Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

[Knicksfan1992]

Since y'all love to talk about advanced numbers and where our team "should be"... if you skip past the 3-6 start to the season and take our numbers from the 10th game on (21 games so more than enough of a sample size) we have an even efficiency differential so the way I see it is this team is right around where they should be and anybody predicting a major fall-off because of skewed numbers from the first 9 games of the season is using flawed logic.

Also, does it really feel like we are playing our best basketball right now? There's a lot of upside with this team just based on Joakim Noah alone.... People want this team to fall off so bad just to get their tank agenda out there. So damn annoying...

[blueNorange]

Since y'all love to talk about advanced numbers and where our team "should be"... if you skip past the 3-6 start to the season and take our numbers from the 10th game on (21 games so more than enough of a sample size) we have an even efficiency differential so the way I see it is this team is right around where they should be and anybody predicting a major fall-off because of skewed numbers from the first 9 games of the season is using flawed logic.

Also, does it really feel like we are playing our best basketball right now? There's a lot of upside with this team just based on Joakim Noah alone.... People want this team to fall off so bad just to get their tank agenda out there. So damn annoying...

if you remove all the losses, the knicks are 16-0

[Knicksfan1992]

Since y'all love to talk about advanced numbers and where our team "should be"... if you skip past the 3-6 start to the season and take our numbers from the 10th game on (21 games so more than enough of a sample size) we have an even efficiency differential so the way I see it is this team is right around where they should be and anybody predicting a major fall-off because of skewed numbers from the first 9 games of the season is using flawed logic.

Also, does it really feel like we are playing our best basketball right now? There's a lot of upside with this team just based on Joakim Noah alone.... People want this team to fall off so bad just to get their tank agenda out there. So damn annoying...

if you remove all the losses, the knicks are 16-0

There are context to things which you don't seem to understand ever. I'm not removing the losses. They didn't have Noah back completely healthy at that time and Rose missed the entire pre-season. Add that on top of a hard schedule and I don't think it's fair to judge this team based on that 9 game stretch. As opposed to the past 21 games where we've been relatively healthy and have had our full team to work with.

[blueNorange]

Since y'all love to talk about advanced numbers and where our team "should be"... if you skip past the 3-6 start to the season and take our numbers from the 10th game on (21 games so more than enough of a sample size) we have an even efficiency differential so the way I see it is this team is right around where they should be and anybody predicting a major fall-off because of skewed numbers from the first 9 games of the season is using flawed logic.

Also, does it really feel like we are playing our best basketball right now? There's a lot of upside with this team just based on Joakim Noah alone.... People want this team to fall off so bad just to get their tank agenda out there. So damn annoying...

if you remove all the losses, the knicks are 16-0

There are context to things which you don't seem to understand ever. I'm not removing the losses. They didn't have Noah back completely healthy at that time and Rose missed the entire pre-season. Add that on top of a hard schedule and I don't think it's fair to judge this team based on that 9 game stretch. As opposed to the past 21 games where we've been relatively healthy and have had our full team to work with.

the knicks have a NEGATIVE 2.34 point differential in their games, that means they've won games they could've easily lost

they can't win on the road and can't beat good teams, so stop it with the numbers skews. this is a .500 team.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Since y'all love to talk about advanced numbers and where our team "should be"... if you skip past the 3-6 start to the season and take our numbers from the 10th game on (21 games so more than enough of a sample size) we have an even efficiency differential so the way I see it is this team is right around where they should be and anybody predicting a major fall-off because of skewed numbers from the first 9 games of the season is using flawed logic.

Also, does it really feel like we are playing our best basketball right now? There's a lot of upside with this team just based on Joakim Noah alone.... People want this team to fall off so bad just to get their tank agenda out there. So damn annoying...

The reason I don't really like this kind of stuff is because any .500 team could remove portions of their schedule to make them look better than they really are.

For me, the point differential isn't even the biggest thing...it's the fact that we're 24th in defense (only ahead of the 25th ranked defense by 0.2 points/100), and it's not like our offense is so amazing or so elite to compensate for that. I think that eventually it will catch up with us unless there's some real improvement. The last bottom 5 defensive team to make the playoffs was the Wizards back in 07. Also, we've been relatively healthy...maybe it will last, but maybe it won't. This team is kinda thin at key spots. I mean, Lee is out and all of the sudden we're playing a non-NBA player in Sasha Vujacic 27 minutes. If Rose misses time, then Jennings becomes a starter and we're then relying on Ron Baker. I think we'll make the playoffs, but I'm not 100% confident in this team yet.

