KAT To The Knicks Part 2

[god shammgod]

Randle rightfully got sht around here for taking dumb shots. He would pass up open looks to take contested step back 3s. Thankfully we don't get to watch that anymore. Now we get to watch a big who goes ice cold in the playoffs then continue to brick open 3s instead of going inside to get some easy buckets. We traded one dummy for another dummy.

I’ll take the dummy that’s the better fit and player thank you.

you'll take whatever they give you and lap it up like a dog. let's be serious.

[stuporman]

Even if it doesn't work(get a title or at least finals appearance) the fact that Rose turned Randle, RJ, IQ from last season's opening game roster and 6 first round picks into KAT, OG and Bridges in under 12 months has to be noted as one of the boldest and impressing displays of dealing we have ever seen not just from a Knicks FO but from just about any FO in recent memory.

and to further your point- before last December I havent watched this team since Mitch was drafted. I'm unbiased and I always hated on Kat. After watch the Knicks last year and Kat in the play-offs only because I have Jaden McDaniel's on my Knick baf team- I'm confident our team is better and Kat isn't the same young Kat that didnt impress me...

Sorry bruh, players don't change, they stay exactly the same as the specific point in time a fan wants to use to pigeonhole them. Remember that simple rule when discussing stuff on the internet.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I just wanna see them play. A few more days until the spotlight goes on. I am not going to sell myself either way on this trade. This is the nature of the business and these new apron rules. We are pretty locked in now just like many other title teams end up. You gotta pay to play.

Brunson/Bridges/OG/KAT is the core right now. Deuce/Hart are also here for the most of this. Hopefully this is enough of a foundation to work with. The roster isn't finished yet either.

I have concerns that it may fall short but, we are making a run at a title for the first time in 25 years. I'm here for it. I think it's amazing how the team was built proot to this trade. I worry they went one move too far here but, KAT has to prove me wrong. He's a talented player though and in his prime now. At least I'm not rooting for losses.

[F N 11]

Remember when they tried to say Kevin Love game was overrated and didn’t play D. Contributed to Cavs championship.

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[F N 11]

Randle rightfully got sht around here for taking dumb shots. He would pass up open looks to take contested step back 3s. Thankfully we don't get to watch that anymore. Now we get to watch a big who goes ice cold in the playoffs then continue to brick open 3s instead of going inside to get some easy buckets. We traded one dummy for another dummy.

I’ll take the dummy that’s the better fit and player thank you.

you'll take whatever they give you and lap it up like a dog. let's be serious.

Cry more

I don’t cry over what I can’t control clown.

[god shammgod]

Remember when they tried to say Kevin Love game was overrated and didn’t play D. Contributed to Cavs championship.

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he was the 3rd option and he didn't play d

[E-Balla]

if i searched all our regular posters history on here i'd find most of them talking sh*t about him in the past. it's not us who's switching up.

From July:

randle has legit played batter than kat the past like 3 years let’s be real

I still am having some battered fan syndrome side effects in not trusting this FO to make the proper decision on that supastah player...a stack of unprotected picks and young players for someone like Lavine, KAT or PG ruins everything they have done so far and I'm not convinced they have the resolve to avoid a move like this. I hope they prove me wrong.

We been on here calling a trade for KAT a horrible outcome for a while now lol. MPH (I'll give him his credit) is one of the few people that always liked the idea of KAT to NY.

EDIT: I'll throw Context in too I know that's his guy lol.

Ooh they mad at this one lmfao. Post histories are public y'all know who you are already.

[Zenzibar]

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Karl-Anthony Towns is the only player in NBA history to average more than 20 points and more than 10 rebounds while shooting above 50% from the floor and above 39% from 3PT-range.

To put his numbers in context against some of his contemporaries, since entering the league in 2015, KAT has:

* Scored more points than Jimmy Butler and Kyrie Irving

* Grabbed more rebounds than LeBron James and Anthony Davis

* Blocked more shots than Joel Embiid or Nikola Jokic

* Posted a higher FG% than Kawhi Leonard or Steph Curry

* Posted a higher 3PT% than Kevin Durant or Bradley Beal

[Context]

Ya'll don't realize how devastating the death-lineup of KAT, OG, Hart, Bridges, Brunson is going to be to finish games.

