Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At?

[aggo]

last 2 years in the playoffs:

14 DNPs
46% TS


gives up on defense.

hes a stone cold loser.


Mitch on one leg and battling 2 bigs vs Cleveland showed more heart in 2 years than randle has in 5+.


dudes a quitter (see vs ATL) and this is before we even consider his injuries.

[3toheadmelo]

why would randle sign an extension now if he hasn't already?




its Jalen's team now and he's gonna cut himself out because he doesnt want to take a paycut. everyone sees this, including randle.

but what will your reaction be when he signs the extension

depression



resigning randle to anything more than whatever Brunson makes will be the biggest mistake this franchise will have made since Eddy Curry and Joakim Noah.

i hope we give him the max then

[aggo]

but what will your reaction be when he signs the extension

depression



resigning randle to anything more than whatever Brunson makes will be the biggest mistake this franchise will have made since Eddy Curry and Joakim Noah.

i hope we give him the max then

if that was the plan, it would've leaked already, just as every extension and trade rumor was leaked months to years ahead of time.


it took 2 weeks after the mikal trade was finalized for it to leak that he would take a team friendly extension when eligible
we got the brunson leak 6 months ago
we got the og leaks 2 years ago

[spree2kawhi]

After the Bridges and OG trades the Knicks likely won't have the assets to make the Kessler trade (knowing Ainge). Most likely replacement center for when Mitch gets injured is still going to be the less young upside-ish and less star studded group of Valanciunas, Richards, Adams, etc. Guys that are gettable and who's contracts can fit cap wise.

They’re all fine by me.

Agreed. I'd be ecstatic with any of those guys (especially along with a healthy Mitch) heading into the playoffs.

That is also fine by me.

[Besart19]

but what will your reaction be when he signs the extension

depression



resigning randle to anything more than whatever Brunson makes will be the biggest mistake this franchise will have made since Eddy Curry and Joakim Noah.

i hope we give him the max then

anything over 36M per is a mistake anyways... he would be untradable... if we wont accept a lower offer trade his ass along with Mitch for KAT

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks get a hentai watching backup center who hates Julius Randle yet?

[R-DAWG]

After the Bridges and OG trades the Knicks likely won't have the assets to make the Kessler trade (knowing Ainge). Most likely replacement center for when Mitch gets injured is still going to be the less young upside-ish and less star studded group of Valanciunas, Richards, Adams, etc. Guys that are gettable and who's contracts can fit cap wise.

They’re all fine by me.

Agreed. I'd be ecstatic with any of those guys (especially along with a healthy Mitch) heading into the playoffs.

The more I think about the C situation, the less concerned I get. Is it great, of course not. But what made Hartenstein so effective was playing hard. I think NY will be able to fill those hustle minutes -especially in the regular season - even if it means Thibs committing to 10-12 MPG of small ball with Randle at the 5.

The bigger issue to me remains shot creation and having a real #2 we can count on come playoff time.

Im not saying that C isn’t an issue - it is. But there are going to be multiple paths to replace 75% of what I-Hart provided while keeping Mitch with the limited assets we have in hand.

Landing an upgrade with the #2 scorer basically depends on the DET 1st conveying as a high lotto pick in a few years.

[R-DAWG]

yes he will.


randle doesnt wanna be here

when randle signs the extension what will your reaction be

Randle is 29 years old and is a highly skilled big. He isn't going anywhere, but if he does, the return will be substantial

Randle is turning 30 years old, coming off a 2nd straight season affected by injury, has a history of underperforming in the playoffs and is expecting a big contract extension.

I can’t think of a time where his value is going to be lower than it is now.

[3toheadmelo]

depression



resigning randle to anything more than whatever Brunson makes will be the biggest mistake this franchise will have made since Eddy Curry and Joakim Noah.

i hope we give him the max then

if that was the plan, it would've leaked already, just as every extension and trade rumor was leaked months to years ahead of time.


it took 2 weeks after the mikal trade was finalized for it to leak that he would take a team friendly extension when eligible
we got the brunson leak 6 months ago
we got the og leaks 2 years ago

we already got the leak that the Knicks don’t want to trade Randle at all agg0.

