PG: That Sucked

[Clyde_Style]

I was trashing Mitch back in the Nerlens days while it was still underground! I innovated shittuing on that guy!

I think we had dropped our debut albums around the same time, my "Rim runners and the playoffs" album went diamond.


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I came around on KAT sometime last year, but I've always been making anti-Mitch music.

Pouring one out for bearadonisdna he was like our “takeoff”

His avatar was so disturbing

[Clyde_Style]

I said we should trade Randle for KAT last year, sorry pal, but I was ahead of the game there.

No no no no no you wanted Porzingis back who got injured in the playoffs as always and didn’t want to play here and possibly SA’d some woman on the way out of town last time. I have been banging the drum for towns for years!

I wanted Kristaps, and I was right about him. I wanted KAT after doing some soul searching and realizing I didn't want to watch Mitch play center anymore, that's when I came around on the idea of KAT, and I called the OG trade a few times.

Nodopestradamus

We were always going to target KAT, that much I knew for some time, but to think we added KAT, OG and Mikal in less than a year, now that's some crazy stuff. Would not have believed any of that a year ago.

[Capn'O]

When KAT plays the offense is good enough that we can beat most teams. When he's out, it highlights that our defense ain't **** yet, with or without him.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

They got 2 All NBA defenders in the backcourt, an excellent wing defender in Brown and they have elite rim protection and they still are an average defensive team. Still can’t stop teams from dropping 120. What’s that tell you? That it doesn’t matter. They got elite guard defense. We got Brunson. They got Horford and KP protecting the paint we got KAT. And they are still 13th in the league in 3 pointers given up. Sorry but Thibs is not turning Brunson into an elite defender nor is he turning KAT into an elite defender. Bridges doesn’t have the rep of a bad defender but he certainly should because he’s basura. So we got 3 bad defenders, Boston has 3 or even 4 elite defenders and they are still middle of the pack defensively.

You aren’t fixing the defense with scheme, if you want it to improve the individuals have to improve themselves or you might need actual better defenders. Our guards or I should say Brunson, can’t guard a guard so he has to hide somewhere on a lesser scoring threat and him being so small he can’t contest even when he tries but he’s also very slow in his reactions and recovery so that just complicates things even more. Not having rim protector doesn’t help because now we can’t really depend on that help when we do give up the drive and we give up the drive frequently even in drop coverage but especially in iso. I don’t have high hopes for the defense but the offense can’t be cold and make careless turnovers and miss free throws. That’s where you are just shooting your self in the foot. Lack of ball handling and shot creation doesn’t help. Tonight they didn’t even need KAT to win. Even Cam Payne would have helped with more ball handling and ability to shift the defense around and launch off the dribble.

The Celtics are 10th defensively, that was with Horford starting, they were 3rd last season. They are a defending champ, they aren't going to blow their load in the regular season, that's what it tells me, and even then, they're still top 10. We have been a top 5 defense one time in the 5 years Tom has been here, and the last 3 years we've been 10th, 19th, 17th. As the threes have been flying his defense has been breaking.

Scheme can help, stop playing in a drop if you don't have the big man to play in a drop We play almost every team the same, it's why we came out in a drop against the Jazz, Hawks, Celtics etc, because we do the same thing against almost everyone, it's boilerplate coaching that doesn't adjust to who we're playing against. You're not about to sell me on the idea our perimeter defenders aren't good enough, sorry but OG and Hart on their own are better than most teams wings, and even with Mikal struggling he's better than the majority of players on defense. Trying to pass this blame off to them and not the coach is wild, first it was KAT that was the target but our defense has sucked while he's out, now it's the wings. How about all the minutes these wings play? They're all in the top 10, but that plays no part in their defense slipping in the 4th?

Tom is not going to lead us to a title, it's pretty obvious by his lack of adjustments. I don't know why people keep defending him.

They are like 13th and couldn’t play any better defense against this same Pistons team than us despite their elite defenders. They can turn it up most likely but they have that luxury yet will still have to prove it this season. So far, they aren’t living up to it. You also can’t put the same expectations on us since our group is still new and their core has been together for years.

You still haven’t fixed the defense you just changed it. Putting lipstick on a pig. You don’t have a big that can drop but he also can’t switch and guard the perimeter. The same big that has struggled with foul trouble for years is going to be defending Cade Cunningham in isolation instead of Jalen Duren. Yeah real smart there, let’s get KAT in foul trouble and give up layups in the process.

Hart and Mikal aren’t elite or even good defenders. You can say Hart is solid but Mikal is terrible. They aren’t better than most teams wings, that’s just the homer in you talking.

