Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Cont'd

[symbiotic]

That plus OG Anunoby might get it done. OG Anunoby & Mikal Bridges = Hell No.

[Iron Mantis]

Bojan Bogdanovic????????????????

[ctorres]

do we even have 4 unprotected picks to trade?

honestly, just waiting to see how OKC performs and whether they win the championship. They have so many picks that they could trade for Giannis without giving up SGA, Chet, or Jalen Williams

[K_ick_God]

what

[K_ick_God]

do we even have 4 unprotected picks to trade?

honestly, just waiting to see how OKC performs and whether they win the championship. They have so many picks that they could trade for Giannis without giving up SGA, Chet, or Jalen Williams

We have zero

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/tradeable

[Luv those Knicks]

do we even have 4 unprotected picks to trade?

honestly, just waiting to see how OKC performs and whether they win the championship. They have so many picks that they could trade for Giannis without giving up SGA, Chet, or Jalen Williams

We have zero

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/tradeable

They have the Wiz pick, which, unless the Wiz suddenly start winning more games, will turn into a 2nd rounder. But yeah, that's it.

[Context]

The knicks have a bigger coaching problem than a "player" problem. Some of you ever heard the term putting a person in a position to fail or succeed?

[TKKnicks1]

Fire Thibs. Hire J Bryant.

Trade 1 - Mikal, Mitch and Deuce for Devin Booker

Trade 2 - KAT and Hart for Giannis and Kuzma

Huka
Giannis
OG
Booker
Brunson

Sign some free agents for the bench to play with Kuzma, Kolek and Dadiet.

[spree2kawhi]

Warning - this is a hindsight what if.

random thought... how does this team look if they traded for butler instead of bridges? and then maybe mitch/deuce/precious?/filler for sexton and kessler. Not sure how the salary could have worked in either trades (or maybe it's one big 3-4 team deal?) so maybe not realistic to keep everyone I think. Butler's cost was prob a lot higher in the offseason also and knicks didn't want to "wait".

Brunson
Butler
OG
Randle
Kessler

Divo
Sexton
Hart?
Vet big or Huk

I've been a butler hater but hard to deny how much he impacts a team outside of his own counting stats, especially in the playoffs. that team has 3 advantage creators in brunson, butler and randle - and can let brunson play more off ball. kessler gives thibs the rim defense he needs and your only bad defender is Brunson (randle has played good defense this year especially the playoffs). Team is also huge 2-5

Not sure if those trades are possible without giving up Divo/Hart - though I would be fine including hart in the butler trade. Would then need to fill out the roster a bit especially a backup C if Mitch was traded.

But i think that team could have competed with the best teams this year.

This is like me saying what if, in hindsight, we had this team:

Kessler / Towns
Towns / OG / Achiuwa
OG / Hart /Bridges
Bridges / Hart / Sexton
Brunson / Sexton

Also don’t forget that Butler just went 2/10 with 8 points in the loss and averaged 30.8 3P% over the entire season. He was never available and Miami projected to be a much better team when we made the trade for Bridges. I’ve mentioned before that Butler makes twice the salary Bridges makes, and this is just not what we should be doing. Bridges has been solid. I get it, 5 picks and all, but he’s been covering for all our players defensively this postseason and we should simply roll with him now instead of this nonsense.

Look, literally in their respective last games…

Herro went 1-10,
KCP 2-9,
Derrick White 2-6,
Jimmy Butler 2-10,
McDaniels 2-4,
DDV 3-13,
NAW 3-11,
Jalen Green 3-8,
and Podziemski 3-7 …

… from the field to name just some somewhat comparable names in this context.

They’re all really nice players, no doubt, but my point is you guys bring them up to bash our guy and cry when they have good games and compare that to his bad ones. It’s always an uphill battle, and I know we gave up all those picks, but I’m here to tell you their grass isn’t always greener and Butler makes 48 million compared to Bridge’s 24. It’s apples and oranges and it was never a thing in the first place.

[HopelessKnick]

Warning - this is a hindsight what if.

random thought... how does this team look if they traded for butler instead of bridges? and then maybe mitch/deuce/precious?/filler for sexton and kessler. Not sure how the salary could have worked in either trades (or maybe it's one big 3-4 team deal?) so maybe not realistic to keep everyone I think. Butler's cost was prob a lot higher in the offseason also and knicks didn't want to "wait".