[R-DAWG]

Like the bridges and OG trades? I agree that it likely won’t happen, but I won’t be surprised if it does.

Before the bridges trade if you asked anyone who the Knicks were more likely to trade for, between Bridges and KAT, everyone would have said that KAT is more attainable.

Really, everyone thought getting Mikal off the Nets was impossible for the Knicks .

I learned not to doubt Leon the Don. He gits 'er dun.

Before the Bridges trade the Knicks were loaded with assets. They used those assets to get Bridges. We can debate if we feel the trade was an overpay or worth it. But it doesn’t change the fact that before the Bridges trade and this years draft we had all our future picks to trade, now we have none, and instead of 4 extras 1sts from other teams, we only have 2 - one of which is unlikely to convey.

So call a spade a spade - Leon paid anywhere between a very high price to an historic overpay for Bridges and will be operating with very few assets over the next 5 years.

[8516knicks]

Like the bridges and OG trades? I agree that it likely won’t happen, but I won’t be surprised if it does.

Before the bridges trade if you asked anyone who the Knicks were more likely to trade for, between Bridges and KAT, everyone would have said that KAT is more attainable.

Really, everyone thought getting Mikal off the Nets was impossible for the Knicks .

I learned not to doubt Leon the Don. He gits 'er dun.

Before the Bridges trade the Knicks were loaded with assets. They used those assets to get Bridges. We can debate if we feel the trade was an overpay or worth it. But it doesn’t change the fact that before the Bridges trade and this years draft we had all our future picks to trade, now we have none, and instead of 4 extras 1sts from other teams, we only have 2 - one of which is unlikely to convey.

So call a spade a spade - Leon paid anywhere between a very high price to an historic overpay for Bridges and will be operating with very few assets over the next 5 years.

There was nothing remotely close out there to get in that 5 year window anyway. Use it or lose it.

[DaGawd]

Before the bridges trade if you asked anyone who the Knicks were more likely to trade for, between Bridges and KAT, everyone would have said that KAT is more attainable.

Really, everyone thought getting Mikal off the Nets was impossible for the Knicks .

I learned not to doubt Leon the Don. He gits 'er dun.

Before the Bridges trade the Knicks were loaded with assets. They used those assets to get Bridges. We can debate if we feel the trade was an overpay or worth it. But it doesn’t change the fact that before the Bridges trade and this years draft we had all our future picks to trade, now we have none, and instead of 4 extras 1sts from other teams, we only have 2 - one of which is unlikely to convey.

So call a spade a spade - Leon paid anywhere between a very high price to an historic overpay for Bridges and will be operating with very few assets over the next 5 years.

There was nothing remotely close out there to get in that 5 year window anyway. Use it or lose it.

this, the longer we sat on the assets the further they would’ve depreciated. we had a short window to make the big deal and we made it within the window

[spree2kawhi]

Before the bridges trade if you asked anyone who the Knicks were more likely to trade for, between Bridges and KAT, everyone would have said that KAT is more attainable.

Really, everyone thought getting Mikal off the Nets was impossible for the Knicks .

I learned not to doubt Leon the Don. He gits 'er dun.

Before the Bridges trade the Knicks were loaded with assets. They used those assets to get Bridges. We can debate if we feel the trade was an overpay or worth it. But it doesn’t change the fact that before the Bridges trade and this years draft we had all our future picks to trade, now we have none, and instead of 4 extras 1sts from other teams, we only have 2 - one of which is unlikely to convey.

So call a spade a spade - Leon paid anywhere between a very high price to an historic overpay for Bridges and will be operating with very few assets over the next 5 years.

There was nothing remotely close out there to get in that 5 year window anyway. Use it or lose it.

I mean, Bridges is certainly worth the gamble. I just hope people here in this place remember how open they were to that trade if Bridges turns out to be an underperformer over the years.

In theory, he’s certainly the type of player to lift this promising roster over the top, fills structural needs and then there is the chemistry with the players already here. I wouldn’t call that an overpay.

