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[K_ick_God]

Mitchell handled that last second shot badly

[8516knicks]

[quote="Tron Carter"]Scottie: 14 points on 15 shots
RJ: 14 points on 9 shots


Feel like we're all gonna become BAD Raptor fans!

[mpharris36]

In all seriousness do people want to see RJ fail? He always was a good kid, he wanted to be a knick. Sure he never really blossomed here the way we wanted especially for the #3 pick. But he, like IQ, were really good dudes. They never got in trouble, they were hard workers, and just likable guys.

If we're being serious for a second, I think the issue for a lot of people is that the bolded question is asked from the same perspective that drives the cyclical debate about RJ on these forums the past few years. To many, myself included, RJ Barrett has already clearly failed. He has posted failure-level results in the NBA. There are numerous metrics that point out the depths of his negative impact, and they are ignored/brushed aside by many for the sake of an emotional connection to the player himself and/or the need for him to pan out for the team. A whole year of results, hell YEARS of results, are treated the same as a 7 game set, a great back to back, or even a lights out half.

So for some fans, RJ Barrett has already failed by objective measures, and the inability of others to acknowledge this creates an animus towards any concept based in the notion that he's somehow a solid option, good bet, or anything else that runs in stark contrast to what the measurables on him have clearly said for years now.

I think what you're seeing as rooting for RJ to fail is actually instigating those on the other side of the argument to finally acknowledge that he's a poor NBA basketball player on the whole, and not some intriguing prospect to dream on. I honestly think 99.44% of Knicks fans wouldn't be mad at all if RJ somehow became a completely different player in TOR and made a positive impact on the court, for all the reasons you laid out - he's a good kid, hard worker, head on straight, rode for the franchise, etc.

Just my opinion.

So think Knicks gave a 2nd contract to a player that failed? That makes no sense to me. And the perspective that IQ is the only piece of the trade doesn't make sense either. He wasn't a negative value contract. The raptors are starting him. He wasn't salary filler or they would have just taken Fournier.

We ended up moving two drafted players for a really important piece in OG. IQ was clearly the prize of the deal but IQ alone wasn't getting OG. It was clearly a package deal. So I don't understand the word failure. Thabeet was a bust and failure.

Did RJ develop and grow the way we wanted and expected? No. But failure...no way we have a different definition of the word failure.

[Jalen Bluntson]

In all seriousness do people want to see RJ fail? He always was a good kid, he wanted to be a knick. Sure he never really blossomed here the way we wanted especially for the #3 pick. But he, like IQ, were really good dudes. They never got in trouble, they were hard workers, and just likable guys.

If we're being serious for a second, I think the issue for a lot of people is that the bolded question is asked from the same perspective that drives the cyclical debate about RJ on these forums the past few years. To many, myself included, RJ Barrett has already clearly failed. He has posted failure-level results in the NBA. There are numerous metrics that point out the depths of his negative impact, and they are ignored/brushed aside by many for the sake of an emotional connection to the player himself and/or the need for him to pan out for the team. A whole year of results, hell YEARS of results, are treated the same as a 7 game set, a great back to back, or even a lights out half.

So for some fans, RJ Barrett has already failed by objective measures, and the inability of others to acknowledge this creates an animus towards any concept based in the notion that he's somehow a solid option, good bet, or anything else that runs in stark contrast to what the measurables on him have clearly said for years now.

I think what you're seeing as rooting for RJ to fail is actually instigating those on the other side of the argument to finally acknowledge that he's a poor NBA basketball player on the whole, and not some intriguing prospect to dream on. I honestly think 99.44% of Knicks fans wouldn't be mad at all if RJ somehow became a completely different player in TOR and made a positive impact on the court, for all the reasons you laid out - he's a good kid, hard worker, head on straight, rode for the franchise, etc.

Just my opinion.

I think most of it is agenda driven. Trolling and the like. RJ still has time to put it together. He's only 23 and is better than Randle was after 4 years for comparison. At least as good. He showed flashes quite often and had 1/4 season runs and 1/4 season slumps at a time. He just never became consistently good. His book isn't finished so, people doing victory laps now that he's gone is still premature.

I'm glad it's over though. I was rooting for him but, he doused my fire this season when he regressed. Hearing him say he grew up a raptors fan was the final straw!!!

[8516knicks]

In all seriousness do people want to see RJ fail? He always was a good kid, he wanted to be a knick. Sure he never really blossomed here the way we wanted especially for the #3 pick. But he, like IQ, were really good dudes. They never got in trouble, they were hard workers, and just likable guys.

If we're being serious for a second, I think the issue for a lot of people is that the bolded question is asked from the same perspective that drives the cyclical debate about RJ on these forums the past few years. To many, myself included, RJ Barrett has already clearly failed. He has posted failure-level results in the NBA. There are numerous metrics that point out the depths of his negative impact, and they are ignored/brushed aside by many for the sake of an emotional connection to the player himself and/or the need for him to pan out for the team. A whole year of results, hell YEARS of results, are treated the same as a 7 game set, a great back to back, or even a lights out half.

So for some fans, RJ Barrett has already failed by objective measures, and the inability of others to acknowledge this creates an animus towards any concept based in the notion that he's somehow a solid option, good bet, or anything else that runs in stark contrast to what the measurables on him have clearly said for years now.

