PG: Knicks gored by Bulls

[NowWHYcee7]

I'm telling you all, Mike Brown is Fizdale 2.0. Complete and total disaster.

[RHODEY]

Im not gonna blame Mike Brown for this one

After every loss thus far, he has spoken very clearly on what happens in the game

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I feel like there has to be something going on psychologically/internally within the team IMO that has nothing to do with the coaching

It might sound corny and i have said this many times before.

Our previous teams were completely ran on chemistry and sheer will, especially before we made KAT trade. And right now, this teams has legit 0 chemistry on the court at least.

thats why i always said, dont mess with what we have. Thats why i wasnt a fan of firing thibs. There were not better coaching options, than what we had and it was working. we were 1 win off the finals. but everybody wanted the X and Os guy that ignites our offense, the new hip and modern advanced coach.

BUT the more i watch, the more i see that our players are most definitley not made for playing fast every play. KAT cant run, Brunson is naturally a "slow" player, Mitch is not that much of a rim runner, Hart is an instant turnover when he pushes ahead.
Mikal can play fast, deuce can play fast but i dont see anybody else fitting that playstyle. And now you gotta consider do i enforce the playstyle or do i adept and make sense of the players that i have available and form a fitting playstyle? People are probably gonna have a different approach with this kind of issue.

Obviously i hate that we look like hot garbage and im open to new ideas. im not calling for browns head, im all in as long as the players and front office are all in and i root for OUR success. but i still think firing the coach was not the correct call by front office. They should have given thibs proper benchplayers and tell him you gotta play these guys, figure it out. Nothing more was needed.

The players obvioulsy have not baught in to mike browns system yet and they better do quickly because otherwise its going to get really ugly.

Ill give it 20 games. Because the system (at least thru games 1-4) HAS been getting them open looks. And some players HAVE been injured or playing with injuries. The fact that dudes (outside of Brunson/Mikal) are missing shots are on them.

O.G showed lag night what he can do if he gets the ball in the right spot. Him and Bridges both were beasting from the corner 3..we need to continue to do that.

But some of these other players have got to hot the wide open shot. Shamet strangely hits the tough ones but the easy ones....and Clarkson....I dont know , he seems very uncomfortable with his spotty minutes.

Still I expect Deuce to return to form and Towns to eventually step up here...and I think they will.

Mitch is a plus out there, but this first game back and at time he looked slow to react and was moving out there...understandable since he missed so many games.

Bridges looks very good out there. Brunson is Brunson, always plays at a high level offensively.

I kept saying how small we looked at the guard/wing spots versus the Bulls. We also look kinda un-athletic or played "old" too at times. I want to see less Hart and I want to call Tosun down from the G league.

Finally we need to acknowledge that young talent is starting to sprout across the league. And some of these teams we thought would be MID are going to be better than MID...especially if they are well coached. Even with their giant athletic talent ed wings I was jealous at the Bulls ball movement and effort.

Ball movement and effort ....is the coaching to blame ...or the players...or both?

Im going hold on to some positivity as we looked very good the first 2 games.

Yeah I'll give it 20 games.

[NoStatsGuy]

Ill give it 20 games. Because the system (at least thru games 1-4) HAS been getting them open looks. And some players HAVE been injured or playing with injuries. The fact that dudes (outside of Brunson/Mikal) are missing shots are on them.

O.G showed lag night what he can do if he gets the ball in the right spot. Him and Bridges both were beasting from the corner 3..we need to continue to do that.

But some of these other players have got to hot the wide open shot. Shamet strangely hits the tough ones but the easy ones....and Clarkson....I dont know , he seems very uncomfortable with his spotty minutes.

Still I expect Deuce to return to form and Towns to eventually step up here...and I think they will.

Mitch is a plus out there, but this first game back and at time he looked slow to react and was moving out there...understandable since he missed so many games.

Bridges looks very good out there. Brunson is Brunson, always plays at a high level offensively.

I kept saying how small we looked at the guard/wing spots versus the Bulls. We also look kinda un-athletic or played "old" too at times. I want to see less Hart and I want to call Tosun down from the G league.

Finally we need to acknowledge that young talent is starting to sprout across the league. And some of these teams we thought would be MID are going to be better than MID...especially if they are well coached. Even with their giant athletic talent ed wings I was jealous at the Bulls ball movement and effort.

Ball movement and effort ....is the coaching to blame ...or the players...or both?

