OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread

[WargamesX]

Cyrus Vance Jr. retires as Manhattan DA at the end of the month. If he wants to take credit for the indictment we will see Trump’s indictment for fraud by NYC in the next ten days. The indictment is coming either way, but because of this it might be imminent.

Makes sense why Trump sued Letitia James. If the indictment is coming he needs to start muddying the water to stall now.

[WargamesX]

Also I think we could see them to a combination of things. In regards to covid, but a 1-3 week break is definitely coming. A bubble might happen too but that would follow after we saw more widespread shutdowns.

[Clyde_Style]

Cyrus Vance Jr. retires as Manhattan DA at the end of the month. If he wants to take credit for the indictment we will see Trump’s indictment for fraud by NYC in the next ten days. The indictment is coming either way, but because of this it might be imminent.

Makes sense why Trump sued Letitia James. If the indictment is coming he needs to start muddying the water to stall now.

Vance is NYC and she is NYS so that will be another set of charges. Both offices are collaborating and sharing evidence so they are pretty well apprised of each office’s moves. Trump can stall, but he will depose for her. In the meantime it seems he will get rung up by NYC first. Legal speculation is it has been elevated to the RICO level which is bad news for Trump, because they wouldn’t bring those charges unless they had the evidence. His first prison sentence may come from NYC, but he will still be facing additional indictments from NYS, Westchester Country, Fulton County in GA and what are now looking like unavoidable DOJ treason charges. The Jan 6 Committee is doing an amazing job.

[Clyde_Style]

Also I think we could see them to a combination of things. In regards to covid, but a 1-3 week break is definitely coming. A bubble might happen too but that would follow after we saw more widespread shutdowns.

Yep, Break, then Bubble are what I would bet on

[Lord Commander]

Cyrus Vance Jr. retires as Manhattan DA at the end of the month. If he wants to take credit for the indictment we will see Trump’s indictment for fraud by NYC in the next ten days. The indictment is coming either way, but because of this it might be imminent.

Makes sense why Trump sued Letitia James. If the indictment is coming he needs to start muddying the water to stall now.

Vance is NYC and she is NYS so that will be another set of charges. Both offices are collaborating and sharing evidence so they are pretty well apprised of each office’s moves. Trump can stall, but he will depose for her. In the meantime it seems he will get rung up by NYC first. Legal speculation is it has been elevated to the RICO level which is bad news for Trump, because they wouldn’t bring those charges unless they had the evidence. His first prison sentence may come from NYC, but he will still be facing additional indictments from NYS, Westchester Country, Fulton County in GA and what are now looking like unavoidable DOJ treason charges. The Jan 6 Committee is doing an amazing job.

Praise black baby Jesus!!

[WargamesX]

Cyrus Vance Jr. retires as Manhattan DA at the end of the month. If he wants to take credit for the indictment we will see Trump’s indictment for fraud by NYC in the next ten days. The indictment is coming either way, but because of this it might be imminent.

Makes sense why Trump sued Letitia James. If the indictment is coming he needs to start muddying the water to stall now.

Vance is NYC and she is NYS so that will be another set of charges. Both offices are collaborating and sharing evidence so they are pretty well apprised of each office’s moves. Trump can stall, but he will depose for her. In the meantime it seems he will get rung up by NYC first. Legal speculation is it has been elevated to the RICO level which is bad news for Trump, because they wouldn’t bring those charges unless they had the evidence. His first prison sentence may come from NYC, but he will still be facing additional indictments from NYS, Westchester Country, Fulton County in GA and what are now looking like unavoidable DOJ treason charges. The Jan 6 Committee is doing an amazing job.

Yeah I expect him to pull every shady trick he can to stall jail time. At his age if he drags it out he might die never spending time in a cell.

[Clyde_Style]

Makes sense why Trump sued Letitia James. If the indictment is coming he needs to start muddying the water to stall now.

Vance is NYC and she is NYS so that will be another set of charges. Both offices are collaborating and sharing evidence so they are pretty well apprised of each office’s moves. Trump can stall, but he will depose for her. In the meantime it seems he will get rung up by NYC first. Legal speculation is it has been elevated to the RICO level which is bad news for Trump, because they wouldn’t bring those charges unless they had the evidence. His first prison sentence may come from NYC, but he will still be facing additional indictments from NYS, Westchester Country, Fulton County in GA and what are now looking like unavoidable DOJ treason charges. The Jan 6 Committee is doing an amazing job.