Now name me one elite defender that we’ve had over the years before OG arrived? You expecting elite defense from a team that lacks elite defenders? What team has an elite defensive team with a small PG who can’t play defense? You want a switching defense but ignoring the fact that our PG has to be hidden on that end game in game out. Oh but you also don’t want a rim protector because well then that spoils the offense spacing and we can’t beat Boston that way. But you want an elite defensive team basically OG just covering for everybody

The Celtics are playing to get to the playoffs healthy, they have nothing to prove this regular season. We know they can turn it up against teams when they want, because they've done it, they're going to coast to the playoffs, and they are 10th defensively and 3rd in net rating. Their "meh" is still a top 10 defensive team.


No, KAT rates out better on switches than he does in rim protection, so do that. It makes no sense at all to lean into the worst aspect of a player's profile, which is exactly what Tom does. You can call it homer, the stats say Mikal isn't as bad as you're trying to make him seem and it's amazing that his worst defensive season would come with Tom, not his fault though. You're putting down players to prop up Tom for some reason, which makes no sense to me because he's effectively in charge of what they do on defense.



We had IHart, OG and Hart on the team last year, we were 13th in DRTG from the point Randle got hurt with the same exact defensive problems even though Ihart graded out as an elite rim protector. We were giving up threes, sinking down to protect the paint and couldn't stop teams that took a high volume of threes. Our defensive rating in the playoffs was 120.6 which was 2nd to last. How are we getting better perimeter defenders, with an elite rim protector and our defense is getting worse? So Reggie Bullock and Rj are better defenders than Hart and OG? Because that's when we had our best defensive team under Tom, back when teams took under 30 threes a game. Or is the league changing and the scheme hasn't changed to defend against a three point happy league. The playoffs saw an elite rim protector paired with an elite perimeter defender, and our defense sucked, that is the coach.

[ctuk]

Thibs gets me heated with this **** not gonna lie lol

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[oldshoolballer]

Thibs mismanagement of players minutes strikes again. Only a matter of time before the injuries start piling up. It's honestly one of the dumbest things I've ever seen in pro sports.

[Clyde_Style]

they invited knicks legends to have them witness this atrocity

they gotta be ashamed of themselves; no pride at all

They dragged Jerry Lucas from his farmhouse in Ohio far, far away from the internets that carry Knicks broadcasts all the way to MSG to gouge out his eyeballs with this performance.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Thibs mismanagement of players minutes strikes again. Only a matter of time before the injuries start piling up. It's honestly one of the dumbest things I've ever seen in pro sports.

We have 2 players in the top 5, 3 in the top 10









People still defend this as though we're the only team dealing with injuries and like we didn't completely fall apart last season.

[Clyde_Style]

Thibs mismanagement of players minutes strikes again. Only a matter of time before the injuries start piling up. It's honestly one of the dumbest things I've ever seen in pro sports.

We have 2 players in the top 5, 3 in the top 10









People still defend this as though we're the only team dealing with injuries and like we didn't completely fall apart last season.

We ended the playoffs with Josh Hart using the approved medical procedure called "Place Hand Over Wound" to prevent his entrails from spilling on to the court.

[The KnicksFix]

Nuggets lost to the Wizards and gave up 122 points

The Wizards! But y’all telling me coaches are out there coaching defense and better than Thibs. Jokic with a 56 point near triple double and they still lost

The Wizards!

The nuggets didn’t enter the season with two of the best wing defenders in the game, and still can’t stop a damn nose bleed from 3. Thibs doesn’t adjust and we cant guard the perimeter 3. We go down by double digits consistently because teams know to target us from 3. That’s evident.

Well neither did we. But if you need elite wing defense to stop Justin Champagne from going off then what kind of better coach are you?

Yea I’m saying he’s no better than them lol

[spree2kawhi]

We should have traded for Donovan Mitchell. Now the cavs are 21-3 far and away the best team in the nba. Discuss

Mitchell, Brunson, Randle would’ve been our version of the Miami big 3!

That team doesn’t win 50 games

[Parraknick]

they invited knicks legends to have them witness this atrocity

they gotta be ashamed of themselves; no pride at all

They dragged Jerry Lucas from his farmhouse in Ohio far, far away from the internets that carry Knicks broadcasts all the way to MSG to gouge out his eyeballs with this performance.

Great post, I was laughing at the time of the interview

[knicks94]

Double post!

[rajajackal]

this hsit was whack,. so dumb. i am so glad i drank trough this

[The KnicksFix]

The team has no answer for defending the 3. Meanwhile this is the era of THREE POINT SHOOTING.
How many games does Thibs need to fix this? The guy is a bum, and would rather have the team keep doing the same thing “until it works”. We will never win a thing with this guy.

Dood continues to start Sims in Kat’s absence. Play precious and Huk, Sims should not be playing even 6 minutes in any game period.

[GettinitDone]

Thibs mismanagement of players minutes strikes again. Only a matter of time before the injuries start piling up. It's honestly one of the dumbest things I've ever seen in pro sports.