Boston and Health are our biggest obstacles to a title.

I think Health can be an obstacle- I respect Boston but KP cant last against Kat and no one on our team is afraid of Boston...
I wont deny Health could get us but I'm not going to focus on that and no enjoy my season

[spree8]

Remember when they tried to say Kevin Love game was overrated and didn’t play D. Contributed to Cavs championship.

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he was the 3rd option and he didn't play d

If we can get this out of him in a Game 7 with the title on the line, that’s all we need

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[TerrenceClarke]

Hasn't even worn Knicks uni yet and he's already being hated by so many Knicks fans...the guy never stood a chance to win them over especially considering Knicks lost fan fave Divo in the deal, not even getting Randle out of town in the trade is enough to help him get any love.

His contract was accepted by Minny fans because he's stayed there. They don't mind paying him way more than his worth because he stuck with them all those down years. We don't have a history with him so he's just a player worth $30 mil making $56 mil to us. Then the personality fit with the Knicks just ain't strong we known as the meanest fans in the league lol.

I can understand you not liking the trade from a financial flexibility and player durability risk standpoint. But you gotta admit it’s a stretch to state KAT’s a player worth only $30 per year in salary, in today’s NBA salary landscape. Especially after the new league media rights deal and new CBA.

We’ll now routinely see role players making well north of $30 m’s.

I have not read much of the this thread but I can imagine you all in....

[F N 11]

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Karl-Anthony Towns is the only player in NBA history to average more than 20 points and more than 10 rebounds while shooting above 50% from the floor and above 39% from 3PT-range.

To put his numbers in context against some of his contemporaries, since entering the league in 2015, KAT has:

* Scored more points than Jimmy Butler and Kyrie Irving

* Grabbed more rebounds than LeBron James and Anthony Davis

* Blocked more shots than Joel Embiid or Nikola Jokic

* Posted a higher FG% than Kawhi Leonard or Steph Curry

* Posted a higher 3PT% than Kevin Durant or Bradley Beal

But but Julius Randle is a tough guy let’s ignore all his negative to drive down Towns instead. If that doesn’t work let’s talk about the money he makes. He cost us Donte

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[Context]

new league media rights deal and new CBA.

We’ll now routinely see role players making well north of $30 m’s.

Excellent point I forgot about...The salary cap will increase and we will be in better financial shape than most teams...

[TerrenceClarke]

if i searched all our regular posters history on here i'd find most of them talking sh*t about him in the past. it's not us who's switching up.

From July:

randle has legit played batter than kat the past like 3 years let’s be real

I still am having some battered fan syndrome side effects in not trusting this FO to make the proper decision on that supastah player...a stack of unprotected picks and young players for someone like Lavine, KAT or PG ruins everything they have done so far and I'm not convinced they have the resolve to avoid a move like this. I hope they prove me wrong.

We been on here calling a trade for KAT a horrible outcome for a while now lol. MPH (I'll give him his credit) is one of the few people that always liked the idea of KAT to NY.

EDIT: I'll throw Context in too I know that's his guy lol.

Ooh they mad at this one lmfao. Post histories are public y'all know who you are already.

[3toheadmelo]

I acknowledge the drop in post season scoring from him. But I think he is more reliable in that regard than Randle, who was even worse and at all-time low efficiency. And that’s who we have to directly compare him to cuz that’s who he’s replacing.

And then I view Mikal as an upgrade overall over Donte.

I think the true indicator of our team’s fate will be health, and ultimately what we do with Mitch.

Do we keep Mitch and start him beside KAT if/when he’s healthy? The KAT/Gobert model shows that can be very successful.

Or do we trade Mitch and try to pry away Trey Murphy then attempt to find a cheap rim protecting stop gap big for Mitch’s scaled down role off the bench?