[Capn'O]

Since y'all love to talk about advanced numbers and where our team "should be"... if you skip past the 3-6 start to the season and take our numbers from the 10th game on (21 games so more than enough of a sample size) we have an even efficiency differential so the way I see it is this team is right around where they should be and anybody predicting a major fall-off because of skewed numbers from the first 9 games of the season is using flawed logic.

Also, does it really feel like we are playing our best basketball right now? There's a lot of upside with this team just based on Joakim Noah alone.... People want this team to fall off so bad just to get their tank agenda out there. So damn annoying...

The reason I don't really like this kind of stuff is because any .500 team could remove portions of their schedule to make them look better than they really are.

For me, the point differential isn't even the biggest thing...it's the fact that we're 24th in defense (only ahead of the 25th ranked defense by 0.2 points/100), and it's not like our offense is so amazing or so elite to compensate for that. I think that eventually it will catch up with us unless there's some real improvement. The last bottom 5 defensive team to make the playoffs was the Wizards back in 07. Also, we've been relatively healthy...maybe it will last, but maybe it won't. This team is kinda thin at key spots. I mean, Lee is out and all of the sudden we're playing a non-NBA player in Sasha Vujacic 27 minutes. If Rose misses time, then Jennings becomes a starter and we're then relying on Ron Baker. I think we'll make the playoffs, but I'm not 100% confident in this team yet.

I think we were either dead last or 29th at the end of November. If the Knicks improve it will be because the defense continues to step forward via chemistry, rotation familiarity, and Noah's improving health.

[AmazingJason]

Since y'all love to talk about advanced numbers and where our team "should be"... if you skip past the 3-6 start to the season and take our numbers from the 10th game on (21 games so more than enough of a sample size) we have an even efficiency differential so the way I see it is this team is right around where they should be and anybody predicting a major fall-off because of skewed numbers from the first 9 games of the season is using flawed logic.

Also, does it really feel like we are playing our best basketball right now? There's a lot of upside with this team just based on Joakim Noah alone.... People want this team to fall off so bad just to get their tank agenda out there. So damn annoying...

if you remove all the losses, the knicks are 16-0

The moment we get Ntikilina, nobody will remember we stealth tanked Just like after we got KP, everyone forgot the Melo injury, 17 wins, Fisher and THJ ruining the tank.

[SH0KASE]

As much as I love his ability to drive which we havent had for like 10 years, it is always 1 dimensional. He never drives and kicks. He has head down mentality and doesnt create for others. His defense is not the best.

We can probably sign someone much cheaper and use that money to upgrade our backup wing which will be critical as melo keeps falling off at considerate rate.

[Fat Kat]

As much as I love his ability to drive which we havent had for like 10 years, it is always 1 dimensional. He never drives and kicks. He has head down mentality and doesnt create for others. His defense is not the best.

We can probably sign someone much cheaper and use that money to upgrade our backup wing which will be critical as melo keeps falling off at considerate rate.

He drives and kicks all of the time, but who is the "much cheaper" player that you have in mind? Also what backup wing do you have in mind that's an upgrade over Holiday and Kuz?

[Knicksfan1992]

Since y'all love to talk about advanced numbers and where our team "should be"... if you skip past the 3-6 start to the season and take our numbers from the 10th game on (21 games so more than enough of a sample size) we have an even efficiency differential so the way I see it is this team is right around where they should be and anybody predicting a major fall-off because of skewed numbers from the first 9 games of the season is using flawed logic.

Also, does it really feel like we are playing our best basketball right now? There's a lot of upside with this team just based on Joakim Noah alone.... People want this team to fall off so bad just to get their tank agenda out there. So damn annoying...

The reason I don't really like this kind of stuff is because any .500 team could remove portions of their schedule to make them look better than they really are.

