knicks Trade: Fournier, Grime, Sims, Mitch and 2 First Round Picks

Chicago Trade: DeRozan and Vucevic

Pickup off Waver wire: Kyle Lowery


Knicks Roster

Brunson/Lowery/Duce/Flynn
DeRozan/Donte/Hart
O.G./Hart/DeRozan
Randle/O.G./Precious
Vucevic/iHart/Precious

[sol537]

Yeah, I'm on board for not rocking the boat. If a defender & ball handler type can be had for cheap or a back-up big... then sure. I'm out on Murray, Derozan or anyone like that (big no to Lavine lol).

Caruso... sure. Brogdon for Fournier and a protected 1st? Why not. We've got a good thing cooking with McBride and Grimes injecting some 2-way energy. Just gotta get Hart's 3pt shot right in time for the playoffs and we'll be OK.

[TheGreenArrow]

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[3toheadmelo]

So Sexton is available according to Jake fischer. i hope we try hard to get him

The Utah Jazz are being considered both a buyer and seller at this juncture, with ball-handlers Jordan Clarkson, Collin Sexton and Talen Horton-Tucker considered available for trade, sources said. And while the Jazz are confident in rookie Keyonte George’s fitness as their point guard of the future, the Jazz have also registered interest in several veterans, including Murray, sources said, to possibly hold the position in the interim.

[Juco24]

So Sexton is available according to Jake fischer. i hope we try hard to get him

The Utah Jazz are being considered both a buyer and seller at this juncture, with ball-handlers Jordan Clarkson, Collin Sexton and Talen Horton-Tucker considered available for trade, sources said. And while the Jazz are confident in rookie Keyonte George’s fitness as their point guard of the future, the Jazz have also registered interest in several veterans, including Murray, sources said, to possibly hold the position in the interim.

Yeah... Sexton is a dog! Would be a great fit

[sol537]

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Interesting... sounds like we're going to keep our ears to the pavement for a bargain deal... Brogdon, Sexton, etc. might still be in the cards...

[Juco24]

Knicks Trade: Fournier, Grime, Sims, Mitch and 2 First Round Picks

Chicago Trade: DeRozan and Vucevic

Pickup off Waver wire: Kyle Lowery


Knicks Roster

Brunson/Lowery/Duce/Flynn
DeRozan/Donte/Hart
O.G./Hart/DeRozan
Randle/O.G./Precious
Vucevic/iHart/Precious

Grimes, Mitch and Sims AND 2 firsts for Der & Vuc??? Hells nawww!!!

[Spree2Houston]

How about Marcus Smart? Grizzlies are struggling and could look to shed salary. He’s only 29 and on a team friendly contract

[moocow007]

I want the trade to be Brogdon, but gut feeling says it'll be Brown

Let's sure as heck hope not. Brown is useless for this team. He overlaps several guys and likely won't get much play. At which point that contract of his becomes even more crazy than it was when it was first offered to him.

[sol537]

Fournier, Mitch Robinson, rights to Rokas, NYK 2024 1st Rounder, WAS protected 1st, two 2nd Rounders

for

Collin Sexton & Olynyk

We get our IQ replacement. We also get some help up front in a guy (Olynyk) that can give you 15+ productive minutes at the 4 or 5 against opposing team's benches. iHart, Sims, and Precious have shown they can soak up minutes and give you rim protection.

Sexton, Grimes can be used in a star package later, if necessary.

[Riot Randolph]

So how much would we give for Austin reaves…I’d do a first and a couple seconds I think he’d be sick on this team

[Riot Randolph]

Fournier, Mitch Robinson, rights to Rokas, NYK 2024 1st Rounder, WAS protected 1st, two 2nd Rounders

for

Collin Sexton & Olynyk

We get our IQ replacement. We also get some help up front in a guy (Olynyk) that can give you 15+ productive minutes at the 4 or 5 against opposing team's benches. iHart, Sims, and Precious have shown they can soak up minutes and give you rim protection.

Sexton, Grimes can be used in a star package later, if necessary.

cmon bro you’re better than this …