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Re: Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST 

Post#1221 » by louisorr » Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:11 pm

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2010 wrote:At some point people gotta hold the decision makers accountable.

Stop justifying bad/mediocre picks by saying “it was the 25th pick” or “the odds are you are gonna get a role player at best at that slot.”

At the end of the day, you have to start judging the basketball people by who they passed on, no merely the slot.

Stop falling for the okie doke and attempting to justify mediocrity.

Anyone who has functioned in a leadership role knows when a chance for success is blown, a meeting is called and decision-makers are made to explain why they weren’t the ones who capitalized on an opportunity to coral success when it was in reach. In this scenario the leadership figure will ascertain if the tools were in place to allow us to recognize and coral the successful scenario. If they are, then someone didn’t do their job and must be held accountable.

If this was Deathrow Records, someone would be getting hands and feet put on them in the Red Room right now.

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but I think it's possible to wait for at least a month of real nba play to judge. I mean Grimes has a pro type body and a skill (shooting) that while he doesn't scream superstar, he does seem to be role player level. and thats probably what the team was looking for. honestly for a guy shooting this poorly, he's actually not shooting that bad. and his general iq and level of hustle is pretty good for a guy who may be dealing with some confidence issues. his plus minus is really great so far too. I'm choosing to stay relaxed and positive about the pick


You patient guys are tryna be the voice of reason. And I’m not mad at that approach. I just pity your confidence in the Knicks decision makers.

Look at it this way. Our approach to the draft were as if we are one-piece away and just need guys who top out as role players.

Meanwhile the Hawks (who gave us the bidness in the playoffs and almost made it to the finals) were out there swinging for the fences. Now have added Jalen Johnson and Sharife Cooper to add to their strong young core IN ADDITION TO their already hella deep veteran rotation.

Long story short, which front office did a better job positioning themselves for the long game. Or for securing further high margin assets for when the next disgruntled star asks out?

If your answer is not the Knicks front office, then you should be as annoyed as me right now. We took a low risk-low reward approach while a better team for now and the future, was out there taking the low risk-high reward approach.

That’s infuriating. All I can do is pity the optimism of some of you.

Hey, I'm just tryin to talk some of you off the ledge, but I'll fully admit I jumped (literally) out of my seat when I thought we had kai and keon coming in. The thing about rationalization is it's rational-so yeah , I'm trying not to panic about these boring moves. hell, I been a die hard since 85, why rush things now?
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Re: Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST 

Post#1222 » by Gravy » Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:15 pm

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Gravy wrote:Some of you guys want to tank every year and obsess over the draft but never expect any busts. You really think we was gonna draft 4 superstars?

Accept your busts its part of drafting!


I definitely don't want to tank every year. And it's not about busts. It's about questioning drafting some guys and passing on other guys and not just blindly defending anyone that is drafted by the Knicks.

I get being concerned if someone is doing poorly or being excited at guys playing well, but its way too early to say we should have picked somebody else. Like the knicks podcast I listened to said, these guys havent even been to training camp yet. Theses SL games are basically pick up games, guys haven't played in months and just met each other like 5 days ago without the real coach on the sidelines and in different roles than they they would have on the real squad. Its a fun distraction not but much to predict their careers on
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Re: Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST 

Post#1223 » by cgmw » Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:18 pm

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cgmw wrote:Look it’s easy to say that now during the off-season while butts aren’t packing seats at the Garden — or other ridiculous out-of-touch statements like you and Chanel calling for a Randle trade — but back in reality fans, the media, basically the entire world will go absolutely apesh*t nuts with positivity for the Knicks if/when Thibs veteran squad outworks opponents for so-called “meaningless” regular season wins.

Prepare yourself, Sham, for the sheer euphoria you’ll feel when we beat Cleveland on a random Tuesday in December because Thibs played Randle, Rose and Kemba 40 minutes each.


this made me laugh

https://www.nba.com/summer-league/2021/vegas/player-stats
Sort for MPG...
Toppin and IQ 1 and 2 lol. Grimes is 4.