For me, the point differential isn't even the biggest thing...it's the fact that we're 24th in defense (only ahead of the 25th ranked defense by 0.2 points/100), and it's not like our offense is so amazing or so elite to compensate for that. I think that eventually it will catch up with us unless there's some real improvement. The last bottom 5 defensive team to make the playoffs was the Wizards back in 07. Also, we've been relatively healthy...maybe it will last, but maybe it won't. This team is kinda thin at key spots. I mean, Lee is out and all of the sudden we're playing a non-NBA player in Sasha Vujacic 27 minutes. If Rose misses time, then Jennings becomes a starter and we're then relying on Ron Baker. I think we'll make the playoffs, but I'm not 100% confident in this team yet.

Our defense isn't great but, it's improved after a really bad start. Again, I'm not going to judge this team based on those first 9 games where we really tanked our defensive rating badly. I highly doubt this team stays a bottom 5 defense. And if you look we actually aren't anymore. We have too many decent to good defenders to be that bad.

[AmazingJason]

As much as I love his ability to drive which we havent had for like 10 years, it is always 1 dimensional. He never drives and kicks. He has head down mentality and doesnt create for others. His defense is not the best.

We can probably sign someone much cheaper and use that money to upgrade our backup wing which will be critical as melo keeps falling off at considerate rate.

He drives and kicks all of the time, but who is the "much cheaper" player that you have in mind? Also what backup wing do you have in mind that's an upgrade over Holiday and Kuz?

Here's a list of the best upcoming FA point guards: http://hoopshype.com/2016/11/01/nba-free-agency-2017-point-guards

Pretty much everyone there is getting the max. The only "cheap" guy is Rondo, but if you sign Rondo, a lot of fans are going outright quit the team because watching a lineup with Rondo and Noah in it will make them want to hurt themselves The only other viable option is Patty Mills, an older career bench player.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Since y'all love to talk about advanced numbers and where our team "should be"... if you skip past the 3-6 start to the season and take our numbers from the 10th game on (21 games so more than enough of a sample size) we have an even efficiency differential so the way I see it is this team is right around where they should be and anybody predicting a major fall-off because of skewed numbers from the first 9 games of the season is using flawed logic.

Also, does it really feel like we are playing our best basketball right now? There's a lot of upside with this team just based on Joakim Noah alone.... People want this team to fall off so bad just to get their tank agenda out there. So damn annoying...

The reason I don't really like this kind of stuff is because any .500 team could remove portions of their schedule to make them look better than they really are.

For me, the point differential isn't even the biggest thing...it's the fact that we're 24th in defense (only ahead of the 25th ranked defense by 0.2 points/100), and it's not like our offense is so amazing or so elite to compensate for that. I think that eventually it will catch up with us unless there's some real improvement. The last bottom 5 defensive team to make the playoffs was the Wizards back in 07. Also, we've been relatively healthy...maybe it will last, but maybe it won't. This team is kinda thin at key spots. I mean, Lee is out and all of the sudden we're playing a non-NBA player in Sasha Vujacic 27 minutes. If Rose misses time, then Jennings becomes a starter and we're then relying on Ron Baker. I think we'll make the playoffs, but I'm not 100% confident in this team yet.

Our defense isn't great but, it's improved after a really bad start. Again, I'm not going to judge this team based on those first 9 games where we really tanked our defensive rating badly. I highly doubt this team stays a bottom 5 defense. And if you look we actually aren't anymore. We have too many decent to good defenders to be that bad.

We probably won't stay bottom 5, but I'd be willing to guarantee that we finish bottom 10 defensively. It's really hard to make the playoffs with a bottom 10 defense and average-ish offense (we're ranked 15th at the moment). We have a few decent-good defenders, but we have some pretty bad defenders as well. It took us over 30 games into the season to finally get out of the bottom 5 defensively, and just barely. These are troubling signs to me...especially since I don't think we'll become a top 10 offense. If u go back and look at the teams that were bottom 10 defensively that made the playoffs in recent years, you'll be hard pressed to find one that wasn't top 10 offensively, and if they weren't, then they were the 8th seed in the East with under 40 wins like Brooklyn in 2014.

[Greenie]

I like Derrick but dude needs to pass more. He a PG.

People get on SF's for not passing and some of these PG's are getting off easy.

[Newyorknick94]

As much as I love his ability to drive which we havent had for like 10 years, it is always 1 dimensional. He never drives and kicks. He has head down mentality and doesnt create for others. His defense is not the best.

We can probably sign someone much cheaper and use that money to upgrade our backup wing which will be critical as melo keeps falling off at considerate rate.