Brunson
Butler
OG
Randle
Kessler

Divo
Sexton
Hart?
Vet big or Huk

I've been a butler hater but hard to deny how much he impacts a team outside of his own counting stats, especially in the playoffs. that team has 3 advantage creators in brunson, butler and randle - and can let brunson play more off ball. kessler gives thibs the rim defense he needs and your only bad defender is Brunson (randle has played good defense this year especially the playoffs). Team is also huge 2-5

Not sure if those trades are possible without giving up Divo/Hart - though I would be fine including hart in the butler trade. Would then need to fill out the roster a bit especially a backup C if Mitch was traded.

But i think that team could have competed with the best teams this year.

This is like me saying what if, in hindsight, we had this team:

Kessler / Towns
Towns / OG / Achiuwa
OG / Hart /Bridges
Bridges / Hart / Sexton
Brunson / Sexton

Also don’t forget that Butler just went 2/10 with 8 points in the loss and averaged 30.8 3P% over the entire season. He was never available and Miami projected to be a much better team when we made the trade for Bridges. I’ve mentioned before that Butler makes twice the salary Bridges makes, and this is just not what we should be doing. Bridges has been solid. I get it, 5 picks and all, but he’s been covering for all our players defensively this postseason and we should simply roll with him now instead of this nonsense.

Look, literally in their respective last games…

Herro went 1-10,
KCP 2-9,
Derrick White 2-6,
Jimmy Butler 2-10,
McDaniels 2-4,
DDV 3-13,
NAW 3-11,
Jalen Green 3-8,
and Podziemski 3-7 …

… from the field to name just some somewhat comparable names in this context.

They’re all really nice players, no doubt, but my point is you guys bring them up to bash our guy and cry when they have good games and compare that to his bad ones. It’s always an uphill battle, and I know we gave up all those picks, but I’m here to tell you their grass isn’t always greener and Butler makes 48 million compared to Bridge’s 24. It’s apples and oranges and it was never a thing in the first place.

See Spree, all your points being fair and rational but I think one thing that really irks people (next to giving up that completely insane price for Bridges) is that he projects close to zero toughness. I personally will say that I think his defense is usually solid and has been a bit overcriticized throughout the season but how do you explain him never drawing ANY contact whatsoever. When a lane opens and he is about to take off and go for a dunk or layup and some defender shows up, he stops and takes a fade away midrange or passes it off. It is highly irritating to me. Like he avoids any physiciality whatsoever. Whenever Cade has him in a one-on-one situation he goes immediately into the post and creates a good shot for himself. This is a guy that at some point during the season shot like 8 Free throws in an entire MONTH. It is the opposite from what you want to see. And then you have all the problems with his shot. He essentially can't make any 3pointer other than corner threes. He project no toughness, no grit ...just nothing.

That to me is the biggest difference to those players you listed. They will play with a lot of grit, toughness, intangibles. Everyone in the NBA has off shooting nights--even Curry-- but it is many other things you do on the court. He is supposed to be a wingstop but watch closely how opposing star players play him. They truly relish whenever he gets switched on them. They love playing him one on one. Ask Cade, ask Tatum etc.

The trade has been an unmitigated desaster. And due to the historic, insane price the FO paid, it will be difficult to not extend him or even trade him for better fitting pieces. Bridges holds all the leverage here and trading him in the offseason is going to make the FO look like complete idiots so in all likelihood we are stuck with his soft play here. I'm already hearing that the Knicks may look at trading Mitch and/or OG in the offseason if they decide they need a major roster shake-up. I REALLY REALLY hope this is just bs rumors. If they trade OG I would stop any support for the FO and Leon. He had a historically bad offseason---probably one of the worst of the past decade but he has earned the right to right this ship---starting with an immediate firing of Thibs. An OG trade would be only to save their own face but desastrous for the team. And Mitch alone won't garner a big haul and we have no picks so we are boxed in a corner.

[spree2kawhi]

Warning - this is a hindsight what if.

random thought... how does this team look if they traded for butler instead of bridges? and then maybe mitch/deuce/precious?/filler for sexton and kessler. Not sure how the salary could have worked in either trades (or maybe it's one big 3-4 team deal?) so maybe not realistic to keep everyone I think. Butler's cost was prob a lot higher in the offseason also and knicks didn't want to "wait".

Brunson
Butler
OG
Randle
Kessler

Divo
Sexton
Hart?
Vet big or Huk

I've been a butler hater but hard to deny how much he impacts a team outside of his own counting stats, especially in the playoffs. that team has 3 advantage creators in brunson, butler and randle - and can let brunson play more off ball. kessler gives thibs the rim defense he needs and your only bad defender is Brunson (randle has played good defense this year especially the playoffs). Team is also huge 2-5

Not sure if those trades are possible without giving up Divo/Hart - though I would be fine including hart in the butler trade. Would then need to fill out the roster a bit especially a backup C if Mitch was traded.

