Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough

[god shammgod]

My guess is RoLo 1 year/6 million

it depends who else signs. maybe the mini mle for more than 1 year if they sign 2 maxes.

[Mr Rabbit]

The market is over saturated with bigs. Just wait until most of the money dries up and you’ll be able to land a quality backup 5 for dirt cheap.

[iLLmatic860]

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ROLO!!

Always loved RoLo, but makes me wonder what's up with DAJ

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Yeah what does that mean about Jordan

[HEZI]

DLo is THJr part 2 as well

DLo is an All Star who lead his team to the playoffs and proved, even if it was just one year (he's still only 23) that he's capable of carrying the weight. Tell me when has THJ ever carried his team anywhere as the main guy? DLo is closer to Kyrie than he is to THJ

DLo was 24/8 the day the calendar year changed, did it without LeVert or Dinwiddie. 2nd best player was arguably Joe Harris. Dude deserves 20 mil per at his age.

No doubt!

[god shammgod]

at max money d'lo is a big risk. knicks aint interested anyway.

[god shammgod]

The market is over saturated with bigs. Just wait until most of the money dries up and you’ll be able to land a quality backup 5 for dirt cheap.

yeah, there is no need to pay a backup center much money anymore.

[booyaka_jones]

A good chunk of y’all dead ass unironcally believe that we could continue to keep wining 20 games a year in perpetuity while not signing anyone of consequence and somehow convince top flight FAs to come play here. Delusional isn’t even the word. You give KD the bag, hope for his recovery and let him help you recruit. This ain’t rocket science. KD waiting in the wings > not having KD in the wings. I’m done tanking, the tank will never **** end if we keep this **** up.

[thebuzzardman]

This D-lo hate is madness. Dude is young and can ball. he's no Timmy at all.

Timmy couldnt replace g-all stars.

Here's how the analogy holds.

He's not timmy. He's better than that. Just like Randle isn't some "no D scrub who only puts up #'s on bad teams"

BOTH guys are in a position to be paid more than they are worth (initially), at a time when their value is still "rising" (hopefully).

THJr was signed for 17(or 18?) per, for 4 years. It was recognized that it was a bit of an overpay. Mills tried to sugercoat it as saying it was "fair" but that he might even develop and exceed it. Didn't happen.

Now you have two guys in a similar, though BETTER, career arc, but who will also command a MAX salary. DLo for sure, Randle strong possibility.

The THJr comparisons are just a shorthand analogy of possibly overpaying for talent you HOPE rises, but might not.

Both players could blossom and be worth, truly, every cent of 23 million. Both players could exceed the 23 million of value. Both players could fall short, feel like they are worth 5-7 million less than they got paid, and occupy a nice chunk of cap space for 4 years.

It's a risk, and the Knicks, and us as fans, would have to trust their scouts.

And I know "worth" is whatever somebody can get a team to pay. I'm trying to assign a general "bang for buck" with a player, and that is particularly important for max cats.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Disaster is a strong word, but I think it's a bad move. And this is from someone who always liked the idea of signing FA's, and keeping all the kids (within reason) to develop.

You are ok with KD + another star, but not ok with just KD?

Heres the thing. With KD on the shelf theres not even an immediate rush to bring in another star. Whats the difference if we bring in the star in '20 or '21?. It could be an advantage in that we could get a top pick to add to the core next year.

I think if we play that card right we could be set up realky nice short and long term. Durant could be the guy to help our young guys learn how to win

Possible scenario. I think FA money should be used to go all in, and that means at once. With KD, it's go "half in", wait a year, hope for the best and hope KD recovers to 90%.

Not really sold on the idea.

Mostly, any desire I have at seeing KD a Knick now, is so the year long rumors happen so the team and it's fanbase don't look like total chumps.

I disagree with that. I think we need to be prepared to have a multi-year plan if things don't go a certain way.

My plan A would def to spend on 2 superstars right now, but i dont think that's likely to happen. If we leave flexibility there will be opportunities to pick up another star in a trade or free agency later.

For example, in a year we could have something like,:

Mitch
KD
RJ
Beal
Top pick in '20

With maybe some Trier, Frank, Knox, DSJ, dallas picks (trade some of them for Beal maybe,)

[BallSacBounce]

Panic at the disco!

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[thebuzzardman]

You are ok with KD + another star, but not ok with just KD?

Heres the thing. With KD on the shelf theres not even an immediate rush to bring in another star. Whats the difference if we bring in the star in '20 or '21?. It could be an advantage in that we could get a top pick to add to the core next year.

I think if we play that card right we could be set up realky nice short and long term. Durant could be the guy to help our young guys learn how to win

Possible scenario. I think FA money should be used to go all in, and that means at once. With KD, it's go "half in", wait a year, hope for the best and hope KD recovers to 90%.

Not really sold on the idea.

Mostly, any desire I have at seeing KD a Knick now, is so the year long rumors happen so the team and it's fanbase don't look like total chumps.

I disagree with that. I think we need to be prepared to have a multi-year plan if things don't go a certain.