Im going hold on to some positivity as we looked very good the first 2 games.

Yeah I'll give it 20 games.

yea 20 games or even a bit more definitley sounds like something i cant get behind as well.

And you are right, we looked good the first two games. Im just questioning the philosophy mostly. because honestly? getting open looks really is not that hard, if you have players that are willing to swing the ball from side to side. Thats not much of a system to me.

If the system is live and die by the three, we gotta start making shots at a high clip. our shooting profile is almost 50/50 i believe. we are jacking them up like boston did last year. And they died by the three to our own hands. im personally not a fan of that outlook.

Open looks or not, i dont see a genius offensive system. and the fact that the team resorts to iso brunson when we are down, shows the players dont trust the system either.

But yea, hopefully this is all worries from yesterday and we starting to become solid with players being back and adepting to new roles. definitley takes some time

[MrDollarBills]

The bright side is that there are some very winnable games on the menu and hopefully everyone can use these to lock in and get right. Clearly we are gonna need all of November to figure this out.

I'd preach patience but I'm just as frustrated as everyone else that things aren't clicking right away. Our defense was so bad last night.

[MrDollarBills]

@melo I didn't get a chance to respond to you last night because I got fed up.

Yes the puzzles in Silent Hill: F are annoying, but i put them on easy mode and it hasn't been so bad. The puzzle where you're walking through the scarecrow field of zombies was crazy tho, I was wandering around trying to figure it out and next thing I know one of them started trying to cut me with a sickle. I had to bash that chick's head in with a lead pipe

[MrDollarBills]

Ill give it 20 games. Because the system (at least thru games 1-4) HAS been getting them open looks. And some players HAVE been injured or playing with injuries. The fact that dudes (outside of Brunson/Mikal) are missing shots are on them.

O.G showed lag night what he can do if he gets the ball in the right spot. Him and Bridges both were beasting from the corner 3..we need to continue to do that.

But some of these other players have got to hot the wide open shot. Shamet strangely hits the tough ones but the easy ones....and Clarkson....I dont know , he seems very uncomfortable with his spotty minutes.

Still I expect Deuce to return to form and Towns to eventually step up here...and I think they will.

Mitch is a plus out there, but this first game back and at time he looked slow to react and was moving out there...understandable since he missed so many games.

Bridges looks very good out there. Brunson is Brunson, always plays at a high level offensively.

I kept saying how small we looked at the guard/wing spots versus the Bulls. We also look kinda un-athletic or played "old" too at times. I want to see less Hart and I want to call Tosun down from the G league.

Finally we need to acknowledge that young talent is starting to sprout across the league. And some of these teams we thought would be MID are going to be better than MID...especially if they are well coached. Even with their giant athletic talent ed wings I was jealous at the Bulls ball movement and effort.

Ball movement and effort ....is the coaching to blame ...or the players...or both?

Im going hold on to some positivity as we looked very good the first 2 games.

Yeah I'll give it 20 games.

yea 20 games or even a bit more definitley sounds like something i cant get behind as well.

And you are right, we looked good the first two games. Im just questioning the philosophy mostly. because honestly? getting open looks really is not that hard, if you have players that are willing to swing the ball from side to side. Thats not much of a system to me.

If the system is live and die by the three, we gotta start making shots at a high clip. our shooting profile is almost 50/50 i believe. we are jacking them up like boston did last year. And they died by the three to our own hands. im personally not a fan of that outlook.

Open looks or not, i dont see a genius offensive system. and the fact that the team resorts to iso brunson when we are down, shows the players dont trust the system either.

But yea, hopefully this is all worries from yesterday and we starting to become solid with players being back and adepting to new roles. definitley takes some time

I think there needs to be some balance. I love the open looks that we generate and we need to keep at it because i think the shots are gonna fall, but I think it's good to mix in some other calls like JB iso and KAT post plays. This team's problem is that we want to play fast but our two best players aren't really fast paced guys and Brown needs to make tweaks.

It's a process. I definitely don't think 5 games is anywhere near enough of a sample size to indicate that this season is already over though

[Reign23]

I see Landry is practically the sixth man, and Im not exactly thrilled with him but Clarkson needs to be cut from the rotation, his shot selection is disastrous

Surprised at Clarkson?!?! Really?????

he is so awful...

[NoStatsGuy]

Ill give it 20 games. Because the system (at least thru games 1-4) HAS been getting them open looks. And some players HAVE been injured or playing with injuries. The fact that dudes (outside of Brunson/Mikal) are missing shots are on them.