I think what you're seeing as rooting for RJ to fail is actually instigating those on the other side of the argument to finally acknowledge that he's a poor NBA basketball player on the whole, and not some intriguing prospect to dream on. I honestly think 99.44% of Knicks fans wouldn't be mad at all if RJ somehow became a completely different player in TOR and made a positive impact on the court, for all the reasons you laid out - he's a good kid, hard worker, head on straight, rode for the franchise, etc.

Just my opinion.

So think Knicks gave a 2nd contract to a player that failed? That makes no sense to me. And the perspective that IQ is the only piece of the trade doesn't make sense either. He wasn't a negative value contract. The raptors are starting him. He wasn't salary filler or they would have just taken Fournier.

We ended up moving two drafted players for a really important piece in OG. IQ was clearly the prize of the deal but IQ alone wasn't getting OG. It was clearly a package deal. So I don't understand the word failure. Thabeet was a bust and failure.

Did RJ develop and grow the way we wanted and expected? No. But failure...no way we have a different definition of the word failure.

RJ wasn't a failure as a #3. See Okafur. But he was a slight dissapointment.

[Deeeez Knicks]

RJ getting a standing ovation

[knicksNOTslick]

RJ trifecta in a nutshell on full display:

(1) Travel
(2) Offensive Foul
(3) Brick layup coast to coast

Getting OG back is legitimately one of the best deals that we’ve made in a long time.

Apart from that bad stretch, not a bad game for RJ so far. He's still inconsistent in the same game.

[8516knicks]

Funny that their game turning out like ours - they could lose to the Cavs.

[mpharris36]

If we're being serious for a second, I think the issue for a lot of people is that the bolded question is asked from the same perspective that drives the cyclical debate about RJ on these forums the past few years. To many, myself included, RJ Barrett has already clearly failed. He has posted failure-level results in the NBA. There are numerous metrics that point out the depths of his negative impact, and they are ignored/brushed aside by many for the sake of an emotional connection to the player himself and/or the need for him to pan out for the team. A whole year of results, hell YEARS of results, are treated the same as a 7 game set, a great back to back, or even a lights out half.

So for some fans, RJ Barrett has already failed by objective measures, and the inability of others to acknowledge this creates an animus towards any concept based in the notion that he's somehow a solid option, good bet, or anything else that runs in stark contrast to what the measurables on him have clearly said for years now.

I think what you're seeing as rooting for RJ to fail is actually instigating those on the other side of the argument to finally acknowledge that he's a poor NBA basketball player on the whole, and not some intriguing prospect to dream on. I honestly think 99.44% of Knicks fans wouldn't be mad at all if RJ somehow became a completely different player in TOR and made a positive impact on the court, for all the reasons you laid out - he's a good kid, hard worker, head on straight, rode for the franchise, etc.

Just my opinion.

So think Knicks gave a 2nd contract to a player that failed? That makes no sense to me. And the perspective that IQ is the only piece of the trade doesn't make sense either. He wasn't a negative value contract. The raptors are starting him. He wasn't salary filler or they would have just taken Fournier.

We ended up moving two drafted players for a really important piece in OG. IQ was clearly the prize of the deal but IQ alone wasn't getting OG. It was clearly a package deal. So I don't understand the word failure. Thabeet was a bust and failure.

Did RJ develop and grow the way we wanted and expected? No. But failure...no way we have a different definition of the word failure.

RJ wasn't a failure as a #3. See Okafur. But he was a slight dissapointment.

fair, he def didn't develop the way I wanted or expected. There were glimpses of what he could have been (especially in last playoffs) but he was consistently inconsistent. And ultimately I believe the Knicks/Leon made the right call to move him.

We got a really good player back but no way was he a failure...you don't give a 2nd contract to a player thats a failure...

[god shammgod]

RJ getting a standing ovation

it's canada. they would clap if troy ave came and did a show for them.

[8516knicks]

RJ trifecta in a nutshell on full display:

(1) Travel
(2) Offensive Foul
(3) Brick layup coast to coast

Getting OG back is legitimately one of the best deals that we’ve made in a long time.

Apart from that bad stretch, not a bad game for RJ so far. He's still inconsistent in the same game.

Better than incontinent.

[DaGawd]

rj throwing the game ah ****

[god shammgod]

cavs have been awful for most of this game but still might win it

[3toheadmelo]

rj just forcing it way too much now and its got the cavs back in the game

[Gravy]

Raps getting the full RJ experience good and bad day 1

[Deeeez Knicks]

RJ getting a standing ovation

it's canada. they would clap if troy ave came and did a show for them.

I saw a game there once. It is weird. They do just give random standing ovations

[8516knicks]

Cavs bench esp LaVERT is the diff. Destroying them. 43-20.

[knicksNOTslick]

Raps getting the full RJ experience good and bad day 1

He's more fun to watch when he's on another team. You just never know which RJ you're gonna get in each play.

[god shammgod]

they took rj out. good call darko.

[8516knicks]

Raps getting the full RJ experience good and bad day 1

He's more fun to watch when he's on another team. You just never know which RJ you're gonna get in each play.

He's like a box of chocolates.