My plan A would def to spend on 2 superstars right now, but i dont think that's likely to happen. If we leave flexibility there will be opportunities to pick up another star in a trade or free agency later

Yup. It's opinion. Nothing wrong with it. Now that KD is gimpy, I'd rather he come with another max player to get the winning attitude started on teh court right away (even though another max player and these young guys, minus KD = 30 wins).
And since KD will be out a year, has question marks and will be paid 40 million, I'd rather the Knicks either pivot to another year of "the kids" or even some DLo\Randle scenario where the team is really young.

[Mecca]

This D-lo hate is madness. Dude is young and can ball. he's no Timmy at all.

Timmy couldnt replace g-all stars.

bless you, thugger. Dude is going into age 23 season, was a top 2 pick in a good draft, has elite skills, and was 24/8 the last 5 months of last year.

Add him to the core and keep it pushing.

[Triple C]

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[Jeff Van Gully]

FK KD !!

I want hard core basketball, not brand-building digital athlete aholes

Where does KD fall short on the court?

i understood the bold. didn't see the not bold as a mutually exclusive concept.

my favorite knick of all time built a brand and was an ahole in an earlier era.

[Jose7]

Can anyone Pm the shams
Article?

[spree2kawhi]

You are ok with KD + another star, but not ok with just KD?

Heres the thing. With KD on the shelf theres not even an immediate rush to bring in another star. Whats the difference if we bring in the star in '20 or '21?. It could be an advantage in that we could get a top pick to add to the core next year.

I think if we play that card right we could be set up realky nice short and long term. Durant could be the guy to help our young guys learn how to win

Possible scenario. I think FA money should be used to go all in, and that means at once. With KD, it's go "half in", wait a year, hope for the best and hope KD recovers to 90%.

Not really sold on the idea.

Mostly, any desire I have at seeing KD a Knick now, is so the year long rumors happen so the team and it's fanbase don't look like total chumps.

I disagree with that. I think we need to be prepared to have a multi-year plan if things don't go a certain way.

My plan A would def to spend on 2 superstars right now, but i dont think that's likely to happen. If we leave flexibility there will be opportunities to pick up another star in a trade or free agency later.

For example, in a year we could have something like,:

Mitch
KD
RJ
Beal
Top pick in '20

With maybe some Trier, Frank, Knox, DSJ, dallas picks (trade some of them for Beal maybe,)

Beal + Randle + KD/Kawhi/Jimmy sounds about right. Keep RJ and Mitch around at all costs and we're good to go.

[BallSacBounce]

A good chunk of y’all dead ass unironcally believe that we could continue to keep wining 20 games a year in perpetuity while not signing anyone of consequence and somehow convince top flight FAs to come play here. Delusional isn’t even the word. You give KD the bag, hope for his recovery and let him help you recruit. This ain’t rocket science. KD waiting in the wings > not having KD in the wings. I’m done tanking, the tank will never **** end if we keep this **** up.

We only tanked for one freaking year get a grip on yourself young man.

We have however, sucked for forever but that is a distinction with a difference.

[Thugger HBC]

This D-lo hate is madness. Dude is young and can ball. he's no Timmy at all.

Timmy couldnt replace g-all stars.

Here's how the analogy holds.

He's not timmy. He's better than that. Just like Randle isn't some "no D scrub who only puts up #'s on bad teams"

BOTH guys are in a position to be paid more than they are worth (initially), at a time when their value is still "rising" (hopefully).

THJr was signed for 17(or 18?) per, for 4 years. It was recognized that it was a bit of an overpay. Mills tried to sugercoat it as saying it was "fair" but that he might even develop and exceed it. Didn't happen.

Now you have two guys in a similar, though BETTER, career arc, but who will also command a MAX salary. DLo for sure, Randle strong possibility.

The THJr comparisons are just a shorthand analogy of possibly overpaying for talent you HOPE rises, but might not.

Both players could blossom and be worth, truly, every cent of 23 million. Both players could exceed the 23 million of value. Both players could fall short, feel like they are worth 5-7 million less than they got paid, and occupy a nice chunk of cap space for 4 years.

It's a risk, and the Knicks, and us as fans, would have to trust their scouts.

And I know "worth" is whatever somebody can get a team to pay. I'm trying to assign a general "bang for buck" with a player, and that is particularly important for max cats.

Nah, I don't see the comparison at all.

Timmy wasn't an overpay, he was grossly overpaid. His best skill is hoping he got hot from the field. That's it, he wasn't good at anything else basketball-wise. He's not a good shooter passer or defender, and can only play sg, and that's because he's 6-6.

I realize the team has it's eyes on certain players and want to remain flexible in the rebuild. I'm cool with it. I don't think D-Lo has even been linked to the Knicks in any fashion, but he is a quality player at a position the Knicks have no one truly qualified in as of today.

[Juco24]

In about 36 hours or so.... this picture should be much cleaner

[Mr Rabbit]

The market is over saturated with bigs. Just wait until most of the money dries up and you’ll be able to land a quality backup 5 for dirt cheap.

yeah, there is no need to pay a backup center much money anymore.

Getting pretty close to being able to say the same thing about starting centers. Unless you’ve got a Jokic/Embiid/AD type of talent, dropping major coin on a 5 is kinda iffy.