O.G showed lag night what he can do if he gets the ball in the right spot. Him and Bridges both were beasting from the corner 3..we need to continue to do that.

But some of these other players have got to hot the wide open shot. Shamet strangely hits the tough ones but the easy ones....and Clarkson....I dont know , he seems very uncomfortable with his spotty minutes.

Still I expect Deuce to return to form and Towns to eventually step up here...and I think they will.

Mitch is a plus out there, but this first game back and at time he looked slow to react and was moving out there...understandable since he missed so many games.

Bridges looks very good out there. Brunson is Brunson, always plays at a high level offensively.

I kept saying how small we looked at the guard/wing spots versus the Bulls. We also look kinda un-athletic or played "old" too at times. I want to see less Hart and I want to call Tosun down from the G league.

Finally we need to acknowledge that young talent is starting to sprout across the league. And some of these teams we thought would be MID are going to be better than MID...especially if they are well coached. Even with their giant athletic talent ed wings I was jealous at the Bulls ball movement and effort.

Ball movement and effort ....is the coaching to blame ...or the players...or both?

Im going hold on to some positivity as we looked very good the first 2 games.

Yeah I'll give it 20 games.

yea 20 games or even a bit more definitley sounds like something i cant get behind as well.

And you are right, we looked good the first two games. Im just questioning the philosophy mostly. because honestly? getting open looks really is not that hard, if you have players that are willing to swing the ball from side to side. Thats not much of a system to me.

If the system is live and die by the three, we gotta start making shots at a high clip. our shooting profile is almost 50/50 i believe. we are jacking them up like boston did last year. And they died by the three to our own hands. im personally not a fan of that outlook.

Open looks or not, i dont see a genius offensive system. and the fact that the team resorts to iso brunson when we are down, shows the players dont trust the system either.

But yea, hopefully this is all worries from yesterday and we starting to become solid with players being back and adepting to new roles. definitley takes some time

I think there needs to be some balance. I love the open looks that we generate and we need to keep at it because i think the shots are gonna fall, but I think it's good to mix in some other calls like JB iso and KAT post plays. This team's problem is that we want to play fast but our two best players aren't really fast paced guys and Brown needs to make tweaks.

It's a process. I definitely don't think 5 games is anywhere near enough of a sample size to indicate that this season is already over though

Yea you are bang on. Both are naturally slower methodical players.

Seems like this is going to be mike brown biggest challange this year. Balancing out the lineups and when to play super fast in spurts, when do we need certain deefensive lineups and this kind of stuff. Unfortunately Brunson and KAT are also very hard to work around on defense.

But im trying really hard to stay positive and give it a fair shot

[MrDollarBills]

yea 20 games or even a bit more definitley sounds like something i cant get behind as well.

And you are right, we looked good the first two games. Im just questioning the philosophy mostly. because honestly? getting open looks really is not that hard, if you have players that are willing to swing the ball from side to side. Thats not much of a system to me.

If the system is live and die by the three, we gotta start making shots at a high clip. our shooting profile is almost 50/50 i believe. we are jacking them up like boston did last year. And they died by the three to our own hands. im personally not a fan of that outlook.

Open looks or not, i dont see a genius offensive system. and the fact that the team resorts to iso brunson when we are down, shows the players dont trust the system either.

But yea, hopefully this is all worries from yesterday and we starting to become solid with players being back and adepting to new roles. definitley takes some time

I think there needs to be some balance. I love the open looks that we generate and we need to keep at it because i think the shots are gonna fall, but I think it's good to mix in some other calls like JB iso and KAT post plays. This team's problem is that we want to play fast but our two best players aren't really fast paced guys and Brown needs to make tweaks.

It's a process. I definitely don't think 5 games is anywhere near enough of a sample size to indicate that this season is already over though

Yea you are bang on. Both are naturally slower methodical players.

Seems like this is going to be mike brown biggest challange this year. Balancing out the lineups and when to play super fast in spurts, when do we need certain deefensive lineups and this kind of stuff. Unfortunately Brunson and KAT are also very hard to work around on defense.

But im trying really hard to stay positive and give it a fair shot

Yeah Brown has his work cut out for him with this group. Defensively its just impossible to hide both Brunson and KAT. I think exploring all possibilities via trade has to be on the table, I have seen enough since last year to realize that it's not going to work long term. Karl is just not the answer as a #2.

