PG: Knicks vs. Pacers: Gross

[WaltFrazier]

Losing sucks... losing to that team really sucks.

If shamet or Brunson hit their shots in crunch time we win yet its still nasty that theyre down key players and we lost.

Forces me to temper my expectations which I dont like. I want to be delusionally fantasize about us winning a chip this year.

Tuesday’s defeat wasn’t just another blemish on the Knicks’ record, but, according to Hall of Fame coach Phil Jackson, it was also the night New York officially renounced itself as a team that can truly contend for an NBA title. Jackson’s “40-20” theory states that if a team wins 40 games before it suffers 20 losses, it’s a championship contender. The Knicks dropped to 34-20 after falling to Indiana.

Jackson’s logic has a few flaws, including that it doesn’t account for injuries, but it has generally rung true. Since the NBA adopted the 3-point line for the 1979-80 season, while not counting shortened seasons (whether because of work stoppage or the pandemic), only four teams have won the NBA championship without winning 40 games before losing 20: the 1994-95 Houston Rockets, the 2003-04 Pistons, the 2005-06 Miami Heat and the 2020-21 Milwaukee Bucks. Going back further, since the NBA expanded to an 82-game regular-season schedule for the 1967-68 season, only five more teams (1967-68 Boston Celtics; 1974-75 Golden State Warriors; 1976-77 Portland Trail Blazers; 1977-78 Washington Bullets; and 1978-79 Seattle SuperSonics) have made Jackson look silly.

welp wrap this season up. it’s over

By today's standings, only OKC and Detroit are contenders. Pistons need 1 win before they lose 7. Spurs need 3 wins before they lose 4. Rockets need 7 wins before 1 loss, Celtics need 6 before they lose 1. Everyone else has 20 losses or more

[WaltFrazier]

Sixers tonight, no game thread yet

[Fury]

Sixers tonight, no game thread yet

We're protesting the Knicks after last night's performance

[Fury]

How are we in Philadelphia again, wtf. Who the hell made this schedule? It feels like we're always in Philadelphia and Detroit.

[mpharris36]

Sixers tonight, no game thread yet

We're protesting the Knicks after last night's performance

sham should make it we need a low energy thread!

[8516knicks]

How are we in Philadelphia again, wtf. Who the hell made this schedule? It feels like we're always in Philadelphia and Detroit.

Tobias Harris?

[8516knicks]

Tuesday’s defeat wasn’t just another blemish on the Knicks’ record, but, according to Hall of Fame coach Phil Jackson, it was also the night New York officially renounced itself as a team that can truly contend for an NBA title. Jackson’s “40-20” theory states that if a team wins 40 games before it suffers 20 losses, it’s a championship contender. The Knicks dropped to 34-20 after falling to Indiana.

"Jackson’s logic has a few flaws, including that it doesn’t account for injuries, but it has generally rung true. Since the NBA adopted the 3-point line for the 1979-80 season, while not counting shortened seasons (whether because of work stoppage or the pandemic), only four teams have won the NBA championship without winning 40 games before losing 20: the 1994-95 Houston Rockets, the 2003-04 Pistons, the 2005-06 Miami Heat and the 2020-21 Milwaukee Bucks. Going back further, since the NBA expanded to an 82-game regular-season schedule for the 1967-68 season, only five more teams (1967-68 Boston Celtics; 1974-75 Golden State Warriors; 1976-77 Portland Trail Blazers; 1977-78 Washington Bullets; and 1978-79 Seattle SuperSonics) have made Jackson look silly."

My first thought on reading the list was "those poor Washington Bullet fans" haven't won in a LOOOOOOOOONG time. Then I realized they were more recent than the KNICKS!

[god shammgod]

Sixers tonight, no game thread yet

We're protesting the Knicks after last night's performance

sham should make it we need a low energy thread!

done

[Red Vines]

Won't be surprised to see Kolek back in the rotation, nobody else gets the ball moving like him. Alvarado can help too but it's natural to Kolek.

[FrozenEnvelope]

I gotta be honest I have no confidence this team is making the ECF. We still got 30 something games left but I haven't liked the DNA of this years team. We are 'Duncan Robinson' aka soft and timid. You don't see that hunger and toughness. Just look at the postgame interviews. These players don't even look like they care. Heck, we the fans show more of a pulse! They can't wait to swap jerseys and gossip with the opposing players after losses all smiling and ****!

HC Brown has done some good things and a 34-20 record is alright but considering the expectations coming into the season, I cannot say with a straight face that expectations have been reached. We are that student that barely passed the midterm.

Also losing faith in JB. I think we try to fool ourselves into hoping he is that elite level player and leader but I think maybe he's just a Robin and we still do not have a Batman.

[god shammgod]

over the course of 82 you will have games where effort is not always there especially defensively. Its also a lot of pressure when 3 of your best defenders are all out injured.

We still should have won the game but our typically very reliable captain had a rough 4th and OT...it happens. Move on...at the end of the day I take more from games against BOS ect or other quality teams than these games in Feb.

Still shouldn't have come down to late in 4th and OT if we were more connected defensively. We gave them too many open looks early and then they started making some tougher shots late. I'm not as worried about pacers record they have 3/5 of there starting Finals team still playing who took OKC to 7 games. They have good players when they are all playing. But we let them get into whatever they wanted early.