Yeah I expect him to pull every shady trick he can to stall jail time. At his age if he drags it out he might die never spending time in a cell.

Trump is decrepit and was already in steady cognitive decline while in office so it always a possibility he'll wake up dead in pool of big mac vomit before he gets to serve time. His kids will be on the hook too so some Trump will be behind bars

[DOT]

It's mostly true.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/newsroom/news-releases/in-covid-19-vaccinated-people-those-with-prior-infection-likely-to-have-more-antibodies

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2785919

You linked to two articles that have nothing to do with what was said

The claim made was "vaccinated people spread the virus more than unvaccinated people"

Those articles are comparing people who got vaccinated after being infected with those vaccinated without being infected. It has nothing to do with the claim being made that "the CDC says unvaccinated people aren't transmitting after infection" because neither deal with unvaccinated individuals. If the argument was about whether or not "natural immunity" plus vaccination was better than just vaccination, then it'd be on topic, and you'd be posting evidence for vaccination, not against it

So again, source the original claim, don't post things that are unrelated.

Nedleeds already mentioned some other things but there is also this, studies linked in article:
https://covidcarealliance.com/cdc-admits-crushing-rights-of-naturally-immune-without-proof-they-transmit-the-virus/
After formal demand, the CDC concedes it does not have proof of a single instance of a naturally immune individual spreading the virus. https://www.sirillp.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/IR0552-CDC-Reinfection-and-Transmission_FINAL-5.pdf

4 studies mentioned showing transmission of CV via vaccinated who were infected (in the article).

Your original claim:

The good news with the unvaxxed is that according to the CDC they are not transmitting the virus after infection

So, in your words, the CDC says unvaccinated people with "natural immunity" are not spreading the virus. This is not what your "sources" say. What the CDC actually said was "we don't have data on that because we don't study that"

Which is not the same thing. This article from Politifact addresses this claim: https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/dec/02/ask-politifact-does-cdc-lack-data-reinfection-peop/

Does the CDC’s response to the record request mean that there’s no evidence of unvaccinated, previously infected people transmitting COVID-19? On its own, no.

CDC research shows that unvaccinated people with natural immunity can get COVID-19 again. But experts in health and public records explained that there’s a lack of data about whether those unvaccinated reinfected people can or have spread the virus to others. That lack of data doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen, they clarified.

In addition, they explained, the CDC would be unable to provide these kinds of documents due to specific federal FOIA guidelines.

Your 2nd link is just to a FOIA request that I assume the original article was talking about, so I don't know why you'd post it, cause it says nothing

So, your original claim was misinformation. The CDC never said unvaccinated people are not transmitting the virus. Since you have repeatedly failed to provide evidence to back up this claim, it will be flagged.

[WargamesX]

Vance is NYC and she is NYS so that will be another set of charges. Both offices are collaborating and sharing evidence so they are pretty well apprised of each office’s moves. Trump can stall, but he will depose for her. In the meantime it seems he will get rung up by NYC first. Legal speculation is it has been elevated to the RICO level which is bad news for Trump, because they wouldn’t bring those charges unless they had the evidence. His first prison sentence may come from NYC, but he will still be facing additional indictments from NYS, Westchester Country, Fulton County in GA and what are now looking like unavoidable DOJ treason charges. The Jan 6 Committee is doing an amazing job.

Yeah I expect him to pull every shady trick he can to stall jail time. At his age if he drags it out he might die never spending time in a cell.

Trump is decrepid and was already in steady cognitive decline while in office so it always a possibility he'll wake up in pool of big mac vomit before he gets to serve time. His kids will be on the hook too so some Trump will be behind bars

Trump don’t care about his kids…. if he could do it in a way that couldn’t be traced to him he would probably put the whole thing on Eric, and would only spare Don Jr because Don Jr shares his name.

[DOT]

I also think it's ironic right, the people who don't want to get the shot because "big pharma" or whatever, but they don't seem to realize big pharma gets paid either way. They don't care if you get it or not, because they sold it to the government

And because we're going to keep buying shots like everyone's gonna be vaccinated, by not getting it you're just making them buy more to replace the ones that go bad cause y'all aren't taking them

It's literally making them more money for you not to take it than for you to take it.

[Clyde_Style]

I also think it's ironic right, the people who don't want to get the shot because "big pharma" or whatever, but they don't seem to realize big pharma gets paid either way. They don't care if you get it or not, because they sold it to the government

And because we're going to keep buying shots like everyone's gonna be vaccinated, by not getting it you're just making them buy more to replace the ones that go bad cause y'all aren't taking them

It's literally making them more money for you not to take it than for you to take it.

