Official Melo Trade Thread: WOJ BOMB UPDATE PG 21: Will Waive NTC for HOU and CLE

[Billy Goat]

Our whole summer hinges on this cat and mouse game. Teams expecting the Knicks to give Melo away is a joke. Melo wanting a buyout is a joke. Does he think any team will afford to add him in FA next year? That's a big risk. I would make him play a limited role and ride it out. It is on him and his friends teams to pony up or try to figure out something next year. When they are all another year older.

It's a joke how teams play the Knicks. DO NOT GIVE IN! Let GS win another one because as it stands...NO ONE is beating them. Cleveland needs to make something happen. Houston...make something happen. You're not getting him for free to help you try and win while we pay his salary. Nonsense.

Melo sure as hell isnt in a rush to leave and the Cavs and Rockets dont seem to be in a rush to get him. The Knicks screwed themselves here.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Our whole summer hinges on this cat and mouse game. Teams expecting the Knicks to give Melo away is a joke. Melo wanting a buyout is a joke. Does he think any team will afford to add him in FA next year? That's a big risk. I would make him play a limited role and ride it out. It is on him and his friends teams to pony upo or try to figure out something next year. When they are all another year older.

It's a joke how teams play the Knicks. DO NOT GIVE IN! Let GS win another one because as it stands...NO ONE is beating them. Cleveland needs to make something happen. Houston...make something happen. You're not getting him for free to help you try and win while we pay his salary. Nonsense.

Melo sure as hell isnt in a rush to leave and the Cavs and Rockets dont seem to be in a rush to get him. The Knicks screwed themselves here.

I agree. That NTC was just dumb. I still would not buy him out. Phil is gone. Melo and Noah are his big mistakes. Not making them worse is key. Melo will opt out or his boys will make something happen. No way he tries to wait two years to catch up to his friends. Risk injury. Age. Money. Winning. To prove a point?

[Bklyn&company]

Our whole summer hinges on this cat and mouse game. Teams expecting the Knicks to give Melo away is a joke. Melo wanting a buyout is a joke. Does he think any team will afford to add him in FA next year? That's a big risk. I would make him play a limited role and ride it out. It is on him and his friends teams to pony up or try to figure out something next year. When they are all another year older.

It's a joke how teams play the Knicks. DO NOT GIVE IN! Let GS win another one because as it stands...NO ONE is beating them. Cleveland needs to make something happen. Houston...make something happen. You're not getting him for free to help you try and win while we pay his salary. Nonsense.

Melo sure as hell isnt in a rush to leave and the Cavs and Rockets dont seem to be in a rush to get him. The Knicks screwed themselves here.

No... Phil Jackazz... screwed us not the Knicks... you never announce you are looking to trade a player... Phil showed our hand before even playing the game... he helped in killing Melo trade value. Team know we want to move Melo... they aren't in a rush to get him.

[red96]

As Knicks fans, if Carmelo was traded to Houston for Anderson and 2 1st round picks(1 from Houston and another from a fringe western playoff team) would that type of return appease you guys?

[GEOLINK]

As Knicks fans, if Carmelo was traded to Houston for Anderson and 2 1st round picks(1 from Houston and another from a fringe western playoff team) would that type of return appease you guys?

I'll take it.

[seren]

As Knicks fans, if Carmelo was traded to Houston for Anderson and 2 1st round picks(1 from Houston and another from a fringe western playoff team) would that type of return appease you guys?

No. Problem is his additional one year. That would require a guaranteed lottery pick or at least three picks or an additional young player. Alternatively if Anderson agrees on changing the last year to partial guarantee at a low number two picks would suffice.

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[red96]

As Knicks fans, if Carmelo was traded to Houston for Anderson and 2 1st round picks(1 from Houston and another from a fringe western playoff team) would that type of return appease you guys?

No. Problem is his additional one year. That would require a guaranteed lottery pick or at least three picks or an additional young player. Alternatively if Anderson agrees on changing the last year to partial guarantee at a low number two picks would suffice.

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Three 1st round picks? I wonder how you feel about Noah? Anderson is only overpaid by 4 or so million a year, similar to Carmelo, but he does go a year longer. I don't think it's possible for Houston to come up with all of that. Thanks for the feedback.