Randle’s offense goes beyond scoring though. Even on one ankle he still had the best offensive rating on the team and a positive net rating in the heat series. His playmaking ability and gravity that draws double teams opens up the game for the rest of the team. Hence why all of our players have a higher EFG% with Randle on the court versus off the court. KAT doesn’t make his team mates better around like Randle did. If he’s not scoring, he isn’t affecting the game. But yes, KAT is a better scorer in the post season, I won’t disagree about that.


We have to follow the Gobert/KAT model. KAT at the 5 has been super unsuccessful defensively. If Mitch ain’t healthy and we can’t trade him for a different rim protector, we are fked imo.

This wrong. KAT's handles and off he bounce game has improved a ton he's nice handling the ball he at least getting 3.5-5 apg in NY with Thibs' system. He's most likely our secondary ball handler just like Jules was.

He’s never averaged more than 2 APG in the post season.

[E-Balla]

Hasn't even worn Knicks uni yet and he's already being hated by so many Knicks fans...the guy never stood a chance to win them over especially considering Knicks lost fan fave Divo in the deal, not even getting Randle out of town in the trade is enough to help him get any love.

His contract was accepted by Minny fans because he's stayed there. They don't mind paying him way more than his worth because he stuck with them all those down years. We don't have a history with him so he's just a player worth $30 mil making $56 mil to us. Then the personality fit with the Knicks just ain't strong we known as the meanest fans in the league lol.

I can understand you not liking the trade from a financial flexibility and player durability risk standpoint. But you gotta admit it’s a stretch to state KAT’s a player worth only $30 per year in salary, in today’s NBA salary landscape. Especially after the new league media rights deal and new CBA.

We’ll now routinely see role players making well north of $30 m’s.

KP just got 2/60. Randle is making $29 mil. Jrue (I got him ranked 43rd and KAT ranked 39th) is making 33.5 mil a year. Draymond (I got him over KAT) is making $25 mil a year. Bane (I have him over KAT) is making 39.5 mil a year. Derrick White is making 29.5 mil a year. AG is up and can get up to 150/4.

The only players outside the top 30 making over 40 mil a year are Sabonis (he's at least not an injury risk - iirc he got OG's contract 5/212), Pascal (4/189 which was an absurd overpay), Gobert ($40 mil per), and Jamal Murray (4/208 but at least he already got them a ring).

So instead of $30 which is a bargain deal let's say $40. It's still well short of $56.

[Zenzibar]

As far as Donte, I'm 100% certain that Rose, WWW and Thibs knew all along that Donte would not be pleased playing 15 minutes or so per game after Mikal's acquisition.

The Minny front office and coaches possibly gave assurances that Donte will start over Conley and compliment Anthony Edwards.

Why would Donte not want to go if he can start again?

[Jalen Bluntson]

my only guy on this forum is Sham...he knows that!

Not my fault E Balls is a clueless liar. No one cooked the Knicks defense in the playoffs. That's RIDICULOUS to suggest. The team fell apart and was coasting on fumes and made it a game away from the ECF. We beat Philly so...where was the cooking? NONE of the defensive players we have were even on the floor much of the Indy series except for Deuce.

Welcome to the wide world of facts.

Actually (Please Use More Appropriate Word) in real life.

You're a wind bag. Blow yourself away. You have been crying like a little girl about things and lying about or over exaggerating things to do so. Insulting everyone on the board. Non stop for two days.

Bye.

[Handledatruth]

That’s like showing Isaac Okoros pre draft highlights pushing the narrative he was gonna be a star

Jokes aside, if you ever watched KAT play you would know he struggles with physical play, especially in the post.

You know damn well I’ve watched KAT play. I watch all NBA teams, not just Knicks games.

KAT has his flaws but shot creation is not one of the things we should be worried about.

Yes his level of physicality and toughness have come in question. But that wasn’t necessarily the topic that I was responding to. Jim asked about his shot creating ability.

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I’m not too sold on his shot creation. His scoring is always down in the post season. Only averages 18 PPG. That year with butler he averaged 15 PPG.

He doesn't really have a handle. Especially to his left, but he's got good footwork and touch in the paint. Combined with the catch and shoot at his %s, I think 18ppg or more will be fine from him.