Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond

[spree2kawhi]

Any trade ideas using Precious contract to get 2 players back?

No, but Mitch, Achiuwa, Dadiet for Sexton, Kessler and a scrub.

[spree2kawhi]

Knicks will trade Mitch. Doesn't anyone pay attention to how Don Leon operates?

Knicks build up organizational depth at a position, then trade from that spot.

Right now the Knicks have FIVE centers.
KAT
Precious
Sims
Hukporti
Mitch

It isn't KAT. Might be Precious...will 6 million slot get you a decent player? Maybe. Not likely. Sims at 3 million? Probably not. Hukporti? No.
Mitch's 14 million? That would.

Achiuwa is great value at 6 mil. He simply hasn’t played yet, but if you asked me, I’d only trade him in a deal for Kessler. See above ^^ I think Utah might even consider it as they get to shed more salary and avoid losing Kessler and Sexton for nothing. I’d even throw in Kolek too.

[finestrg]

Anyone do this trade (either version) --

Jericho Sims, Kevin McCullar or Boo Buie (either guy's two-way contract is upgraded to a standard deal in order to make the money work) + 2 2nd round picks to Phoenix for Bol Bol and EJ Liddell?

-OR-

Pacome Dadiet, McCullar or Buie + 1 2nd rounder for Bol and Liddell? I could be convinced to up it to 2 2nd rounders if necessary.

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Just can't stomach not having enough front court depth anymore. Even though I can't see how Utah is this bad so far (maybe injuries because they have several nice, capable players I like a lot), the fact remains we got completely manhandled by a 3-12 team last night... Wasn't the first time this season, probably won't be the last time we see it.

Dadiet I'd hate to give up on--I think there's real potential for this guy to be a good 3&D wing--but you gotta give to get in the NBA. I don't see Carmelo Anthony here with this guy, nor do I see Kevin Knox either. With the defense he's shown since the SL (how about the 2 sequences he played great D on Collin Sexton last night?!?!) along with his ability to shoot 3s, I think Dadiet has shown he could probably already be a rotation player for quite a few NBA teams...McCullar, meanwhile, they'd have to continue rehabbing but this dude might have potential to become something close to Josh Hart eventually, and then PHX had Buie on their SL team so they are familiar with him and must like him at least a little (good scoring potential for a PG, kind of a poor man's Rob Dillingham)..

Now for us, Bol is 7'3" with some highly unusual skills for someone that big. Was listening to Shaq talk about Bol Bol comparing him to Wemby skill set-wise at that height, but saying he's lazy and may be satisfied with where he is right now. That he may not be motivated for anything more now that he made the NBA.. But what happens if he were to be traded to a win-now team like the NY Knicks that have the need to play him 15-20 mins a night right now? Then playing for a coach that demands D like Thibs? Could that motivate him? Could Thibs get the most out of this guy? Yeah, I'm thinking he could. And to be honest, I'm not sure I see an unmotivated player in any of the tape I've looked at. I see a guy who looked fully engaged, trying to make the most of his opportunities...Mitch will forever be a complete wildcard to me. I mean talk about unmotivated and complacent being where he is in the NBA right now.. Might as well be Mitchell Robinson I heard Shaq talking about and not Bol Bol!! lol And then not only that -- Mitch is always friggin' hurt man. As is, I think we're looking at February maybe early March to where Mitch might be back to playing 100%. Then what? It's just a matter of time before he gets hurt again?!? Who needs that **** over and over...He's just a hard guy to count on at this point... Meanwhile, I've liked Liddell going back to college at Ohio State. Here's a hybrid 3/4 that has real 3-level scoring ability at 6'7" 240-ish.. Plus he would add some rebounding and shot-blocking with his good length. To me, he's a composite of several really solid players -- PJ Washington/Ron Artest but then also some elements of Shane Battier/Gerald Wallace maybe? Very nice young two-way player here. Achiuwa comes back and then god forbid goes down again this season? No problem, next man up with Liddell (who might wind up being better than Achiuwa eventually in the long run).. Bol's 25 and Liddell's only 23 -- there's still plenty of upside her with each guy.