It's also a process for fans too. I knew that if we started slowly, people would start losing their minds. I'm frustrated but this was never going to be an overnight thing and the team said as much coming out of preseason.

[8516knicks]

Anyone else feel that the sense of unity, of "family," of culture, of hard-nosed playing, etc. that Thibs built with Leon the past five years is now GONE.

Not just the Coaching change but now it seems it's all every player for themeselves and THEIR salary over everything else.

It's not just Brown but add in Kat and his rep stretching from Minny to NYC and now, of all people, Josh.

It feels like were on the road to becoming the old Sacramento Kings.

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[robillionaire]

I think there needs to be some balance. I love the open looks that we generate and we need to keep at it because i think the shots are gonna fall, but I think it's good to mix in some other calls like JB iso and KAT post plays. This team's problem is that we want to play fast but our two best players aren't really fast paced guys and Brown needs to make tweaks.

It's a process. I definitely don't think 5 games is anywhere near enough of a sample size to indicate that this season is already over though

Yea you are bang on. Both are naturally slower methodical players.

Seems like this is going to be mike brown biggest challange this year. Balancing out the lineups and when to play super fast in spurts, when do we need certain deefensive lineups and this kind of stuff. Unfortunately Brunson and KAT are also very hard to work around on defense.

But im trying really hard to stay positive and give it a fair shot

Yeah Brown has his work cut out for him with this group. Defensively its just impossible to hide both Brunson and KAT. I think exploring all possibilities via trade has to be on the table, I have seen enough since last year to realize that it's not going to work long term. Karl is just not the answer as a #2.

It's also a process for fans too. I knew that if we started slowly, people would start losing their minds. I'm frustrated but this was never going to be an overnight thing and the team said as much coming out of preseason.

He took over a team on the cusp of the NBA finals and now we have to pretend the players are all talentless and the team sucks and can’t possibly play together. He has his work cut out for him??? This was never going to be an overnight thing? We were a very good team! If you want overnight, thibs took over the most trash team in basketball with Julius Randle as the biggest talent on the roster and had us at the 4 seed overnight. This clown needs a “process” to win with established all star starters and 9 figure paid support pieces who were just in the conference finals. Now it’s the fans fault for having high expectations? Anything to avoid that realgm was wrong, Thibs coaching and culture he constructed was heart of the team that managed to unite these players make them hard nosed and got the most out of many of them and Mike Brown was a panic hire that they never really wanted and isn’t going to pan out. I would love to be wrong about this I really really would but damn. Somehow you can feel through the screen that their soul isn’t there anymore

[robillionaire]

Anyone else feel that the sense of unity, of "family," of culture, of hard-nosed playing, etc. that Thibs built with Leon the past five years is now GONE.

Not just the Coaching change but now it seems it's all every player for themeselves and THEIR salary over everything else.

It's not just Brown but add in Kat and his rep stretching from Minny to NYC and now, of all people, Josh.

It feels like were on the road to becoming the old Sacramento Kings.

Yeah….


Maybe they can hold a players only meeting or something and find their balls again. There’s always room for optimism because we already have proof the talent is there

[3toheadmelo]

@melo I didn't get a chance to respond to you last night because I got fed up.

Yes the puzzles in Silent Hill: F are annoying, but i put them on easy mode and it hasn't been so bad. The puzzle where you're walking through the scarecrow field of zombies was crazy tho, I was wandering around trying to figure it out and next thing I know one of them started trying to cut me with a sickle. I had to bash that chick's head in with a lead pipe

I got that sht on hard mode maybe that’s why it’s been a pain in the ass

[3toheadmelo]

Anyone else feel that the sense of unity, of "family," of culture, of hard-nosed playing, etc. that Thibs built with Leon the past five years is now GONE.

Not just the Coaching change but now it seems it's all every player for themeselves and THEIR salary over everything else.

It's not just Brown but add in Kat and his rep stretching from Minny to NYC and now, of all people, Josh.

It feels like we’re on the road to becoming the old Sacramento Kings.

Sacramento Knicks lfg!

[god shammgod]

just to note, the starting lineup with duece gave up 15 points in like 3 minutes to end the game

[3toheadmelo]

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[god shammgod]

it's not that you can't fire thibs, there are other good coaches out there. but it's obvious, as it always was, they had no real succession plan when they fired him. mike brown was nobody's idea of the guy who could take us to the next level and anyone saying otherwise is lying. he's just the only guy they could get.