Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank

[matchman]

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I think this is what some post game thread posters are looking for.

[DOT]

https://stats.nba.com/team/1610612752/onoffcourt-advanced/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=5&sort=OFF_RATING&dir=1

This is what I mean

Frank's offense has hit a new level of awful the last few games, yet despite that, we as a team are actually really good with him on. Compared to Mudiay whose offense is decent, yet when he's on our offense is literally the worst in the league. And then you factor in how much better the defense has been with him on the court, and it's game over

Frank on the court numbers: 117 Ortg, 101 Drtg, +16 Netrtg
Frank off the court numbers: 95 Ortg, 120 Drtg, -25 Netrtg

And it reflects in other stats, too, our team assist% goes up by 10 points, assist ratio is up by 5, we go from just over 1 assist per turnover to nearly 2, turnover percentage drops by 2, and both eFG% and TS% are both up by almost 10 percent as well

Frank's doing everything we need from him except score. If he could just get his shot down, we'd be in excellent shape right now

[taj2133]

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I think this is what some post game thread posters are looking for.

I think frank defense his great nobody going to deny that not even me and i am big critic of frank and he did well last night against harden on defense. On the other hand frank has a long way to go on his offensive and it needs lot of work just to be decent on offensive his numbers this year so far 39 games 5.9 points, 2.7 assist, 1.9 rebounds shooting 33 percent and 29 percent from three in 21.5 minutes not good.
Last year numbers for frank 78 games 5.9 points, 3.2 assist, 2.3 rebounds, 36 percent shooting and 31 percent from three in 21. 9 minutes. It seems to me he got progressively worst on everything on his offensive game which isn't good.
http://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/4230547/frank-ntilikina

[K_ick_God]

I don't mind one bit that his D and some passing are his only contributions. Eventually he'll hit some shots.

Could care less. Keep doing D and passing Frank. That's all that matters and I give the coaching staff credit if that's what they're telling him now ... I obviously don't know but possibly.

Just focus on D and go slowly with O. It's that freaking simple. The guy is making a good contribution with no offense. Imagine when he straightens that out some.

Say what you will, but Frank has an NBA stroke and good footwork. His length alone will be helpful. I'm in absolutely no rush to see him play O well. He can do that when he's 23.

Right now he helps us a lot at a very low baseline on O. That's great. We know he is a net plus over Mudiay. Go from there.

[cgf]

Frank has good mechanics & has hit 70 of the 96 FTs he's taken thus far, so there's good reason to think he'll become a good 3pt shooter with time. Given the positive impact he already has on the floor, then even if you believe that scoring at the rim is something you either learn growing up or always will struggle with...which I most certainly do not...there's reason to expect him to become a good player on both ends of the court. A floor general who can space the court & lock up top guards, is absolutely valuable to a team that is going to have serious firepower in its frontcourt even if it's "just" KP & Knox.

[regGQ]

He has good instincts on drives, gets to the rim and doesn't get blocked nearly as often as Knox even if he'll miss anyway lol.

Co-sign a summer spent with Parker or even better Rondo, would do wonders for his game.

[Jeff Van Gully]

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I think this is what some post game thread posters are looking for.

it's not though.

[Jeff Van Gully]

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I think this is what some post game thread posters are looking for.

I think frank defense his great nobody going to deny that not even me and i am big critic of frank and he did well last night against harden on defense. On the other hand frank has a long way to go on his offensive and it needs lot of work just to be decent on offensive his numbers this year so far 39 games 5.9 points, 2.7 assist, 1.9 rebounds shooting 33 percent and 29 percent from three in 21.5 minutes not good.
Last year numbers for frank 78 games 5.9 points, 3.2 assist, 2.3 rebounds, 36 percent shooting and 31 percent from three in 21. 9 minutes. It seems to me he got progressively worst on everything on his offensive game which isn't good.
http://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/4230547/frank-ntilikina

you thinking he should average maybe... 10 points and 5 assists?

[Jeff Van Gully]

Frank has good mechanics & has hit 70 of the 96 FTs he's taken thus far, so there's good reason to think he'll become a good 3pt shooter with time. Given the positive impact he already has on the floor, then even if you believe that scoring at the rim is something you either learn growing up or always will struggle with...which I most certainly do not...there's reason to expect him to become a good player on both ends of the court. A floor general who can space the court & lock up top guards, is absolutely valuable to a team that is going to have serious firepower in its frontcourt even if it's "just" KP & Knox.

frank doesn't have to be the firepower. but we do need him to hit open shots reliably. and if he is a threat to drive, that opens up his passing lanes.

i'm impressed with what he's able to do as a facilitator without all that already.

[Jeff Van Gully]

yeah, he should have at least added a smiley face to take some of the bitterness out of it. Scoring is just one aspect of the game. His defense right now is far more valuable on this roster and going forward than his offense at the 1 will likely ever be. Hell, if Frank became a big scorer guys would complain that he's looking for his own shot too much.

A guy like Frank.....I don't believe his value can ever really show on a poor team. Surround him with better players and he'd be the ultimate glue guy. Good defense, unselfish and able to make a good pass when the opportunity presents itself. This is coming from a guy that has been critical of him all season.

Frank could hurt a good team by being an unreliable shooter to go with a somewhat shaky driving the ball game. If he was starting. I'd agree with you that what he does, even right now, would fit better on a better team - but in a limited role off the bench.
The amount he can have a larger role on a good team starts with reliability of his jumper, which I think unlocks his driving game. He's not by nature that twitchy player who'll just take it in on people. He's going to have to me that slower/smarter kind of player where the very consistent jumper sets up a guy overplaying him, and then he uses some change of pace stuff and height to succeed more 10 feet on in.