[R-DAWG]

Before the Bridges trade the Knicks were loaded with assets. They used those assets to get Bridges. We can debate if we feel the trade was an overpay or worth it. But it doesn’t change the fact that before the Bridges trade and this years draft we had all our future picks to trade, now we have none, and instead of 4 extras 1sts from other teams, we only have 2 - one of which is unlikely to convey.

So call a spade a spade - Leon paid anywhere between a very high price to an historic overpay for Bridges and will be operating with very few assets over the next 5 years.

There was nothing remotely close out there to get in that 5 year window anyway. Use it or lose it.

I mean, Bridges is certainly worth the gamble. I just hope people here in this place remember how open they were to that trade if Bridges turns out to be an underperformer over the years.

In theory, he’s certainly the type of player to lift this promising roster over the top, fills structural needs and then there is the chemistry with the players already here. I wouldn’t call that an overpay.

No one is debating Bridges fit. But the price of 5 1st rd picks for an elite role player is more than most multi-time all-stars are acquired for. That's an overpay. A BMW 7-Serries is a great car, and we would all love to own one, just not at the cost of a Ferrari.

Why are our future draft picks 5-7 years down the road depreciating assets? And why was this a use it or lose it opportunity? And how do we know who/what will become available over a 5 year window.

I think turning Quickely into OG, while getting off RJ's money (needed to justify paying OG) was a use it or lose it opportunity.

Had the Bridges trade included a 2024 1st, and the DET 1st - then it was a little more use it or lose it. And frankly, I would feel so different about the trade if it was those 2 picks, plus the MIL and NY 25 and NY 27, even if it included the WAS 1st (likely 2 2nds) and a 26 swap. While that is still a substantial overpay, it's a 3 year window and then a path to a re-set (most NBA windows last closer to 3 years than 7 years)

I'm really surprised how people just undervalue the future, unprotected 1sts and why this offseason became a use it or lose it. These are probably the same people who thought using the amnesty on 1 year of Chauncy Billups to sign Tyson Chandler was use it or lose it.

Those unprotected future 1sts are like maxing out your credit cards - you don't feel it at first, but the bill comes due. You might love the Bridges trade and what this roster can be. But it's also not hard to look at the cost of this roster and see some of the impulsive decisions that have plugged this organization for decades - and a world where in 24 months we are looking at a bloated payroll and no future draft picks. For a team that is a fringe contender at best.

As I mentioned above, I'm all for adding Bridges to the roster. But overpaying in terms of picks and dollars and handcuffed this organization for decades.

[8516knicks]

There was nothing remotely close out there to get in that 5 year window anyway. Use it or lose it.

I mean, Bridges is certainly worth the gamble. I just hope people here in this place remember how open they were to that trade if Bridges turns out to be an underperformer over the years.

In theory, he’s certainly the type of player to lift this promising roster over the top, fills structural needs and then there is the chemistry with the players already here. I wouldn’t call that an overpay.

Why are our future draft picks 5-7 years down the road depreciating assets? And why was this a use it or lose it opportunity? And how do we know who/what will become available over a 5 year window.

I think turning Quickely into OG, while getting off RJ's money (needed to justify paying OG) was a use it or lose it opportunity.

Had the Bridges trade included a 2024 1st, and the DET 1st - then it was a little more use it or lose it. And frankly, I would feel so different about the trade if it was those 2 picks, plus the MIL and NY 25 and NY 27, even if it included the WAS 1st (likely 2 2nds) and a 26 swap. While that is still a substantial overpay, it's a 3 year window and then a path to a re-set (most NBA windows last closer to 3 years than 7 years)

I'm really surprised how people just undervalue the future, unprotected 1sts and why this offseason became a use it or lose it. These are probably the same people who thought using the amnesty on 1 year of Chauncy Billups to sign Tyson Chandler was use it or lose it.

Those unprotected future 1sts are like maxing out your credit cards - you don't feel it at first, but the bill comes due. You might love the Bridges trade and what this roster can be. But it's also not hard to look at the cost of this roster and see some of the impulsive decisions that have plugged this organization for decades - and a world where in 24 months we are looking at a bloated payroll and no future draft picks. For a team that is a fringe contender at best.