But i think that team could have competed with the best teams this year.

This is like me saying what if, in hindsight, we had this team:

Kessler / Towns
Towns / OG / Achiuwa
OG / Hart /Bridges
Bridges / Hart / Sexton
Brunson / Sexton

Also don’t forget that Butler just went 2/10 with 8 points in the loss and averaged 30.8 3P% over the entire season. He was never available and Miami projected to be a much better team when we made the trade for Bridges. I’ve mentioned before that Butler makes twice the salary Bridges makes, and this is just not what we should be doing. Bridges has been solid. I get it, 5 picks and all, but he’s been covering for all our players defensively this postseason and we should simply roll with him now instead of this nonsense.

Look, literally in their respective last games…

Herro went 1-10,
KCP 2-9,
Derrick White 2-6,
Jimmy Butler 2-10,
McDaniels 2-4,
DDV 3-13,
NAW 3-11,
Jalen Green 3-8,
and Podziemski 3-7 …

… from the field to name just some somewhat comparable names in this context.

They’re all really nice players, no doubt, but my point is you guys bring them up to bash our guy and cry when they have good games and compare that to his bad ones. It’s always an uphill battle, and I know we gave up all those picks, but I’m here to tell you their grass isn’t always greener and Butler makes 48 million compared to Bridge’s 24. It’s apples and oranges and it was never a thing in the first place.

See Spree, all your points being fair and rational but I think one thing that really irks people (next to giving up that completely insane price for Bridges) is that he projects close to zero toughness. I personally will say that I think his defense is usually solid and has been a bit overcriticized throughout the season but how do you explain him never drawing ANY contact whatsoever. When a lane opens and he is about to take off and go for a dunk or layup and some defender shows up, he stops and takes a fade away midrange or passes it off. It is highly irritating to me. Like he avoids any physiciality whatsoever. Whenever Cade has him in a one-on-one situation he goes immediately into the post and creates a good shot for himself. This is a guy that at some point during the season shot like 8 Free throws in an entire MONTH. It is the opposite from what you want to see. And then you have all the problems with his shot. He essentially can't make any 3pointer other than corner threes. He project no toughness, no grit ...just nothing.

That to me is the biggest difference to those players you listed. They will play with a lot of grit, toughness, intangibles. Everyone in the NBA has off shooting nights--even Curry-- but it is many other things you do on the court. He is supposed to be a wingstop but watch closely how opposing star players play him. They truly relish whenever he gets switched on them. They love playing him one on one. Ask Cade, ask Tatum etc.

The trade has been an unmitigated desaster. And due to the historic, insane price the FO paid, it will be difficult to not extend him or even trade him for better fitting pieces. Bridges holds all the leverage here and trading him in the offseason is going to make the FO look like complete idiots so in all likelihood we are stuck with his soft play here. I'm already hearing that the Knicks may look at trading Mitch and/or OG in the offseason if they decide they need a major roster shake-up. I REALLY REALLY hope this is just bs rumors. If they trade OG I would stop any support for the FO and Leon. He had a historically bad offseason---probably one of the worst of the past decade but he has earned the right to right this ship---starting with an immediate firing of Thibs. An OG trade would be only to save their own face but desastrous for the team. And Mitch alone won't garner a big haul and we have no picks so we are boxed in a corner.

You’re right as far as physicality is concerned and I have eyes too, but… … he is who he is: not heavy, not Steph Curry from deep, but his strengths are still outstanding, the defensive ability, long arms, help defense, motor, mid-range game , slashing, smart player, never gets into trouble etc. That’s not a disastrous skill set.

If he brought everything else you criticize him for, like a more physical build and playing style with even better outside shooting, we’re talking about Kawhi Leonard all of a sudden. No butler also doesn’t provide all that, and again he is better than bridges, but paid twice as much. He is a role player and those intangibles at that type of level have a price too. I’m content with that and I think it’s a level-headed view.

As for OG. He’s certainly more physical and the better player overall, but I want both. Plus, OG will disappear too, and get a pass. OG is untouchable in my book, to be very clear, and Bridges isn’t.

Look, ultimately, I get the criticism, but I’m looking at the positives. Currently, I’m not surprised when he misses the shot, I’m relieved when he makes it. But to be fair, it was the same with Randle for years, and at least Bridges plays under control all the time. He’ll step it up, too. I’m rooting for him.