[JBreezeNY]

As Knicks fans, if Carmelo was traded to Houston for Anderson and 2 1st round picks(1 from Houston and another from a fringe western playoff team) would that type of return appease you guys?

Swap one of those picks with a lottery team or a team that could potentially be mediocre & you got a deal.

[Dr. Detfink]

Mike said he's okay with it.

But yeah let's keep making things up.

Let me repeat this again for all the knuckleheads...

He said the same thing, when it came to coaching Marbury (again).

Magic Mike is a professional. In other words he's not going to give you the REAL reasons why he hates someone until after he's long gone. When he left NY he also didn't say a single negative thing about Melo, until he found success in Houston. Then and ONLY then he came clean about Melo being the reason why he left New York. I'm going to assume you have a semi-workable TV to watch enough Knick games to know the reason why.

Link: http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/mike-d-antoni-says-carmelo-anthony-forced-coach-s-exit-from-ny-1.13588497


Guys, Melo is NOT going to Houston. Cleveland is the ONLY destination. Lebron is only going to give the Knicks his feces in return.

[Billy Goat]

Our whole summer hinges on this cat and mouse game. Teams expecting the Knicks to give Melo away is a joke. Melo wanting a buyout is a joke. Does he think any team will afford to add him in FA next year? That's a big risk. I would make him play a limited role and ride it out. It is on him and his friends teams to pony upo or try to figure out something next year. When they are all another year older.

It's a joke how teams play the Knicks. DO NOT GIVE IN! Let GS win another one because as it stands...NO ONE is beating them. Cleveland needs to make something happen. Houston...make something happen. You're not getting him for free to help you try and win while we pay his salary. Nonsense.

Melo sure as hell isnt in a rush to leave and the Cavs and Rockets dont seem to be in a rush to get him. The Knicks screwed themselves here.

I agree. That NTC was just dumb. I still would not buy him out. Phil is gone. Melo and Noah are his big mistakes. Not making them worse is key. Melo will opt out or his boys will make something happen. No way he tries to wait two years to catch up to his friends. Risk injury. Age. Money. Winning. To prove a point?

I'd caution against assuming he'll opt out with the amount of money he's due. Melo likes doing things on his terms- if he's guaranteed money from the Knicks- he's going to take it. I think his goal of accumulating as many points as possible meshes the best with the Knicks situation as there's zero pressure to win.

[NoLayupRule]

As Knicks fans, if Carmelo was traded to Houston for Anderson and 2 1st round picks(1 from Houston and another from a fringe western playoff team) would that type of return appease you guys?

It would depend on the year from Houston and the location of that 2nd pick

For example a 2021 unprotected pick would be attractive but a 2019 pick not so much.

But I also think more contract needs to be added as they don't make the same cash.

And that's the further sticking point. Who do they have to move? Capella? Ariza? Not Gordon. His contract is almost as bad as Anderson.

[mpharris36]

As Knicks fans, if Carmelo was traded to Houston for Anderson and 2 1st round picks(1 from Houston and another from a fringe western playoff team) would that type of return appease you guys?

how are you getting the additional 1st round pick?

[NoLayupRule]

Melo sure as hell isnt in a rush to leave and the Cavs and Rockets dont seem to be in a rush to get him. The Knicks screwed themselves here.

I agree. That NTC was just dumb. I still would not buy him out. Phil is gone. Melo and Noah are his big mistakes. Not making them worse is key. Melo will opt out or his boys will make something happen. No way he tries to wait two years to catch up to his friends. Risk injury. Age. Money. Winning. To prove a point?

I'd caution against assuming he'll opt out with the amount of money he's due. Melo likes doing things on his terms- if he's guaranteed money from the Knicks- he's going to take it. I think his goal of accumulating as many points as possible meshes the best with the Knicks situation as there's zero pressure to win.

no, I disagree completely

He wants control of his life
He will sign a 1+1 with a contender

He's not gonna opt in

[VirginiaKnickFan]

As Knicks fans, if Carmelo was traded to Houston for Anderson and 2 1st round picks(1 from Houston and another from a fringe western playoff team) would that type of return appease you guys?

