[Camelo Thread] - Update: He's Pushing for NYK! Part 5

[Jitpal]

this guy is begging to be dealt for, come on donnie, get a deal done

gallo/fields/curry


all i will say is it'll be a shame if he relents and accepts a trade somewhere else after giving ny a legit chance to get him (something lebron never did)

Well to be fair, we actually don't know what we've offered. THis Gallo, Fields deal is simply Sheridan's opinion, we don't know if we already offered that and they want Chandler too. It's too early for us to give our final offer, our final offer has to come either at the deadline when they are feeling pressure or if melo starts giving notice that he will accept a new jersey trade and the pressure is on us.

If Melo says he will extend with New Jersey, then it's game over. New Jersey, seemingly, has more tradable assets that the Nuggets are interested in. Melo needs to come out and say, it's NY or bust. Otherwise I expect this thing to be twisting in the winds for a while. -Jitpal

[knicks742]

The one thing that is important from that article is that it's the second time that he is said he is going to sign an extension. In other words, the option of getting him in free agenc is now out the window. So, the question is, if the Nuggets come to him in February and say, either we trade you to the Nets or we don't trade you, what would he do?

It's best for all parties for there to be a trade. Denver doesn't lose him for nothing. Melo has contract security. The receiving team, hopefully the Knicks, isn't held hostage all year and has a chance to compete a year earlier.

The truth is, you wouldn't just need to worry about the Nets come deadline time. You're telling me if Melo wants the extension and Dallas is willing to trade for him that they won't make that happen? Melo would extend with Dallas, he would have Dirk next to him for the next 5 years. Aging but still good. What if some dumb team is willing to swap Deng for an expiring deal and then Chicago can flip that in a 3 way with Denver. Melo would extend. The closer we get to the deadline the worse it becomes for the Knicks in my opinion. The Knicks could win more games with him now than with our current cast until February and it gives Felton/Melo/Amar'e more time to develop chemistry for the playoffs. -Jitpal

The problem for a contending team to get him is that they don't have the assets to get him. The Nuggets want high draft picks, a top young prospect and salary cap room. If you are a contender you most likely don't have high draft picks or a top young prospect. The Orlando GM stated that he discussed Melo with Denver but realized he didn't have the assets so he moved on and made the deals he made.

W

[Jitpal]

The one thing that is important from that article is that it's the second time that he is said he is going to sign an extension. In other words, the option of getting him in free agenc is now out the window. So, the question is, if the Nuggets come to him in February and say, either we trade you to the Nets or we don't trade you, what would he do?

It's best for all parties for there to be a trade. Denver doesn't lose him for nothing. Melo has contract security. The receiving team, hopefully the Knicks, isn't held hostage all year and has a chance to compete a year earlier.

The truth is, you wouldn't just need to worry about the Nets come deadline time. You're telling me if Melo wants the extension and Dallas is willing to trade for him that they won't make that happen? Melo would extend with Dallas, he would have Dirk next to him for the next 5 years. Aging but still good. What if some dumb team is willing to swap Deng for an expiring deal and then Chicago can flip that in a 3 way with Denver. Melo would extend. The closer we get to the deadline the worse it becomes for the Knicks in my opinion. The Knicks could win more games with him now than with our current cast until February and it gives Felton/Melo/Amar'e more time to develop chemistry for the playoffs. -Jitpal

The problem for a contending team to get him is that they don't have the assets to get him. The Nuggets want high draft picks, a top young prospect and salary cap room. If you are a contender you most likely don't have high draft picks or a top young prospect. The Orlando GM stated that he discussed Melo with Denver but realized he didn't have the assets so he moved on and made the deals he made.

W

True, they don't have high draft picks. Let's say its mid-January. Dallas offers Denver a decent deal, offer to pick up some bad deals for expiring contracts, add a young player, add a 1st rounder. It's not the worst deal for Denver. Getting out of Harrington or Birdman's contract will help them. Let's be real, they aren't getting even value. The key to the 1st round pick is that they can sell the fans on "hey, we have a first rounder. he could turn into the next jordan." type of deal. The young player is so that people watch for the rest of the year. For all intents and purposes, deals like this aren't going to make the team better, they are just to keep the fan base interested in the product while cutting costs in the face of declining revenue.

I digressed, let's say it is that time and Denver goes to Melo with the chance of going to Dallas. Melo would have to say yes right? Franchise player to play with, perennial contender and Texas isn't the worst place in the world. I just don't think it helps the Knicks any to wait for the deadline, I think it hurts. -Jitpal

[sol537]

I am ready for a Felton/Amare/'Melo pairing along with one of either Chandler, Gallo, or Fields. They all have strengths and weaknesses, but all three are pretty comparable in terms of value IMO. A healthy Turiaf could be a great role-player to put with those 4 because he does all the dirty work.