[R-DAWG]

KAT + Bridges for Giannis + Portis Jr.

Who says no?

How about this 3 team trade as a baseline:

NY: Giannis and KCP along with Pick #26 from Orlando
Orlando: Bridges
Milwaukee: KAT, Pick #16 (via Orlando) and a 2026 first from Orlando (2nd best of Orl/Phx/Was)

Depending on what PHX can get for Durant in a separate trade, I could see KAT being re-routed to PHX with the stuff they get for Durant going back to Mil. With this logic, I can see MIL having a gap year next year, ending up with a likely lotto pick (lessor of MIL/NO), and entering the summer of 2026 with only Lillard and the young pieces they get back from Giannis on the roster.

[R-DAWG]

Bridges might be entering Bobby Bonilla territory for Knicks fans given the price they paid to acquire him vs the kind of player he is.

The Knicks thought they were getting a poor man’s Jaylen Brown and ended up with a rich man’s KCP

[kNicksGmen]

Warning - this is a hindsight what if.

random thought... how does this team look if they traded for butler instead of bridges? and then maybe mitch/deuce/precious?/filler for sexton and kessler. Not sure how the salary could have worked in either trades (or maybe it's one big 3-4 team deal?) so maybe not realistic to keep everyone I think. Butler's cost was prob a lot higher in the offseason also and knicks didn't want to "wait".

Brunson
Butler
OG
Randle
Kessler

Divo
Sexton
Hart?
Vet big or Huk

I've been a butler hater but hard to deny how much he impacts a team outside of his own counting stats, especially in the playoffs. that team has 3 advantage creators in brunson, butler and randle - and can let brunson play more off ball. kessler gives thibs the rim defense he needs and your only bad defender is Brunson (randle has played good defense this year especially the playoffs). Team is also huge 2-5

Not sure if those trades are possible without giving up Divo/Hart - though I would be fine including hart in the butler trade. Would then need to fill out the roster a bit especially a backup C if Mitch was traded.

But i think that team could have competed with the best teams this year.

This is like me saying what if, in hindsight, we had this team:

Kessler / Towns
Towns / OG / Achiuwa
OG / Hart /Bridges
Bridges / Hart / Sexton
Brunson / Sexton

Also don’t forget that Butler just went 2/10 with 8 points in the loss and averaged 30.8 3P% over the entire season. He was never available and Miami projected to be a much better team when we made the trade for Bridges. I’ve mentioned before that Butler makes twice the salary Bridges makes, and this is just not what we should be doing. Bridges has been solid. I get it, 5 picks and all, but he’s been covering for all our players defensively this postseason and we should simply roll with him now instead of this nonsense.

Look, literally in their respective last games…

Herro went 1-10,
KCP 2-9,
Derrick White 2-6,
Jimmy Butler 2-10,
McDaniels 2-4,
DDV 3-13,
NAW 3-11,
Jalen Green 3-8,
and Podziemski 3-7 …

… from the field to name just some somewhat comparable names in this context.

They’re all really nice players, no doubt, but my point is you guys bring them up to bash our guy and cry when they have good games and compare that to his bad ones. It’s always an uphill battle, and I know we gave up all those picks, but I’m here to tell you their grass isn’t always greener and Butler makes 48 million compared to Bridge’s 24. It’s apples and oranges and it was never a thing in the first place.

The thought experiment wasn't intended to crap on Bridges as much as a realization of how good Butler is and how cheap the warriors got him. Obviously hindsight and timing wouldn't have worked the same for the knicks. It's also just a feeling of butler's skill set is something the knicks desperately need.

[spree2kawhi]

Warning - this is a hindsight what if.

random thought... how does this team look if they traded for butler instead of bridges? and then maybe mitch/deuce/precious?/filler for sexton and kessler. Not sure how the salary could have worked in either trades (or maybe it's one big 3-4 team deal?) so maybe not realistic to keep everyone I think. Butler's cost was prob a lot higher in the offseason also and knicks didn't want to "wait".

Brunson
Butler
OG
Randle
Kessler

Divo
Sexton
Hart?
Vet big or Huk

I've been a butler hater but hard to deny how much he impacts a team outside of his own counting stats, especially in the playoffs. that team has 3 advantage creators in brunson, butler and randle - and can let brunson play more off ball. kessler gives thibs the rim defense he needs and your only bad defender is Brunson (randle has played good defense this year especially the playoffs). Team is also huge 2-5

Not sure if those trades are possible without giving up Divo/Hart - though I would be fine including hart in the butler trade. Would then need to fill out the roster a bit especially a backup C if Mitch was traded.

