iHart expected to sign with OKC 3/$87

[Appleshampoo]

Can Isiah sign for 2-years $38M with a 1-year out and Knicks retain bird rights?? Maybe a quicker route to the larger bag helps keep him in New York. The only offer discussed is 4-years $72M with 2nd year player option.

Unrestricted free-agency in 2-years is pretty nice when you see the chronic inflation of the salary cap. Much cooler than 5-years $100M to move your fine ass wife to Oklahoma City or Orlando..

[kNicksGmen]

Can Isiah sign for 2-years $38M with a 1-year out and Knicks retain bird rights?? Maybe a quicker route to the larger bag helps keep him in New York. The only offer discussed is 4-years $72M with 2nd year player option.

Unrestricted free-agency in 2-years is pretty nice when you see the chronic inflation of the salary cap. Much cooler than 5-years $100M to move your fine ass wife to Oklahoma City or Orlando..

i think it has to be a min of 3 years to use the early bird rights but not sure. either that or we lose his bird rights if it's shorter than 3. one or the other.

the 4 year 72 mil deal wouldn't have a 2nd year player option, it would be an option for the final year

[TrueWarrior]

My concern is, while I love OG, he is not 100+ million better than Isaiah.

In fact many advanced metrics put Isaiah ahead of OG overall, and near the top of the league even. Isaiah was elite in the best advanced stat EPM this year (2nd best defensive EPM after Isaac), elite in pick and roll points per shot with Jalen, elite as a rim protector, elite as a rebounder, elite as a big man passer, and so forth. Still has potential at only 26 years old with low mileage, especially on offense and as a shooter.

Some fans still underrate Isaiah and think he can be replaced with Goga, or that Mitch is better/as good when he’s not. They are nice centers who can be serviceable as starters, but Isaiah is ahead of them.

Now that OG got paid, will our other guys want to take team friendly deals? How are we going to afford all of them? We still have another year or two before we have to really worry about this, but it’s not right that OG is our highest paid player to me. Jalen, Julius, Mikal, Isaiah, and Deuce will want comparable raises, and rightfully so. Just got to enjoy the ride at this point however.

iHart wasn’t great in the playoffs to be honest. He’s a very good player but he didn’t play like a 20m+ player in the playoffs. OG played like a $35m player his entire time with us. He was great… except for injuries. Hence our W-L record with and without OG. It’s league leading.

Our team had a literal plague of injuries. Almost every player was playing signifcantly hamered or was out entirely. IHart was dealing with that achilles and you could see it was affecting him for stretches during the playoffs.

Yeah Ill grant that Isaiah wasnt amazing in the playoffs, but he was dealing with injuries himself to his achilles and shoulder. This was the first time he started and got extended minutes in his career.

If we lose him Im sure a combo of Mitch/Goga could hold down the fort. Isaiah is just better than them now, as most advanced stats show, and he has more potential. It would be a blow.

All Im saying is OG is not worth 125-150 mill more than Isaiah.

[sol537]

The league doesn’t seem to value centers any more like the good old days. Fingers crossed the Hartenstein stays.

Brunson and co. Should lock him in a room until he agrees lol

[TrueWarrior]

The league doesn’t seem to value centers any more like the good old days. Fingers crossed the Hartenstein stays.

Brunson and co. Should lock him in a room until he agrees lol

It depends on the center.

Pure rim runners like Mitch are not as valued anymore, but Isaiah is more than that with his passing ability and shooting potential.

Guys like BLopez, Vucevic, Val, etc. became better shooters as they aged. Unless Thibs forbids it, I dont see why Isaiah cant follow a similar path. If he re-signs he may ask for more offensive freedom, and will have more pull with a bigger contract.

So if Isaiah does add some shooting he will give us basically everything outside of volume scoring (which we wont even need out of him). Defense, rebounds, assists, shooting, energy, free throws, IQ, floaters, etc. That is very valuable and not easily replaced at all.

[sol537]

The league doesn’t seem to value centers any more like the good old days. Fingers crossed the Hartenstein stays.

Brunson and co. Should lock him in a room until he agrees lol

It depends on the center.

Pure rim runners like Mitch are not as valued anymore, but Isaiah is more than that with his passing ability and shooting potential.

Guys like BLopez, Vucevic, Val, etc. became better shooters as they aged. Unless Thibs forbids it, I dont see why Isaiah cant follow a similar path. If he re-signs he may ask for more offensive freedom, and will have more pull with a bigger contract.

So if Isaiah does add some shooting he will give us basically everything outside of volume scoring (which we wont even need out of him). Defense, rebounds, assists, shooting, floaters, energy, etc. That is very valuable and not easily replaced at all.

100% and that’s why I want him back badly. I think he unlocks this team in ways Mitch or a plan B center could not. OKC should steal him away just to weaken a fellow contender. Learn from their Mavs mistakes. But I hope IHart stays where he’s loved. Fingers crossed!

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Can Isiah sign for 2-years $38M with a 1-year out and Knicks retain bird rights?? Maybe a quicker route to the larger bag helps keep him in New York. The only offer discussed is 4-years $72M with 2nd year player option.

