[Camelo Thread Part 16] - Denver wants what?! p58

[NYK0605]

and quality size is hard to come by. out of the 4 - fields & moz would make the most sense with this group and yet, chandler & gallo might have more talent. tough choice.

I wouldn't be so sure about Mozgov not having talent like that. 7 foot mobile centers aren't exactly growing on trees. He looks like he can become a good rebounder. Even with his raw defensive abilities, you see him altering shots around the rim. No hands up, just his size down there. He has a good stroke too, so the ability to hit that 10-12 foot jumper and free throws are huge too. He can finish, we know that. There really aren't a lot of big guys like that out there. -Jitpal

Mozgov is soft.

He would get eaten alive by Boston or Orlando in a 7 game series.

[duetta]

If Donnie doesnt get Melo he should be fired. Melo put himself on a silver pladder for us. No Melo=no chris paul= mediocrity the next 4 years.

No, a silver platter would involve being man enough to play out his option. He wants to play in New York - to enhance his brand. He could give a damn about the fans aspirations for a championship.

[makeitstop]

Someone asked if that article about Denver wanting all 4 was true / realistic and he said no way... just posturing.. they know they'll only get 2... and those 4 would be Gallo Moz Fields and Chandler mentioned... and yes, on the radio

Still way too much IMO.

[Jitpal]

SAS says Felton isn't a sticking point. Denver just "inquired" about Felton in an effort to jettison Billup's contract. -Jitpal

How can Denver keep melo, billups or nene at this point the way they've been acting?

Talk about burning bridges

Ujiri is doing the same thing with other GMs. Billy King, Donnie Walsh, Joe Dumars, Kevin O'Connor and Mitch Kupchak have all been involved in some capacity or another. The way he handled this isn't making him any friends. Do you think those GMs are going to want to work with him in the future unless they are just hosing him. -Jitpal

[god shammgod]

If Donnie doesnt get Melo he should be fired. Melo put himself on a silver pladder for us. No Melo=no chris paul= mediocrity the next 4 years.

No, a silver platter would involve being man enough to play out his option. He wants to play in New York - to enhance his brand. He could give a damn about the fans aspirations for a championship.

even you don't believe that man.

[NoLayupRule]

If it costs us mozgov and fields and randolph for melo we should all drop to the group and thank god for Donnie.

Remember these guys were not even knicks before the summer and no one in the nab knew who they were besides Donnie apparently.

If we, in half a season, take these guys from unknown to enough to land a superstar then Donnie needs to be gm of the year and you fickle little boys need to sing his praises to Jah and anyone who will listen.

[knicks742]

2 out of the 4, expiring and pick.

Ok

Gallo, Chandler, Eddy and our 2014 first rounder. Done and done.

[NYK0605]

If Donnie doesnt get Melo he should be fired. Melo put himself on a silver pladder for us. No Melo=no chris paul= mediocrity the next 4 years.

No, a silver platter would involve being man enough to play out his option. He wants to play in New York - to enhance his brand. He could give a damn about the fans aspirations for a championship.

Why the hell do you hate Melo so much?

[NYK0605]

If it costs us mozgov and fields and randolph for melo we should all drop to the group and thank god for Donnie.

Remember these guys were not even knicks before the summer and no one in the nab knew who they were besides Donnie apparently.

If we, in half a season, take these guys from unknown to enough to land a superstar then Donnie needs to be gm of the year and you fickle little boys need to sing his praises to Jah and anyone who will listen.

I'd be swinging from my chandleir if that was the deal.

Of course you'll get people here who would say no way to doing that.

[Jitpal]

2 out of the 4, expiring and pick.

Ok

Gallo, Chandler, Eddy and our 2014 first rounder. Done and done.

You sure you won't change your mind on Gallo if he has a great game tonight? He was on your untouchable list last week. Look the TPE via Minny is better than expiring, that should bridge the gap where you don't need to include Gallo to get the deal done and can get it done with another 1st rounder. -Jitpal

[NYK0605]

I just thought this...

Do you think NOT giving up Chandler would be a better thing to do and include Fields instead?

I think so, and then in the summer S&T Chandler to like LA for one of their bigs and stuff?

[macman411]

If Donnie doesnt get Melo he should be fired. Melo put himself on a silver pladder for us. No Melo=no chris paul= mediocrity the next 4 years.

We probably can't get Chris Paul if we trade for Melo. Not enough cap space.

Your not a cap expert and you dont know that Paul wont take less for a chance to win multiple chips. Stat and Mosgov are the only 2 players on the 2013 books, im sure they could find a way to make it happen. Besides donnie did that dumbass Houston trade for a chance to get 2 max guys in here. Hes got no choice but to get it done.

[Jitpal]

A key factor, if Mozgov is in the deal, your starting lineup will be Amare at the C and Melo at PF. The Knicks don't have another option because Turiaf can't start, that's if he is here. You would have to be sure the Knicks would be able to get a big man this summer. Without that the Knicks won't get anywhere. The Knicks can trade for a SG to start or a bench scorer. The starting caliber center would cost an arm and a leg if one is even available. -Jitpal

[Context]

I don't want to get into a complicated and irrelevant discussion with you.