It's more of a "use 'em or lose'em" for Leon to make a splash for Dolan. On the other hand, while I like keeping picks, as many have pointed out more often they turn out to be a KNOX or FRANK than a Brunson. And given the success of this regime, you have to side with Leon's judgement until he pulls a couple of Knoxes.

[R-DAWG]

I mean, Bridges is certainly worth the gamble. I just hope people here in this place remember how open they were to that trade if Bridges turns out to be an underperformer over the years.

In theory, he’s certainly the type of player to lift this promising roster over the top, fills structural needs and then there is the chemistry with the players already here. I wouldn’t call that an overpay.

Why are our future draft picks 5-7 years down the road depreciating assets? And why was this a use it or lose it opportunity? And how do we know who/what will become available over a 5 year window.

I think turning Quickely into OG, while getting off RJ's money (needed to justify paying OG) was a use it or lose it opportunity.

Had the Bridges trade included a 2024 1st, and the DET 1st - then it was a little more use it or lose it. And frankly, I would feel so different about the trade if it was those 2 picks, plus the MIL and NY 25 and NY 27, even if it included the WAS 1st (likely 2 2nds) and a 26 swap. While that is still a substantial overpay, it's a 3 year window and then a path to a re-set (most NBA windows last closer to 3 years than 7 years)

I'm really surprised how people just undervalue the future, unprotected 1sts and why this offseason became a use it or lose it. These are probably the same people who thought using the amnesty on 1 year of Chauncy Billups to sign Tyson Chandler was use it or lose it.

Those unprotected future 1sts are like maxing out your credit cards - you don't feel it at first, but the bill comes due. You might love the Bridges trade and what this roster can be. But it's also not hard to look at the cost of this roster and see some of the impulsive decisions that have plugged this organization for decades - and a world where in 24 months we are looking at a bloated payroll and no future draft picks. For a team that is a fringe contender at best.

It's more of a "use 'em or lose'em" for Leon to make a splash for Dolan. On the other hand, while I like keeping picks, as many have pointed out more often they turn out to be a KNOX or FRANK than a Brunson. And given the success of this regime, you have to side with Leon's judgement until he pulls a couple of Knoxes.

Bill Simmons always talks about GM's trading future picks knowing that if it doesn't work out it will be someone else's headache.

Do I see a world where Leon Rose needed to win the press conference to get a contract extension - yes.

Has this type of move happened with Dolan before - yes.

Has it ever worked out - no.

Bridges is Tyson Chandler 2.0. Hopefully the window is longer than just one season and the high point is more than the 2nd rd of the playoffs.

[spree2kawhi]

Why are our future draft picks 5-7 years down the road depreciating assets? And why was this a use it or lose it opportunity? And how do we know who/what will become available over a 5 year window.

I think turning Quickely into OG, while getting off RJ's money (needed to justify paying OG) was a use it or lose it opportunity.

Had the Bridges trade included a 2024 1st, and the DET 1st - then it was a little more use it or lose it. And frankly, I would feel so different about the trade if it was those 2 picks, plus the MIL and NY 25 and NY 27, even if it included the WAS 1st (likely 2 2nds) and a 26 swap. While that is still a substantial overpay, it's a 3 year window and then a path to a re-set (most NBA windows last closer to 3 years than 7 years)

I'm really surprised how people just undervalue the future, unprotected 1sts and why this offseason became a use it or lose it. These are probably the same people who thought using the amnesty on 1 year of Chauncy Billups to sign Tyson Chandler was use it or lose it.

Those unprotected future 1sts are like maxing out your credit cards - you don't feel it at first, but the bill comes due. You might love the Bridges trade and what this roster can be. But it's also not hard to look at the cost of this roster and see some of the impulsive decisions that have plugged this organization for decades - and a world where in 24 months we are looking at a bloated payroll and no future draft picks. For a team that is a fringe contender at best.

It's more of a "use 'em or lose'em" for Leon to make a splash for Dolan. On the other hand, while I like keeping picks, as many have pointed out more often they turn out to be a KNOX or FRANK than a Brunson. And given the success of this regime, you have to side with Leon's judgement until he pulls a couple of Knoxes.