Unrestricted free-agency in 2-years is pretty nice when you see the chronic inflation of the salary cap. Much cooler than 5-years $100M to move your fine ass wife to Oklahoma City or Orlando..

i think it has to be a min of 3 years to use the early bird rights but not sure. either that or we lose his bird rights if it's shorter than 3. one or the other.

the 4 year 72 mil deal wouldn't have a 2nd year player option, it would be an option for the final year

2 year minimum for Early Bird. Could sign him to a one year Non Bird deal at 120% of his current salary.

[HopelessKnick]

Can't we take a couple of our 2mill. contracts, attach a 2nd round pick to them and trade them to a team under the cap to free up 5-6 mill. in space?

The fact that the Knicks backed off on including Deuce in the Bridges trade seems to imply that the FO thinks there are alternative ways of retaining Hartenstein. Otherwise I think they would take Hartenstein over Deuce for sure. Maybe that's what it will come down to in the end...having to give up on Deuce to retain Hartenstein, but hopefully we can keep both.

As long as other teams don't go completely crazy with their offers I think he remains a knick.

[sol537]

Can't we take a couple of our 2mill. contracts, attach a 2nd round pick to them and trade them to a team under the cap to free up 5-6 mill. in space?

The fact that the Knicks backed off on including Deuce in the Bridges trade seems to imply that the FO thinks there are alternative ways of retaining Hartenstein. Otherwise I think they would take Hartenstein over Deuce for sure. Maybe that's what it will come down to in the end...having to give up on Deuce to retain Hartenstein, but hopefully we can keep both.

As long as other teams don't go completely crazy with their offers I think he remains a knick.

Sounds like it's McBride (for a pick or two) or sending Precious out in a S&T that would get us what we need for iHart... If iHart wants to stay, my guess is Precious is gone in a S&T to a 3rd team for nothing or for some 2nd rounders that Leon finds so juicy

[RHODEY]

The league doesn’t seem to value centers any more like the good old days. Fingers crossed the Hartenstein stays.

Brunson and co. Should lock him in a room until he agrees lol

Well we haven't drafted any centers....

[TheGreenArrow]

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[will34]

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This is a problem if it's true. I've always thought he was gone, but starting leaning he'd be back. It's been an awesome off season but losing ihart would be a killer..mitch's health just isn't reliable.

[KnixinSix]

I think we still have a shot and if not we quickly pivot to Goga (hopefully)

[sol537]

Hartenstein… don’t leave

[Richard4444]

Can't we take a couple of our 2mill. contracts, attach a 2nd round pick to them and trade them to a team under the cap to free up 5-6 mill. in space?

The fact that the Knicks backed off on including Deuce in the Bridges trade seems to imply that the FO thinks there are alternative ways of retaining Hartenstein. Otherwise I think they would take Hartenstein over Deuce for sure. Maybe that's what it will come down to in the end...having to give up on Deuce to retain Hartenstein, but hopefully we can keep both.

As long as other teams don't go completely crazy with their offers I think he remains a knick.

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In our math, we anticipate Jeffries and Diakite will be gone. Only Sims is still considered a Knick because he is partially guaranteed.

[KOA]

I'm ok going in a different direction than Hartenstein at these price points.
Jonas, Drummond, Wiseman, Jalen Smith, Precious, and Tillman are all serviceable backups at a much lower price point.

What's troubling is not getting any big bodies out of this draft (Hoki Poki is likely a stash). Hoping to get some good vets in FA.

[G_K_F]

I'm ok going in a different direction than Hartenstein at these price points.
Jonas, Drummond, Wiseman, Jalen Smith, Precious, and Tillman are all serviceable backups at a much lower price point.

What's troubling is not getting any big bodies out of this draft (Hoki Poki is likely a stash). Hoping to get some good vets in FA.

Backups to who? Robinson?

We can’t be a contender and go into the season starting Mitch Rob. Just not happening. Plus he doesn’t fit well with Randle in the front court and doesn’t create anything on offense for himself or others.

We need Hartenstein or a big who can pass well and/or stretch the floor at that position.

[sol537]

If we retain Hartenstein, this offseason will resemble the Heatles off season in terms of long term impact and precision execution. Could get a title or two out of it like they did.

[Richard4444]

I'm ok going in a different direction than Hartenstein at these price points.
Jonas, Drummond, Wiseman, Jalen Smith, Precious, and Tillman are all serviceable backups at a much lower price point.

What's troubling is not getting any big bodies out of this draft (Hoki Poki is likely a stash). Hoping to get some good vets in FA.

If we use the full MLE (between 5,2 up to 12,9M), we will be hard-capped at 178,5M. We already have committed more than 171M. We only be able to offer the TaxMLE (5,2M).

Pursuing IHart, we can use the early Birds Rights and pay him up to 16,2 while hard capped only on 189,5.

[Red Vines]

iHart wasn’t great in the playoffs to be honest. He’s a very good player but he didn’t play like a 20m+ player in the playoffs. OG played like a $35m player his entire time with us. He was great… except for injuries. Hence our W-L record with and without OG. It’s league leading.

Myles Turner cooked Hartenstein and Embiid faked him out of his shoes with ease... Other than the Brown & Tatum the third guy we need to worry about trying to win a championship is Jokic...I just want to try to use our last assets (Randle, Mitch, picks) to upgrade the position.