He drives and kicks all of the time, but who is the "much cheaper" player that you have in mind? Also what backup wing do you have in mind that's an upgrade over Holiday and Kuz?

Here's a list of the best upcoming FA point guards: http://hoopshype.com/2016/11/01/nba-free-agency-2017-point-guards

Pretty much everyone there is getting the max. The only "cheap" guy is Rondo, but if you sign Rondo, a lot of fans are going outright quit the team because watching a lineup with Rondo and Noah in it will make them want to hurt themselves The only other viable option is Patty Mills, an older career bench player.

Max out Jrue or try to get George Hill,Jeff Teague,Patty Mills,Shawn Livingston everyone else is a scrub

[NYKnicksTAPE]

He drives and kicks all of the time, but who is the "much cheaper" player that you have in mind? Also what backup wing do you have in mind that's an upgrade over Holiday and Kuz?

Here's a list of the best upcoming FA point guards: http://hoopshype.com/2016/11/01/nba-free-agency-2017-point-guards

Pretty much everyone there is getting the max. The only "cheap" guy is Rondo, but if you sign Rondo, a lot of fans are going outright quit the team because watching a lineup with Rondo and Noah in it will make them want to hurt themselves The only other viable option is Patty Mills, an older career bench player.

Max out Jrue or try to get George Hill,Jeff Teague,Patty Mills,Shawn Livingston everyone else is a scrub

I honestly don't see the point in going after Patty Mills or Shaun Livingston. Where are they taking us as a starting PG? They're best used off the bench. Jrue should be the priority.

[Newyorknick94]

Here's a list of the best upcoming FA point guards: http://hoopshype.com/2016/11/01/nba-free-agency-2017-point-guards

Pretty much everyone there is getting the max. The only "cheap" guy is Rondo, but if you sign Rondo, a lot of fans are going outright quit the team because watching a lineup with Rondo and Noah in it will make them want to hurt themselves The only other viable option is Patty Mills, an older career bench player.

Well Livingston looks good on GS maybe he can be a quality starter and Patty mills is a smart player but yea I agree both barely move the needle.

Max out Jrue or try to get George Hill,Jeff Teague,Patty Mills,Shawn Livingston everyone else is a scrub

I honestly don't see the point in going after Patty Mills or Shaun Livingston. Where are they taking us as a starting PG? They're best used off the bench. Jrue should be the priority.

[AmazingJason]

Here's a list of the best upcoming FA point guards: http://hoopshype.com/2016/11/01/nba-free-agency-2017-point-guards

Pretty much everyone there is getting the max. The only "cheap" guy is Rondo, but if you sign Rondo, a lot of fans are going outright quit the team because watching a lineup with Rondo and Noah in it will make them want to hurt themselves The only other viable option is Patty Mills, an older career bench player.

Max out Jrue or try to get George Hill,Jeff Teague,Patty Mills,Shawn Livingston everyone else is a scrub

I honestly don't see the point in going after Patty Mills or Shaun Livingston. Where are they taking us as a starting PG? They're best used off the bench. Jrue should be the priority.

Wouldn't mind Jrue. He'd be a great stopgap PG...a pro's pro. Ntikilina or Fox can back him up, while they get stronger and develop their games.

[digitaldropoff]

He drives and kicks all of the time, but who is the "much cheaper" player that you have in mind? Also what backup wing do you have in mind that's an upgrade over Holiday and Kuz?

Here's a list of the best upcoming FA point guards: http://hoopshype.com/2016/11/01/nba-free-agency-2017-point-guards

Pretty much everyone there is getting the max. The only "cheap" guy is Rondo, but if you sign Rondo, a lot of fans are going outright quit the team because watching a lineup with Rondo and Noah in it will make them want to hurt themselves The only other viable option is Patty Mills, an older career bench player.

Max out Jrue or try to get George Hill,Jeff Teague,Patty Mills,Shawn Livingston everyone else is a scrub

Don't the Knicks only have 24 million in cap space next season? If that's true, and only 9 or 10 guys on the books, using all of the cap on one guy would not be wise.

[TankCommander17]

This thread should change is name to "Knicks better rule out DRose extension later in the season".

[AmazingJason]

This thread should change is name to "Knicks better rule out DRose extension later in the season".

I must say, although I don't agree with some of your opinions, you've been a breath of fresh air on this board