No. Problem is his additional one year. That would require a guaranteed lottery pick or at least three picks or an additional young player. Alternatively if Anderson agrees on changing the last year to partial guarantee at a low number two picks would suffice.

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[moocow007]

As Knicks fans, if Carmelo was traded to Houston for Anderson and 2 1st round picks(1 from Houston and another from a fringe western playoff team) would that type of return appease you guys?

No. Anderson IS the problem. His contract is crap (bigger/longer than Anthony's). He's an even worse defender than Anthony is. A Houston pick is marginal in terms of value. Another from a fringe western playoff team? That's also not exactly titillating to offset Ryan Anderson.

[moocow007]

As Knicks fans, if Carmelo was traded to Houston for Anderson and 2 1st round picks(1 from Houston and another from a fringe western playoff team) would that type of return appease you guys?

No. Problem is his additional one year. That would require a guaranteed lottery pick or at least three picks or an additional young player. Alternatively if Anderson agrees on changing the last year to partial guarantee at a low number two picks would suffice.

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Three 1st round picks? I wonder how you feel about Noah? Anderson is only overpaid by 4 or so million a year, similar to Carmelo, but he does go a year longer. I don't think it's possible for Houston to come up with all of that. Thanks for the feedback.

Find a team that is wiling to take Anderson for nothing and use the trade exception created to trade for Anthony. Or you find another team to bring into the deal that would take Anderson and give the Knicks something other than Anderson.

[ForzaMetro]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybsoqdxp

NY also gets Cedi Osman from CLE and 2018 OKC 1st from Minny.

Minny gets a future 2nd from NY.

It's a good idea, but I think Minny is offering that pick to dump Cole's salary and reduce their number for 2017. Not sure how getting Shumpert back helps them. Might take a little more tweaking, but I think it's the start of a realistic idea. Cavs get their man without trading Love and the Knicks get a 1st rounder and a couple of young players.

[louieOrr]

Melo sure as hell isnt in a rush to leave and the Cavs and Rockets dont seem to be in a rush to get him. The Knicks screwed themselves here.

I agree. That NTC was just dumb. I still would not buy him out. Phil is gone. Melo and Noah are his big mistakes. Not making them worse is key. Melo will opt out or his boys will make something happen. No way he tries to wait two years to catch up to his friends. Risk injury. Age. Money. Winning. To prove a point?

I'd caution against assuming he'll opt out with the amount of money he's due. Melo likes doing things on his terms- if he's guaranteed money from the Knicks- he's going to take it. I think his goal of accumulating as many points as possible meshes the best with the Knicks situation as there's zero pressure to win.

I was thinking about this too. I agree with your first point. There is nothing historically to indicate he would ever opt out of guaranteed $$$ unless he is guaranteed more $$$. By no means is it a given he will opt out after this season if not traded.

[Billy Goat]

I agree. That NTC was just dumb. I still would not buy him out. Phil is gone. Melo and Noah are his big mistakes. Not making them worse is key. Melo will opt out or his boys will make something happen. No way he tries to wait two years to catch up to his friends. Risk injury. Age. Money. Winning. To prove a point?

I'd caution against assuming he'll opt out with the amount of money he's due. Melo likes doing things on his terms- if he's guaranteed money from the Knicks- he's going to take it. I think his goal of accumulating as many points as possible meshes the best with the Knicks situation as there's zero pressure to win.

no, I disagree completely

He wants control of his life
He will sign a 1+1 with a contender

He's not gonna opt in

We'll see. He loses "his terms" when he leaves the Knicks. Literally everything in NY has been catered to him, which he seems to value the most. Living in NY and accumulating points seems to override anything else till proven otherwise...

[Bklyn&company]

NYK Gets: Shump, Frye (Waived), Jefferson (buy out), Felder, Aldrich (waived after 2017), Minn 2018 1st (via Sac), Cavs 2019 2nd rounder (via Portland less favorable from Minn or LAL)

Minn Gets: Cavs 1st 2021 (top 20 pro)

Cavs Gets: Melo

Simple trade, works.. money wise... GeT it done!