Will it happen? Who knows. I'd just prefer the Knicks wait 3 years, at least to find out. Or to the end of his rookie deal.

I've been dogging Mitch, but it's only because it's funny he gets a pass. Knox is a mixed bag in terms of criticism here.

NBA/College is in "one and done" land and trending towards ways for guys to skip college, do a year in the D-League etc.

Lots of picks are going to be 3 and 4 year projects.
NBA acknowledges this by expanding the roster and changing how teams can shuttle between the G-League and the NBA.
Not sure all the fans get it

Maybe at some point it becomes acceptable to players/agents/everyone that even a guy drafted high and signed for millions could spend a year or two in the G-League. You know, how baseball players get drafted, signed for a million dollar bonus, and spend 3 -4 years in the minors. Some variation on that.

Westchester Knicks with:
Frank/Mitch/Zo/Dot/Knox playing 35 mpg. For a year. Things like that.

yeah, totally agree about him potentially hurting a team with extended minutes. I wouldn't peg him into the starting lineup or bench but, use him situationally (is that even a word?) , if not hope it gets my point across

situationally is not only a word, but the perfect word for your point.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I think this is what some post game thread posters are looking for.

I think frank defense his great nobody going to deny that not even me and i am big critic of frank and he did well last night against harden on defense. On the other hand frank has a long way to go on his offensive and it needs lot of work just to be decent on offensive his numbers this year so far 39 games 5.9 points, 2.7 assist, 1.9 rebounds shooting 33 percent and 29 percent from three in 21.5 minutes not good.
Last year numbers for frank 78 games 5.9 points, 3.2 assist, 2.3 rebounds, 36 percent shooting and 31 percent from three in 21. 9 minutes. It seems to me he got progressively worst on everything on his offensive game which isn't good.
http://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/4230547/frank-ntilikina

you thinking he should average maybe... 10 points and 5 assists?

Over the last 16 games, Frank's per 36 stats:
11.3ppg, 5.4 assists, 1.1 steals, 37% from 3.

I mean, not that they are out of this world numbers but its something and think there has been some improvement for sure.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I think frank defense his great nobody going to deny that not even me and i am big critic of frank and he did well last night against harden on defense. On the other hand frank has a long way to go on his offensive and it needs lot of work just to be decent on offensive his numbers this year so far 39 games 5.9 points, 2.7 assist, 1.9 rebounds shooting 33 percent and 29 percent from three in 21.5 minutes not good.
Last year numbers for frank 78 games 5.9 points, 3.2 assist, 2.3 rebounds, 36 percent shooting and 31 percent from three in 21. 9 minutes. It seems to me he got progressively worst on everything on his offensive game which isn't good.
http://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/4230547/frank-ntilikina

you thinking he should average maybe... 10 points and 5 assists?

Over the last 16 games, Frank's per 36 stats:
11.3ppg, 5.4 assists, 1.1 steals, 37% from 3.

I mean, not that they are out of this world numbers but its something and think there has been some improvement for sure.

i was just jabbing the recurring taj bomb

[taj2133]

you thinking he should average maybe... 10 points and 5 assists?

Over the last 16 games, Frank's per 36 stats:
11.3ppg, 5.4 assists, 1.1 steals, 37% from 3.

I mean, not that they are out of this world numbers but its something and think there has been some improvement for sure.

i was just jabbing the recurring taj bomb

Its all good gully you still my guy lol.

[cgf]

Frank has good mechanics & has hit 70 of the 96 FTs he's taken thus far, so there's good reason to think he'll become a good 3pt shooter with time. Given the positive impact he already has on the floor, then even if you believe that scoring at the rim is something you either learn growing up or always will struggle with...which I most certainly do not...there's reason to expect him to become a good player on both ends of the court. A floor general who can space the court & lock up top guards, is absolutely valuable to a team that is going to have serious firepower in its frontcourt even if it's "just" KP & Knox.

frank doesn't have to be the firepower. but we do need him to hit open shots reliably. and if he is a threat to drive, that opens up his passing lanes.

i'm impressed with what he's able to do as a facilitator without all that already.

Yep, fortunately it looks like with time he’ll be able to hit his open shots. And as he continues developing his body & gaining experience, I don’t see why he couldn’t become a credible threat in the lane...he does a good job avoiding shot blockers & using that slight hesitation to get guys on his hip, which with his length should result in enough good looks that teams have to take his threat to drive seriously even if he never learns to convert at an above average clip.

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[mpharris36]

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I think in a small sample size before KP went down his numbers with frank on the floor then without were pretty stark too. Its funny how better people look when you have a point guard that likes to run an actual offense and share the ball...

[DOT]

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I think in a small sample size before KP went down his numbers with frank on the floor then without were pretty stark too. Its funny how better people look when you have a point guard that likes to run an actual offense and share the ball...

The 3 man lineup of Frank, Tim, and KP last year had great advanced stats as well

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[j4remi]

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Dude's a must follow on twitter for Knicks fans imo. He drops a lot of gold.

Also, I wonder how this holds for other scorers on the team. We have so few guys that move the ball quickly that I'd speculate Frank's impact shows up for others as well (Zo, Burke and Knox are who I'm curious about).

[WargamesX]

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I just think about what that defense would look like with KP and/or Mitch behind him. Like I know its off topic but if the knicks could draft someone like Reddish and add him to that defense...... Big time scorers would not want to play in the garden anymore.