If I'm Kroenke Melo has to either sign the extension pre 24th or he gets traded. Obviously if Melo is going to remain a Nugget then you don't trade him. However, he has made it clear for 8 months that he doesn't intend to sign TWO extension much less one. Therefore, you ask him one last time if he will commit pre 24th and if he refuses you trade him. You don't play guessing games when all signs are pointing to you losing...

At the end of the day, I think you're right. Kroenke will have to cut his losses. But there's a flipside that often gets ignored. I'll attempt to break it down mathematically (values not accurate, just being used for illustration):

A = Nuggets value with Carmelo
B = Nuggets value if Carmelo traded
C = Nuggets team value if Carmelo walks away for no compensation

A = $300 million
B = $225 million
C = $224 million

If you were the owner, would you really care about the difference between B & C? Or would you do everything you possibly could to get choice A?

Yes, Carmelo has turned them down ten times before. But by letting the deadline pass, Kroenke could play a high-stakes game of chicken by trying to call Melo's bluff. Nothing could be worth more to the value of his franchise between February and July than the opportunity to convince Melo to stay.

That's the devil's advocate argument that never seems to play on this board. To me it's very logical, and probably our biggest concern. Now this obviously doesn't mean Carmelo would sign that extension, but I for one wouldn't be shocked if he did.

Ok lets go down that "game of chicken path"...

!. Franchise tag - it's a myth because Melo can opt out before the current CBA expires.
2. Lets just assume there is a "lock out". Even if Melo is extended and stays in Denver- he won't get paid until it's resolved.
3. That leaves the theory that Melo will lose a ton of money if he hits free agency and the max deal numbers change. Give me a reasonable difference and lets discuss that. I personally believe it's not going to be that significant.
4. Did I miss anything else?

That being said, I just don't see what Melo has to be afraid of. Therefore, this "game of chicken" argument is hollow IMO...

Your thoughts?

[knicks9784]

I don't want to get into a complicated and irrelevant discussion with you.

If I'm Kroenke Melo has to either sign the extension pre 24th or he gets traded. Obviously if Melo is going to remain a Nugget then you don't trade him. However, he has made it clear for 8 months that he doesn't intend to sign TWO extension much less one. Therefore, you ask him one last time if he will commit pre 24th and if he refuses you trade him. You don't play guessing games when all signs are pointing to you losing...

At the end of the day, I think you're right. Kroenke will have to cut his losses. But there's a flipside that often gets ignored. I'll attempt to break it down mathematically (values not accurate, just being used for illustration):

A = Nuggets value with Carmelo
B = Nuggets value if Carmelo traded
C = Nuggets team value if Carmelo walks away for no compensation

A = $300 million
B = $225 million
C = $224 million

If you were the owner, would you really care about the difference between B & C? Or would you do everything you possibly could to get choice A?

Yes, Carmelo has turned them down ten times before. But by letting the deadline pass, Kroenke could play a high-stakes game of chicken by trying to call Melo's bluff. Nothing could be worth more to the value of his franchise between February and July than the opportunity to convince Melo to stay.

That's the devil's advocate argument that never seems to play on this board. To me it's very logical, and probably our biggest concern. Now this obviously doesn't mean Carmelo would sign that extension, but I for one wouldn't be shocked if he did.

Ok lets go down that "game of chicken path"...

!. Franchise tag - it's a myth because Melo can opt out before the current CBA expires.
2. Lets just assume there is a "lock out". Even if Melo is extended and stays in Denver- he won't get paid until it's resolved.
3. That leaves the theory that Melo will lose a ton of money if he hits free agency and the max deal numbers change. Give me a reasonable difference and lets discuss that. I personally believe it's not going to be that significant.
4. Did I miss anything else?

That being said, I just don't see what Melo has to be afraid of. Therefore, this "game of chicken" argument is hollow IMO...

Your thoughts?

dont forget bucher knows the new cba and it will be 11 million dollar max contracts lol

[NoLayupRule]

Dont kind yourself jitpal, amare is playing center and Carmelo is playing pf anyway. Sf gallo or chandler and sg whoever is left

[knicks1999]

Denver is losing the face of their franchise.....of course they are going to try to milk us all the way up to feb. 24th......smart business

[Jitpal]

Dont kind yourself jitpal, amare is playing center and Carmelo is playing pf anyway. Sf gallo or chandler and sg whoever is left

Still, the roster should have a starting caliber center but you're probably right unless Mozgov comes out doing 20/15 each night. -Jitpal

[Context]

Mozgov is soft.

He would get eaten alive by Boston or Orlando in a 7 game series.

He's NOT SOFT. He's just paranoid of getting quick fouls and playing below D'antoni's standards; which would result in an earlier exit or banishment to the bench.

[cgmw]

Ok lets go down that "game of chicken path"...

!. Franchise tag - it's a myth because Melo can opt out before the current CBA expires.
2. Lets just assume there is a "lock out". Even if Melo is extended and stays in Denver- he won't get paid until it's resolved.
3. That leaves the theory that Melo will lose a ton of money if he hits free agency and the max deal numbers change. Give me a reasonable difference and lets discuss that. I personally believe it's not going to be that significant.
4. Did I miss anything else?

That being said, I just don't see what Melo has to be afraid of. Therefore, this "game of chicken" argument is hollow IMO...

Your thoughts?

I think you're overthinking.

From Kroenke's perspective it could just boil down to good old fashion hope and denial.