But i think that team could have competed with the best teams this year.

This is like me saying what if, in hindsight, we had this team:

Kessler / Towns
Towns / OG / Achiuwa
OG / Hart /Bridges
Bridges / Hart / Sexton
Brunson / Sexton

Also don’t forget that Butler just went 2/10 with 8 points in the loss and averaged 30.8 3P% over the entire season. He was never available and Miami projected to be a much better team when we made the trade for Bridges. I’ve mentioned before that Butler makes twice the salary Bridges makes, and this is just not what we should be doing. Bridges has been solid. I get it, 5 picks and all, but he’s been covering for all our players defensively this postseason and we should simply roll with him now instead of this nonsense.

Look, literally in their respective last games…

Herro went 1-10,
KCP 2-9,
Derrick White 2-6,
Jimmy Butler 2-10,
McDaniels 2-4,
DDV 3-13,
NAW 3-11,
Jalen Green 3-8,
and Podziemski 3-7 …

… from the field to name just some somewhat comparable names in this context.

They’re all really nice players, no doubt, but my point is you guys bring them up to bash our guy and cry when they have good games and compare that to his bad ones. It’s always an uphill battle, and I know we gave up all those picks, but I’m here to tell you their grass isn’t always greener and Butler makes 48 million compared to Bridge’s 24. It’s apples and oranges and it was never a thing in the first place.

The thought experiment wasn't intended to crap on Bridges as much as a realization of how good Butler is and how cheap the warriors got him. Obviously hindsight and timing wouldn't have worked the same for the knicks. It's also just a feeling of butler's skill set is something the knicks desperately need.

He is one of a kind and Bridges doesn’t have that. I agree.

[spree2kawhi]

do we even have 4 unprotected picks to trade?

honestly, just waiting to see how OKC performs and whether they win the championship. They have so many picks that they could trade for Giannis without giving up SGA, Chet, or Jalen Williams

They’ll get him if he agrees and if they agree to trade Holmgren, don’t you think? I wouldn’t hesitate if I was them.

But I do think it’s more likely they’ll convince Durant and he’ll bite in order to alter his suspect legacy.

[ctorres]

do we even have 4 unprotected picks to trade?

honestly, just waiting to see how OKC performs and whether they win the championship. They have so many picks that they could trade for Giannis without giving up SGA, Chet, or Jalen Williams

They’ll get him if he agrees and if they agree to trade Holmgren, don’t you think? I wouldn’t hesitate if I was them.

But I do think it’s more likely they’ll convince Durant and he’ll bite in order to alter his suspect legacy.

I think it would be Hartenstein, Dort, and a pick haul for Giannis

Giannis makes $49 million

Hartenstein makes $30 million and Dort makes $17 million. One of the two has to be included in the deal to make the salaries work. If Hartenstein is not included, then I'd see Dort, Holmgren, and some other contracts.

It seems like the most picks OKC can send out in a trade is 6 1st round picks along with two swaps. I thought they had more picks but I guess not.

Same with Brooklyn, they can send out 6 1st round picks along with two swaps for GIannis. It seems Brooklyn would also need to include Nic Claxton and Cam Johnson to make the salaries work. I thought Brooklyn could just absorb Giannis with cap room. Maybe they can, but it's not up to date on Spotrac, I don't know.

I didn't realize the Spurs had the most attractive package. They can send 8 1st round picks and have contracts to match Giannis. I think we see Giannis and Wemby team up.

[sol537]

Bucks would need one of Chet or Williams along with a boat load of picks for Giannis.

Spurs have a great package of ROY Castle, Vassel, Barnes, and picks. If I were the Spurs, I would give this heavy consideration because Wemby, Giannis, and Fox can get you at least one title IMO.

Our offer would be something like KAT + Mikal for Giannis + Portis. Maybe we toss in Deuce.

It all depends on what MIL is looking for and where Giannis really wants to go. I think MIL will send him to his preferred destination.

[RHODEY]

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[WargamesX]

I just want to say this again I really like Yabasule for the Knicks as a PF. His advance stats are good, the Knicks can give him guaranteed money or maybe even S&T Precious and some second rounders for him because I don’t think Philly can keep him at all if they plan to pay Grimes. They can go up maybe 1 year but offering him a multi year deal would kill their books.

He works next to KAT and Mitch who should be sharing minutes at the 5 next year.