If anything might not be the worse thing...if the Pacers get a top 3-4 pick and bring back Hali and Zubac that will be a really tough team to beat...anything to keep them from getting a top pick!

i might buy into this if you didn't go through a horrible losing streak not too long ago where this was an issue that you supposedly corrected. did they forget already ?

[FrozenEnvelope]

Sixers tonight, no game thread yet

Cause back to back on the road after a OT game at home the night before with this years team will surely go well.

[mpharris36]

over the course of 82 you will have games where effort is not always there especially defensively. Its also a lot of pressure when 3 of your best defenders are all out injured.

We still should have won the game but our typically very reliable captain had a rough 4th and OT...it happens. Move on...at the end of the day I take more from games against BOS ect or other quality teams than these games in Feb.

Still shouldn't have come down to late in 4th and OT if we were more connected defensively. We gave them too many open looks early and then they started making some tougher shots late. I'm not as worried about pacers record they have 3/5 of there starting Finals team still playing who took OKC to 7 games. They have good players when they are all playing. But we let them get into whatever they wanted early.

If anything might not be the worse thing...if the Pacers get a top 3-4 pick and bring back Hali and Zubac that will be a really tough team to beat...anything to keep them from getting a top pick!

i might buy into this if you didn't go through a horrible losing streak not too long ago where this was an issue that you supposedly corrected. did they forget already ?

Fair and we need to be better. You can make the case though that OG, Mitch, and even Deuce are clearly 3 of what 4 best defenders along with Mikal?

Its not ideal. Especially when Alvarado and Mo two guys that had really good defensive games in BOS got absolutely cooked tonight by Indy.

[G_K_F]

The Pacers are better than us in every aspect. After 3 years I can safely say that.

This offseason we need to make a major move to alter the DNA of this team.

If we crash out before the ECF - which there is a great chance we will - the coach has to be fired and a major trade or two needs to take place. End of story. We aren’t one role player away from immortality. We need much more than that but, more importantly, we need a change in mentality.

Bridges and Towns are the 2 most mentally soft players on the squad. Something has to change here.

[Reign23]

chill. we just won 9 out of 10.

[sol537]

The Pacers are better than us in every aspect. After 3 years I can safely say that.

This offseason we need to make a major move to alter the DNA of this team.

If we crash out before the ECF - which there is a great chance we will - the coach has to be fired and a major trade or two needs to take place. End of story. We aren’t one role player away from immortality. We need much more than that but, more importantly, we need a change in mentality.

Bridges and Towns are the 2 most mentally soft players on the squad. Something has to change here.

Nah... it's way closer than that. I think if we can get Giannis with KAT/Mikal this summer, then you do it. Otherwise, I would be OK with keeping Bridges and shopping KAT for better fitting pieces. I don't think we need to blow everything up as we have lots of very solid foundational pieces already.

Next season, the East will have DET, CLE, BOS, and IND as powerhouses. It's possible one of PHI or CHA or ORL could also take a step up with the right moves. So that's 4-6 really strong teams that the Knicks will have to contend with. No cake walk...

[shmeakone]

My first loss at MSG in 5 games was a tough one to swallow, that's for sure..

[NY2k1]

The Pacers are better than us in every aspect. After 3 years I can safely say that.

This offseason we need to make a major move to alter the DNA of this team.

If we crash out before the ECF - which there is a great chance we will - the coach has to be fired and a major trade or two needs to take place. End of story. We aren’t one role player away from immortality. We need much more than that but, more importantly, we need a change in mentality.

Bridges and Towns are the 2 most mentally soft players on the squad. Something has to change here.

Lol, nice overreaction to one game. You do realize the Knicks beat the Pacers earlier this season, right?

It took the Pacers everything and the kitchen sink to beat the Knicks last night. That was essentially their game 7 of the finals game. They'll go back to losing 10 in a row again.

[Fury]

The Pacers are better than us in every aspect. After 3 years I can safely say that.

This offseason we need to make a major move to alter the DNA of this team.

If we crash out before the ECF - which there is a great chance we will - the coach has to be fired and a major trade or two needs to take place. End of story. We aren’t one role player away from immortality. We need much more than that but, more importantly, we need a change in mentality.

Bridges and Towns are the 2 most mentally soft players on the squad. Something has to change here.

[G_K_F]

The Pacers are better than us in every aspect. After 3 years I can safely say that.

This offseason we need to make a major move to alter the DNA of this team.

If we crash out before the ECF - which there is a great chance we will - the coach has to be fired and a major trade or two needs to take place. End of story. We aren’t one role player away from immortality. We need much more than that but, more importantly, we need a change in mentality.

Bridges and Towns are the 2 most mentally soft players on the squad. Something has to change here.

Lol, nice overreaction to one game. You do realize the Knicks beat the Pacers earlier this season, right?

It took the Pacers everything and the kitchen sink to beat the Knicks last night. That was essentially their game 7 of the finals game. They'll go back to losing 10 in a row again.

You realize the Pacers will have Haliburton and Zubac next year on a squad that already has owned us repeatedly?