Thoughts?

[spree2kawhi]

Anyone do this trade (either version) --

Sims, McCullar or Boo Buie (either guy's two-way contract is upgraded to a standard deal in order to make the money work) + 2 2nd round picks to Phoenix for Bol Bol and EJ Liddell?

-OR-

Dadiet, McCullar or Buie + 1 2nd rounder for Bol and Liddell?

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Just can't stomach not having enough front court depth anymore. Even though I can't see how Utah is this bad so far (maybe injuries because they have several nice, capable players I like a lot), the fact remains we got completely manhandled by a 3-12 team last night... Wasn't the first time this season, probably won't be the last time we see it.

Dadiet I'd hate to give up on--I think there's real potential for this guy to be a good 3&D wing--but you gotta give to get in the NBA. I don't see Carmelo Anthony here with this guy, nor do I see Kevin Knox either. With the defense he's shown since the SL (how about the 2 sequences he played great D on Collin Sexton last night?!?!) along with his ability to shoot 3s, I think Dadiet has shown he could probably already be a rotation player for quite a few NBA teams...McCullar, meanwhile, they'd have to continue rehabbing but this dude might have potential to become something close to Josh Hart eventually, and then PHX had Buie on their SL team so they are familiar with him and must like him at least a little (good scoring potential for a PG, a poor man's Rob Dillingham)..

Now for us, Bol is 7'3" with some highly unusual skills for someone that big. Was listening to Shaq talk about Bol Bol comparing him to Wemby skill set-wise at that height, but saying he's lazy and may be satisfied with where he is right now. Shaq was saying he not be motivated for more. But what happens if he were to be traded to a win-now team like the NY Knicks that have the need to play him 15-20 mins a night right now? Then playing for a coach that demands D like Thibs? Could that motivate him? Could Thibs get the most out of this guy? Yeah, I'm thinking he could. Meanwhile, I've like Liddell going back to college at Ohio State. Here's a hybrid 3/4 that has 3-level scoring ability and could wind up being something close to Al Harrington maybe, only with more defense. Achiuwa comes back and then god forbid goes down again this season? No problem, next man up with Liddell (who might wind up being better than Achiuwa eventually)... Bol's 25 and Liddell's only 23 -- there's still plenty of upside her with each guy.

Thoughts?

I’d love it.

[ScienceOfLosing]

Any trade ideas using Precious contract to get 2 players back?

No, but Mitch, Achiuwa, Dadiet for Sexton, Kessler and a scrub.

We can’t trade what is becoming our backup wing in Dadiet, for a center. Dadiet looks great, for a 19 year old anyway.
I hope we find a way to get Kessler though.

[3toheadmelo]

Does Precious or Mitch for rob williams work?

[cgf]

Does Precious or Mitch for rob williams work?

Mitch does, but timelord is even more frail

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks trade Mitch yet?

[cgf]

Any trade ideas using Precious contract to get 2 players back?

No, but Mitch, Achiuwa, Dadiet for Sexton, Kessler and a scrub.

We can’t trade what is becoming our backup wing in Dadiet, for a center. Dadiet looks great, for a 19 year old anyway.
I hope we find a way to get Kessler though.

If we get a center who can start, Hart becomes our backup wing.

Brunson - Bridges - Anunoby - Towns - Robinson
Payne - McBride - Hart - Achiuwa

[moocow007]

Anyone do this trade (either version) --

Jericho Sims, Kevin McCullar or Boo Buie (either guy's two-way contract is upgraded to a standard deal in order to make the money work) + 2 2nd round picks to Phoenix for Bol Bol and EJ Liddell?

-OR-

Pacome Dadiet, McCullar or Buie + 1 2nd rounder for Bol and Liddell? I could be convinced to up it to 2 2nd rounders if necessary.

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Just can't stomach not having enough front court depth anymore. Even though I can't see how Utah is this bad so far (maybe injuries because they have several nice, capable players I like a lot), the fact remains we got completely manhandled by a 3-12 team last night... Wasn't the first time this season, probably won't be the last time we see it.