There are many ironies. Taking Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin is one of them. You have a problem with the vaccines, but you'll take medical advice from a rogue source? Uh huh

The truth is this is politicking, not anti-medicine or even anti-big pharma for many of these people. They just post whatever they find in another post online to further their anger at government.

And many of them are doubly ironic by hating Biden's handling of the vaccine while brushing off Trump's historically nightmarish handling of the pandemic.

Or somebody yapping about Orange Man when it was he who tried to take away our freedom. It makes their whining about freedom during a pandemic look silly.

There are so many ironies, because there is so little consistent logic.

Freedumb doesn't seem to have a cure

[Clyde_Style]

Yeah I expect him to pull every shady trick he can to stall jail time. At his age if he drags it out he might die never spending time in a cell.

Trump is decrepid and was already in steady cognitive decline while in office so it always a possibility he'll wake up in pool of big mac vomit before he gets to serve time. His kids will be on the hook too so some Trump will be behind bars

Trump don’t care about his kids…. if he could do it in a way that couldn’t be traced to him he would probably put the whole thing on Eric, and would only spare Don Jr because Don Jr shares his name.

I think you're right about that. And it probably goes both ways. I suspect Ivanka and Jared have sold him out already

That won't necessarily stop criminal proceedings against them. Kushner has the dirtiest hands in the bunch and Ivanka was cut a $100M check by the UAE for her "Womens Projects" (cough cough) with no accounting for those funds since

[nedleeds]

You linked to two articles that have nothing to do with what was said

The claim made was "vaccinated people spread the virus more than unvaccinated people"

Those articles are comparing people who got vaccinated after being infected with those vaccinated without being infected. It has nothing to do with the claim being made that "the CDC says unvaccinated people aren't transmitting after infection" because neither deal with unvaccinated individuals. If the argument was about whether or not "natural immunity" plus vaccination was better than just vaccination, then it'd be on topic, and you'd be posting evidence for vaccination, not against it

So again, source the original claim, don't post things that are unrelated.

Nedleeds already mentioned some other things but there is also this, studies linked in article:
https://covidcarealliance.com/cdc-admits-crushing-rights-of-naturally-immune-without-proof-they-transmit-the-virus/
After formal demand, the CDC concedes it does not have proof of a single instance of a naturally immune individual spreading the virus. https://www.sirillp.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/IR0552-CDC-Reinfection-and-Transmission_FINAL-5.pdf

4 studies mentioned showing transmission of CV via vaccinated who were infected (in the article).

Your original claim:

The good news with the unvaxxed is that according to the CDC they are not transmitting the virus after infection

So, in your words, the CDC says unvaccinated people with "natural immunity" are not spreading the virus. This is not what your "sources" say. What the CDC actually said was "we don't have data on that because we don't study that"

Which is not the same thing. This article from Politifact addresses this claim: https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/dec/02/ask-politifact-does-cdc-lack-data-reinfection-peop/

Does the CDC’s response to the record request mean that there’s no evidence of unvaccinated, previously infected people transmitting COVID-19? On its own, no.

CDC research shows that unvaccinated people with natural immunity can get COVID-19 again. But experts in health and public records explained that there’s a lack of data about whether those unvaccinated reinfected people can or have spread the virus to others. That lack of data doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen, they clarified.

In addition, they explained, the CDC would be unable to provide these kinds of documents due to specific federal FOIA guidelines.

Your 2nd link is just to a FOIA request that I assume the original article was talking about, so I don't know why you'd post it, cause it says nothing

So, your original claim was misinformation. The CDC never said unvaccinated people are not transmitting the virus. Since you have repeatedly failed to provide evidence to back up this claim, it will be flagged.

I'm not sure who or what you are disagreeing with at this point but here are my claims:

Immunity as measured by the same reliable antibody tests used to validate the vaccines efficacy in getting the EUA and later the full approval is an important factor in reducing severity to or completely avoiding covid infection (or any potential infection to which your body has produced ABs). This is basically stating freshman biology about how our immune system works. If you disagree with this you are a religious lunatic or hopelessly ignorant. This is of course why the vaccines are effective, they don't contain magic berries ... they rely on the patients immune system responding.

Seroprevalence and the various anti-SARS-CoV-2 IgG tests can't actually differentiate between IgG response from the mRNA vaccines or natural recovery. This is fairly unrelenting proof that the vaccines are effective.