Bill Simmons always talks about GM's trading future picks knowing that if it doesn't work out it will be someone else's headache.

Do I see a world where Leon Rose needed to win the press conference to get a contract extension - yes.

Has this type of move happened with Dolan before - yes.

Has it ever worked out - no.

Bridges is Tyson Chandler 2.0. Hopefully the window is longer than just one season and the high point is more than the 2nd rd of the playoffs.

Since all of that is easily possible, I’d say it’s a decent trade.

[KnixinSix]

There was nothing remotely close out there to get in that 5 year window anyway. Use it or lose it.

I mean, Bridges is certainly worth the gamble. I just hope people here in this place remember how open they were to that trade if Bridges turns out to be an underperformer over the years.

In theory, he’s certainly the type of player to lift this promising roster over the top, fills structural needs and then there is the chemistry with the players already here. I wouldn’t call that an overpay.

No one is debating Bridges fit. But the price of 5 1st rd picks for an elite role player is more than most multi-time all-stars are acquired for. That's an overpay. A BMW 7-Serries is a great car, and we would all love to own one, just not at the cost of a Ferrari.

Why are our future draft picks 5-7 years down the road depreciating assets? And why was this a use it or lose it opportunity? And how do we know who/what will become available over a 5 year window.

I think turning Quickely into OG, while getting off RJ's money (needed to justify paying OG) was a use it or lose it opportunity.

Had the Bridges trade included a 2024 1st, and the DET 1st - then it was a little more use it or lose it. And frankly, I would feel so different about the trade if it was those 2 picks, plus the MIL and NY 25 and NY 27, even if it included the WAS 1st (likely 2 2nds) and a 26 swap. While that is still a substantial overpay, it's a 3 year window and then a path to a re-set (most NBA windows last closer to 3 years than 7 years)

I'm really surprised how people just undervalue the future, unprotected 1sts and why this offseason became a use it or lose it. These are probably the same people who thought using the amnesty on 1 year of Chauncy Billups to sign Tyson Chandler was use it or lose it.

Those unprotected future 1sts are like maxing out your credit cards - you don't feel it at first, but the bill comes due. You might love the Bridges trade and what this roster can be. But it's also not hard to look at the cost of this roster and see some of the impulsive decisions that have plugged this organization for decades - and a world where in 24 months we are looking at a bloated payroll and no future draft picks. For a team that is a fringe contender at best.

As I mentioned above, I'm all for adding Bridges to the roster. But overpaying in terms of picks and dollars and handcuffed this organization for decades.

I absolutely think it was an overpay. But they got perhaps one of the best fitting pieces for a Thibs coached roster they could get in the entire league.

If you believe Brunson is officially a top 10 player in the entire NBA and combine that with the elite defense and 3 point spacing we now have this team is absolutely a contender.

Now the huge X factor is Randle. He is a proven 25/10/5 guy but will he adapt to becoming a more team friendly scorer and score within the ebb and flow rather than ball stopping/ iso too much and trying to be the alpha?

He's showed strong signs of this before he went down so it is certainly possible. But this is probably the biggest factor of the team. A Randle that complements Brunson as a legit #2 scorer that plays within himself and the team makes this team a Finals contender.

Or of course you bring in a guy like KAT who can both take Randles role as the #2 scorer and play either 4 or the sorely needed 5 spot on this team.

[sol537]

Randle will do an opt-in and extend. $30m (final year) and then 3 more years at around $34m + $36M + $38m with the final year being a player option. So around 4 years $148m... Keeps us under the second apron for an extra season or two and lets us keep the core while upgrading around the edges.

[Juco24]

i hope we give him the max then

if that was the plan, it would've leaked already, just as every extension and trade rumor was leaked months to years ahead of time.


it took 2 weeks after the mikal trade was finalized for it to leak that he would take a team friendly extension when eligible
we got the brunson leak 6 months ago
we got the og leaks 2 years ago

we already got the leak that the Knicks don’t want to trade Randle at all agg0.

Why waste your breath bruh... some things are just too silly to even rebut