Dadiet I'd hate to give up on--I think there's real potential for this guy to be a good 3&D wing--but you gotta give to get in the NBA. I don't see Carmelo Anthony here with this guy, nor do I see Kevin Knox either. With the defense he's shown since the SL (how about the 2 sequences he played great D on Collin Sexton last night?!?!) along with his ability to shoot 3s, I think Dadiet has shown he could probably already be a rotation player for quite a few NBA teams...McCullar, meanwhile, they'd have to continue rehabbing but this dude might have potential to become something close to Josh Hart eventually, and then PHX had Buie on their SL team so they are familiar with him and must like him at least a little (good scoring potential for a PG, kind of a poor man's Rob Dillingham)..

Now for us, Bol is 7'3" with some highly unusual skills for someone that big. Was listening to Shaq talk about Bol Bol comparing him to Wemby skill set-wise at that height, but saying he's lazy and may be satisfied with where he is right now. That he may not be motivated for anything more now that he made the NBA.. But what happens if he were to be traded to a win-now team like the NY Knicks that have the need to play him 15-20 mins a night right now? Then playing for a coach that demands D like Thibs? Could that motivate him? Could Thibs get the most out of this guy? Yeah, I'm thinking he could. And to be honest, I'm not sure I see an unmotivated player in any of the tape I've looked at. I see a guy who looked fully engaged, trying to make the most of his opportunities...Mitch will forever be a complete wildcard to me. I mean talk about unmotivated and complacent being where he is in the NBA right now.. Might as well be Mitchell Robinson I heard Shaq talking about and not Bol Bol!! lol And then not only that -- Mitch is always friggin' hurt man. As is, I think we're looking at February maybe early March to where Mitch might be back to playing 100%. Then what? It's just a matter of time before he gets hurt again?!? Who needs that **** over and over...He's just a hard guy to count on at this point... Meanwhile, I've liked Liddell going back to college at Ohio State. Here's a hybrid 3/4 that has real 3-level scoring ability at 6'7" 240-ish.. Plus he would add some rebounding and shot-blocking with his good length. To me, he's a composite of several really solid players -- PJ Washington/Ron Artest but then also some elements of Shane Battier/Gerald Wallace maybe? Very nice young two-way player here. Achiuwa comes back and then god forbid goes down again this season? No problem, next man up with Liddell (who might wind up being better than Achiuwa eventually in the long run).. Bol's 25 and Liddell's only 23 -- there's still plenty of upside her with each guy.

Thoughts?

EJ Liddell and Bol Bol are on 2 different teams aren't they?

As far as the trade? I don't know about Thibs being able to bring out the best of Bol Bol. More likely that once Thibs takes a gander at Bol Bol's work ethic he'll be getting the Cam Reddish treatment.

I do agree that the Knicks need more punch in the front court. Specifically at the PF position. Towns is a modern day C. But I would expect that to really address that would involve either a bigger trade for a more established player or an eventual signing of a vet at some point soon.

[moocow007]

If Utah will go for it and neither Dadiet nor Hukporti have forced themselves into the rotation by the deadline, who would do Dadiet + Sims + WSH FRP for Kessler?

Brunson - Bridges - Anunoby - Towns - Robinson
Payne - McBride - Hart - Achiuwa - Kessler
Kolek - Hukporti

We need another scoring bench guard or wing more than we need a center, it makes no sense to trade for Kessler if Robinson is still on the team, Kessler is a starting C.

Scoring bench guard -> Jordan Clarkson

The trade is going to be Miles McBride and Mitchell Robinson to the Utah Jazz for Walker Kessler and Jordan Clarkson

I'm calling it now

That would make a lot of sense for the Knicks IMO.

[3toheadmelo]

Does Precious or Mitch for rob williams work?

Mitch does, but timelord is even more frail

Yes but at least he’s healthy right now and in shape

[moocow007]

The problem with trades is salary and aprons.
...
the two guys that pop to mind are Trey Murphy and Kyle Kuzma.
...
Contracts would be a potential issue was both Kuzma and Murphy make noticeably more than Mitch but that probably won't be too much of a problem for Brock Aller to figure out. What other assets would have to be included?