[ophdog]

iagree you give 2 of the fields gallo chandler and randolph or td and curry and get this trade done. Even if our depth id depleted our core f felton melo amare the one of the 3 left is strong to start building than i think you see a follow up trade

[ophdog]

If we trade for Melo i think we go into instant win now mode and completely forget about a 3rd max. Dolan has prob been going crazy not spening

[Li'l Penny]

If we trade for Melo i think we go into instant win now mode and completely forget about a 3rd max. Dolan has prob been going crazy not spening

We signed Amare for the max we should be in instant win mode since the guy also has a history of knee problems. You never know when it will start acting up which is why Phx never resigned him. He's in MVP mode right now too so it's time to make that big push for that 2nd star and see how far we can get. Donnie definitely playing this right as long as we keep on signing expirings along the way we should be in good shape for the future.

[Pharmcat]

I am ready for a Felton/Amare/'Melo pairing along with one of either Chandler, Gallo, or Fields. They all have strengths and weaknesses, but all three are pretty comparable in terms of value IMO. A healthy Turiaf could be a great role-player to put with those 4 because he does all the dirty work.

keep chandler, then spin off him in a deal for mayo?

[Jitpal]

OK, it's late so don't flame. I've been bored and spending time with the trade checker...

Knicks get: Melo, Nene, Courtney Lee and Anthony Carter
Rockets get: Douglas, Randolph, Walker, 2nd rounder from NY
Nuggets get: Jared Jefferies, Azubuike, Curry, Mozgov, Chandler/Gallo(take your pick), 2 1st rounders (1 from NY and 1 from Houston), and Cash

Nuggets save around $40 million with this deal over the next 2 years and some young pieces. Rockets get some young pieces and save some cash this year (~$2 mil). Knicks get backup PG, backup SG, starting C and starting SF. -Jitpal

[GONYK]

OK, it's late so don't flame. I've been bored and spending time with the trade checker...

Knicks get: Melo, Nene, Courtney Lee and Anthony Carter
Rockets get: Douglas, Randolph, Walker, 2nd rounder from NY
Nuggets get: Jared Jefferies, Azubuike, Curry, Mozgov, Chandler/Gallo(take your pick), 2 1st rounders (1 from NY and 1 from Houston), and Cash

Nuggets save around $40 million with this deal over the next 2 years and some young pieces. Rockets get some young pieces and save some cash this year (~$2 mil). Knicks get backup PG, backup SG, starting C and starting SF. -Jitpal

Done.

[Li'l Penny]

No Fields involvement. Done.

[PrecociousNeoph]

this guy is begging to be dealt for, come on donnie, get a deal done

gallo/fields/curry


all i will say is it'll be a shame if he relents and accepts a trade somewhere else after giving ny a legit chance to get him (something lebron never did)

what? donnie isn't the one holding up a deal here. denver is. they are setting teams up to bid against each other for as long as possible in order to get the best possible deal.

[GONYK]

this guy is begging to be dealt for, come on donnie, get a deal done

gallo/fields/curry


all i will say is it'll be a shame if he relents and accepts a trade somewhere else after giving ny a legit chance to get him (something lebron never did)

what? donnie isn't the one holding up a deal here. denver is. they are setting teams up to bid against each other for as long as possible in order to get the best possible deal.

Exactly. Why do people keep talking as if Donnie has this all lined up and is just waiting for his OK?

[NikeFoamposites]

and we somehow keep Fields, Chadler and Gallo what should our line up be?

my line up would be:

pg Felton
sg Fields
sf Melo
pf Gallo
c Stat

and have wilson come of the bench backing up three positions, the sg sf and pf.

[Twisted]

So it looks like we can't sign him as a free agent after all. That definitely reduces some of our leverage.

I think we'd realistically have to part with two of the three now. If other teams, especially the Brooklyn New Yorkers, have a legitimate chance at getting Melo, then we'll have to up the offer.

However, it's funny that Melo said he would sign the extension anywhere he went, and yet he "doesn't know" if he would sign it with the Nets. That's kind of contradictory.

It seems he wants to get traded soon (to the Knicks hopefully) and wants to tell everyone that he's not waiting for free agency.

[GONYK]

So it looks like we can't sign him as a free agent after all. That definitely reduces some of our leverage.

Donnie Walsh all but promised there will be a MAX slot this summer. Not having cap doesn't reduce some of our leverage. It reduces all of it.

[Twisted]

So it looks like we can't sign him as a free agent after all. That definitely reduces some of our leverage.

Donnie Walsh all but promised there will be a MAX slot this summer. Not having cap doesn't reduce some of our leverage. It reduces all of it.

True. If Melo wants to sign the extension no matter what, then Denver can say, "Resign with us or go to Jersey."

Mother****er.....

Let's hope that Melo really wanted to say, "When I go to New York, I'll sign the extension." We still have some hope since he also said that he's not sure if he'd extend with Jersey. So we'll see...

GONYK, I know you keep bringing up our leverage, but if it's completely gone, what would you be willing to trade? Two of the three, or even three? We have a chance of adding another top ten player, which doesn't happen every day, so it's tricky. Donnie would definitely need to bring back some of Denver's players in such a deal.

[duetta]

Knicks can have a max slot this summer as easily as trading Randolph for a #2 pick. The Max slot is not an issue.

[Twisted]

Knicks can have a max slot this summer as easily as trading Randolph for a #2 pick. The Max slot is not an issue.

Yeah, that's not the issue. The issue is if Melo won't even consider free agency, which looks like the situation.

[soby22]

how come melo isnt here yet?