It's just laziness for doing an aspect you dislike of the job you love... I'm going to keep likening this to a chef who passionately loves cooking but passionately hates cleaning his own station. A dirty and messy station for 1 day would not affect the quality of foods served to customers. But days, weeks and months pass by with station very rarely ever cleaned, maybe once a month, eventually the dirtiness and mess compound and catch up with the professionalism, the work approach, of the chef himself and the other kitchen and floor staff who note this. But the restaurant owner, the other junior chefs and staff keep defending the chef and the foods (although they also note the foods seem rushed and worse from quality of years past) because he's one of the best chefs, and most brilliant minds in gastronomy, and keep sweeping the hygiene problem under the rug. One day, contamination occurs, staff who eat staff meal and customers who eat at the restaurant are hospitalized for a severe case of food poisoning. But that's not the worst as health inspector comes in for a surprise inspection a week later, and the restaurant is forced to shut down and break up the team, and the chef and everyone else lose their jobs.

Thibs passionately loves coaching, but passionately hates roster management or substitution. I can't think of any other reason, because this man is really deemed as one of the most brilliant bball minds ever, and he can't understand fatigue, positive contribution from bench, young players? I find it hard to believe. Like the chef who MUST understand the benefits of cleaning his station, but never does it anyway becauseee...?? He just HATES doing it/ aka laziness when confronted with having to do a chore you hate to do, e.g. washing dishes or throwing out rubbish.

To this day, I really believe Thibs was THE REASON D-Rose suffered the torn ACL (shouldn't have been in the game), and therefore his whole career tanked. The D-Rose situation was basically the chef with a severely bad habit that goes unchecked for years until it catches up and the restaurant is forced to close down. So what does the chef do? Learn from it and start cleaning his station? Nope. He goes to next restaurants that are happy to employ him because he's "one of the best chefs in the nation", but keeps doing the same bad habit, carelessly risks the next restaurants he works for being shut down, again and again.

One of the most brilliant minds yet no conscience to learn from a colossal mistake in the D-Rose injury. I find it mind-boggling people keep sweeping it under the rug, noone including D-Rose himself seems to fault Thibs for the D-Rose injury... I don't mean to say we should blame people, but this case was and exception because it's very obvious and the real problem is he keeps doing it to other players... I'm speechless really... !!

If I was James Dolan I'd have intervened and warned Thibs, and if he keeps doing it fired him immediately, even if it means risking losing Leon.

You can't keep risking injuring players... yes you wanna win a championship but not at THAT COST. Even that he's been allowed to do what he does, play players 40+mins the result has not been pretty/ desired, he's not talked about as one of the best coaches anymore (Lue, Kerr, Spo, Mazulla, even Daignault and Finch are mentioned ahead of him) and we're not talked about as truly truly legitimate championship contenders, only a "maybe" (losses to Jazz, Mavs, Pistons, and fans keep talking "he's not it" reaffirm this).

[knicks94]

The team has no answer for defending the 3. Meanwhile this is the era of THREE POINT SHOOTING.
How many games does Thibs need to fix this? The guy is a bum, and would rather have the team keep doing the same thing “until it works”. We will never win a thing with this guy.

Dood continues to start Sims in Kat’s absence. Play precious and Huk, Sims should not be playing even 6 minutes in any game period.

Thibs' style of coaching is what helps him to stay employed. Unfortunately it is not a style of coaching that wins championships.

[seren]

The risk to injury is one thing but lack of trying something different is a bigger issue to me. Starters were terrible so why not try something different? Give your younger players a chance. Mix and match a little.

[knicks94]

The 2024-25 NY Knicks mission statement: Lose to every scrub team in the league at least once.

Nets:
Pacers:✅
Bulls:✅
Pistons:✅
Raptors:
Sixers:
Hornets:
Wizards:
Trail Blazers:
Jazz:✅
Pelicans:

4 teams down 7 to go!

[ctorres]

Brunson(32)/Deuce(16)
Mikal(32)/Deuce(16)
Hart(38)/Pac(10)
OG(32)/Precious(16)
KAT(32)/Precious(16)

It's not rocket science. That's an 8 man rotation and no one plays more than 32 minutes except Hart at 38. Thibs is a moron,

Deuce is a wing in Thibs' eyes. All the minutes Deuce got tonight were alongside Brunson, not backing him up. Maybe Deuce got a few seconds at the point tonight, but not even a full minute. Deuce is gonna get his 26+ minutes backing up Mikal, Hart, and OG.

We need Payne back cause it seems like him and Brunson are the only two that Thibs can trust as a primary ball handler for an extended period of time.

Also, did Sims anger Thibs tonight? To completely give up on him after those 6 minutes of play is unusual.