Are you talking about this season? For Kuz the apron-salary hit is about 12m. Kuz's hit is close to 27m, Mitch 's somwhere in the 14ms. That's only possible if you throw in Hart as well.

Are you talking about next off season? How are you going to reach Kuz's salary with 12m of Mitch?

For Murphy .. ok so maybe you somehow engineer a deal for this season. But then you've added another 13m of apron-hit when the Knicks were already only 11.5m below the 2nd apron with only 10 players on the roster.

I'm sure they can figure out some magical contract that can make this fit under the apron without sacrificing Hart. And I'm talking this season. They need to make a push this season.

[sol537]

If we make any trades, it needs to bring back elite defenders. No to Clarkson or Kuzma... sorry. Not sorry.

[spree2kawhi]

We need another scoring bench guard or wing more than we need a center, it makes no sense to trade for Kessler if Robinson is still on the team, Kessler is a starting C.

Scoring bench guard -> Jordan Clarkson

The trade is going to be Miles McBride and Mitchell Robinson to the Utah Jazz for Walker Kessler and Jordan Clarkson

I'm calling it now

That would make a lot of sense for the Knicks IMO.

Sexton instead, please.

[ScienceOfLosing]

No, but Mitch, Achiuwa, Dadiet for Sexton, Kessler and a scrub.

We can’t trade what is becoming our backup wing in Dadiet, for a center. Dadiet looks great, for a 19 year old anyway.
I hope we find a way to get Kessler though.

If we get a center who can start, Hart becomes our backup wing.

Brunson - Bridges - Anunoby - Towns - Robinson
Payne - McBride - Hart - Achiuwa

True. You think Thibs wants a defensive center? I imagine so.
But Robinsons health makes me think he would come off the bench.

So, I could see the FO trading Dadiet and Hulk for Kessler. (Or stg to make salaries work, more players e.g. Mitch, etc.)

That said could be VERY risky in many ways changing KAT to a 4.

[finestrg]

Anyone do this trade (either version) --

Jericho Sims, Kevin McCullar or Boo Buie (either guy's two-way contract is upgraded to a standard deal in order to make the money work) + 2 2nd round picks to Phoenix for Bol Bol and EJ Liddell?

-OR-

Pacome Dadiet, McCullar or Buie + 1 2nd rounder for Bol and Liddell? I could be convinced to up it to 2 2nd rounders if necessary.

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Just can't stomach not having enough front court depth anymore. Even though I can't see how Utah is this bad so far (maybe injuries because they have several nice, capable players I like a lot), the fact remains we got completely manhandled by a 3-12 team last night... Wasn't the first time this season, probably won't be the last time we see it.

Dadiet I'd hate to give up on--I think there's real potential for this guy to be a good 3&D wing--but you gotta give to get in the NBA. I don't see Carmelo Anthony here with this guy, nor do I see Kevin Knox either. With the defense he's shown since the SL (how about the 2 sequences he played great D on Collin Sexton last night?!?!) along with his ability to shoot 3s, I think Dadiet has shown he could probably already be a rotation player for quite a few NBA teams...McCullar, meanwhile, they'd have to continue rehabbing but this dude might have potential to become something close to Josh Hart eventually, and then PHX had Buie on their SL team so they are familiar with him and must like him at least a little (good scoring potential for a PG, kind of a poor man's Rob Dillingham)..