Given the prior, if you measure your level of ABs and have an above median result (via the vaccine, natural immunity or both) then given the first you are far less likely to be symptomatic and based on basic biology your body will use the 'blueprint' from the antibody to fight off the virus (this is true for any virus your body has developed ABs for be it a rhinovirus or coronavirus).

Given that you aren't replicating the virus and creating net new virons we know you can't effectively spread it since we also know how viruses spread and have for 100 or so years. Virons. They get in your respiration and spread. Nothing very controversial here.

That's it.

The politics of why certain groups and people aren't pushing for anti-body testing is ancillary to the science.

The only thing remotely debatable is level of response and correlation with thousands of factors.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8475821/

So things like age, co-morbidities, severity of symptoms (in the case of natural immunity and the vaccines inducing them) are all factors in how "good" of a response the vaccines will produce or a patients immune system will produce in fighting off covid naturally.

So again, if our corrupt leaders were being scientific they'd be asking for "Immunity Passports" and not vaccine passports but they aren't.

If the oral mucosal fluid IgG tests prove to be accurate that might ease the burden (a blood draw is a pain) of effectively and quickly measuring a patients immunity. Pfizer won't like that of course.

[DOT]

I'm not sure who or what you are disagreeing with at this point but here are my claims:

I have repeatedly, clearly laid out exactly what I'm asking for

At this point, any further comments from you not pretending not to my points will be considered sealioning.

[Clyde_Style]

Ooooooo, a religious lunatic or hopelessly ignorant.

I’m sitting here waiting on K-Dot’s next post like its a Knicks playoff game

[nedleeds]

I'm not sure who or what you are disagreeing with at this point but here are my claims:

I have repeatedly, clearly laid out exactly what I'm asking for

At this point, any further comments from you not pretending not to my points will be considered sealioning.

OK, maybe I misunderstood. I also don't know what sealioning is.

"So, in your words, the CDC says unvaccinated people with "natural immunity" are not spreading the virus. This is not what your "sources" say. What the CDC actually said was "we don't have data on that because we don't study that""

I'll draw lines for you

Unvaccinated people with natural immunity or vaccinated people with successful induced immunity are capable of spreading the virus. They are far *less* likely to spread it because the entire result of immunity in our systems is to reduce the production of virons (or virion in some lexicon). Virons are what spread viruses. The viron is the whole envelope, not just residual RNA of a virus. In other words a viron is needed to deliver the virus to a new host. If you just inhaled raw covid rna it wouldn't do anything.

I guess I can some articles explaining this as maybe I'm starting off too high up the ladder.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7148619/
https://www.virology.ws/2010/07/22/the-virus-and-the-virion/

I guess if you don't "believe" that then I'm not really sure what to say. Then you don't believe the vaccines work and produce residual antibodies? I'm not really sure how to engage at that point.

Our human immune system when functioning well produces antibodies (to vaccines and naturally occurring recovery as it has for millions of years).

( I can link the EUA and full trial results showing they safely produce an antibody response but I don't think you disbelieve that )

therefore ...

Functioning matching antibodies prevent the disease by destroying (primarily by marking them for phagocytosis) the intruder and preventing it from replicating.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC5485277/

and since ...

Viruses spread (and harm their hosts) by replicating and being delivered (aerosol and fluid being the two main routes) to another host.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7148619/

If they replicate less, their time as a carrier is greatly shortened, which happens when the host has a robust level of immunity, they spread less.

Vaccination / Recovery -> Immune System Response -> Antibodies -> Shorter Time to Recovery, Less Viral Reproduction, Less Symptoms, Less Viral Load, Less Virulent Exhalation (or none) -> Less Likely to Spread Covid. This is why vaccination helps mitigate the spread.

[Capn'O]

Updated title

[blue and orange]

Covid is real but people gotta wake up and stop letting the government rule them it’s a perpetual cycle that you never get out of. Remember this video from 2020 in Canada.

Read on Twitter

[Clyde_Style]

Covid is real but people gotta wake up and stop letting the government rule them it’s a perpetual cycle that you never get out of. Remember this video from 2020 in Canada.

Read on Twitter

Right, so the first step to indoctrination and becoming a slave on the government dole is wearing a mask. That's moronic

[thebuzzardman]

Covid is real but people gotta wake up and stop letting the government rule them it’s a perpetual cycle that you never get out of. Remember this video from 2020 in Canada.

Read on Twitter

Right, so the first step to indoctrination and becoming a slave on the government dole is wearing a mask. That's moronic

I always take my political cues from obviously stupid knuckleheads in muscle shirts.