Now for us, Bol is 7'3" with some highly unusual skills for someone that big. Was listening to Shaq talk about Bol Bol comparing him to Wemby skill set-wise at that height, but saying he's lazy and may be satisfied with where he is right now. That he may not be motivated for anything more now that he made the NBA.. But what happens if he were to be traded to a win-now team like the NY Knicks that have the need to play him 15-20 mins a night right now? Then playing for a coach that demands D like Thibs? Could that motivate him? Could Thibs get the most out of this guy? Yeah, I'm thinking he could. And to be honest, I'm not sure I see an unmotivated player in any of the tape I've looked at. I see a guy who looked fully engaged, trying to make the most of his opportunities...Mitch will forever be a complete wildcard to me. I mean talk about unmotivated and complacent being where he is in the NBA right now.. Might as well be Mitchell Robinson I heard Shaq talking about and not Bol Bol!! lol And then not only that -- Mitch is always friggin' hurt man. As is, I think we're looking at February maybe early March to where Mitch might be back to playing 100%. Then what? It's just a matter of time before he gets hurt again?!? Who needs that **** over and over...He's just a hard guy to count on at this point... Meanwhile, I've liked Liddell going back to college at Ohio State. Here's a hybrid 3/4 that has real 3-level scoring ability at 6'7" 240-ish.. Plus he would add some rebounding and shot-blocking with his good length. To me, he's a composite of several really solid players -- PJ Washington/Ron Artest but then also some elements of Shane Battier/Gerald Wallace maybe? Very nice young two-way player here. Achiuwa comes back and then god forbid goes down again this season? No problem, next man up with Liddell (who might wind up being better than Achiuwa eventually in the long run).. Bol's 25 and Liddell's only 23 -- there's still plenty of upside her with each guy.

Thoughts?

EJ Liddell and Bol Bol are on 2 different teams aren't they?

As far as the trade? I don't know about Thibs being able to bring out the best of Bol Bol. More likely that once Thibs takes a gander at Bol Bol's work ethic he'll be getting the Cam Reddish treatment.

I do agree that the Knicks need more punch in the front court. Specifically at the PF position. Towns is a modern day C. But I would expect that to really address that would involve either a bigger trade for a more established player or an eventual signing of a vet at some point soon.

You know what, you're right! I was looking at NBA rosters on Hoopshype's team salary pages and they had Bol and Liddell both on PHX -- Liddell's actually on Chicago I think.. My bad. I would've done that trade too, damn. Back to the drawing board. lol

Hoping and praying Achiuwa adds that front court punch we both agree we need. He's a pretty big cut above Sims and Huk even though he's a little smaller, so he should help...Just would love to see us go even one front court big deeper. Just not sure what we're going to get out of Mitch to be honest. They're saying January/February until Mitch makes it back, but how long until we actually see him operating at 100%? More like February/March I'm thinking. Then sadly, he's just one game away from his next injury. So sad but true.. That's the dude's track record unfortunately.

Yep, would love to add a good quality vet big man but I think the Matt Ryan signing may have killed that. As far as I knew, their plan was to draft Ryan ans Shamet in the GL draft 1 and 2, convert Ryan to a standard deal and add him to the roster which they did, and then sign Shamet to a reduced vet minimum deal if/when his shoulder has healed. I could be wrong but I don't think there's any further wiggle room left to maneuver without going into the 2nd Apron. A shame because I really think TJ Warren could've helped us on a vet min. deal. Or a decent vet big for the min like you said, whoever that may be... Maybe there's still a chance to do that, who knows..

[cgf]

Does Precious or Mitch for rob williams work?

Mitch does, but timelord is even more frail

Yes but at least he’s healthy right now and in shape

...with how fragile both are, is that a good thing? We need a healthy defensive anchor in the spring, we can get by for now.

Especially with Precious getting back soon and a possible Dadiet + Sims + WSH FRP for Kessler trade closer to the deadline.

[spree2kawhi]

We can’t trade what is becoming our backup wing in Dadiet, for a center. Dadiet looks great, for a 19 year old anyway.
I hope we find a way to get Kessler though.

If we get a center who can start, Hart becomes our backup wing.

Brunson - Bridges - Anunoby - Towns - Robinson
Payne - McBride - Hart - Achiuwa

True. You think Thibs wants a defensive center? I imagine so.
But Robinsons health makes me think he would come off the bench.

So, I could see the FO trading Dadiet and Hulk for Kessler. (Or stg to make salaries work, more players e.g. Mitch, etc.)

That said could be VERY risky in many ways changing KAT to a 4.

Towns will play center most of the time, but might start at the 4. I think that’s smart.

[Chanel Bomber]

Does Precious or Mitch for rob williams work?

Precious for Westbrook