???

Summer league is summer league. Thibs is Thibs. His regular season rotations will be short and he will rely heavily on trusted veterans while mercilessly benching inexperienced youth no matter what they did in SL.

Great to see IQ & Obi show chemistry and even better to see McBride show out, but I don't expect any of them to play a major role next season. As long as Thibs is coach, these guys are strictly bench sparks and injury depth.
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Post#1224 » by HEZI » Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:19 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
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He damn sure doesn't look better than Ziare, he's shooting 53% from the field and 50% from three while Grimes is at 27%, almost 2x the percentage. Quentin is playing 34mpg, more than all of the guys you named (Moody, Williams, Franz play 24-25mpg, Mann plays 28), he's getting more opportunities than those guys and only manages to outscore Franz by .2ppg.

It's just summer league, but he looks horrible and he wont be getting 34mpg with the main roster, and we were told he was NBA ready. Where will his playing time come from, that was really the point of my initial post, if you're a coach and you have McBride and Grimes, and you can slot Deuce in at the 2, why would you play Grimes over him based on what we're seeing right now.


He got destroyed last night. If that’s what looking good looks like to you then alright. He got owned by these guys

https://youtu.be/F0OcPJZX8OU





A 19 year old stinks on defense? Shocking :lol:


Exactly why he would never play for Thibs :lol:

Williams isn’t even better than Knox
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Re: Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST 

Post#1225 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:23 pm

HEZI wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
HEZI wrote:
He got destroyed last night. If that’s what looking good looks like to you then alright. He got owned by these guys

https://youtu.be/F0OcPJZX8OU





A 19 year old stinks on defense? Shocking :lol:


Exactly why he would never play for Thibs :lol:

Williams isn’t even better than Knox


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Grimes isn't going to play much for Thibs either, and he's 21 :lol:
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Re: Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST 

Post#1226 » by HEZI » Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:43 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
HEZI wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:

A 19 year old stinks on defense? Shocking :lol:


Exactly why he would never play for Thibs :lol:

Williams isn’t even better than Knox


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Grimes isn't going to play much for Thibs either, and he's 21 :lol:


We got plenty of guard depth so he doesn’t even have to. That’s not the same as wasting a lotto pick on a dude who isn’t good and won’t play.

And yes Knox is better than Williams
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Re: Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST 

Post#1227 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:23 pm

cgmw wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
this made me laugh

https://www.nba.com/summer-league/2021/vegas/player-stats
Sort for MPG...
Toppin and IQ 1 and 2 lol. Grimes is 4.

???

Summer league is summer league. Thibs is Thibs. His regular season rotations will be short and he will rely heavily on trusted veterans while mercilessly benching inexperienced youth no matter what they did in SL.

Great to see IQ & Obi show chemistry and even better to see McBride show out, but I don't expect any of them to play a major role next season. As long as Thibs is coach, these guys are strictly bench sparks and injury depth.


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Post#1228 » by F N 11 » Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:42 pm

Did anybody talk about Rok? Remember he was trash after 1 game.
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Re: Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST 

Post#1229 » by robillionaire » Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:40 pm

F N 11 wrote:Did anybody talk about Rok? Remember he was trash after 1 game.


I was kinda wondering why he didn't play in the 2nd half after a solid 1st
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Post#1230 » by Tron Carter » Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:14 pm

unreadable thread of self loathing, overreactions and Frank talk. now I remember why I take month breaks at a time from this board.
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Re: Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST 

Post#1231 » by HerSports85 » Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:22 pm

i came to the conclusion Grimes need to change his number. the last guy wearing #6 cursed it.
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Post#1232 » by F N 11 » Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:34 pm

Tron Carter wrote:unreadable thread of self loathing, overreactions and Frank talk. now I remember why I take month breaks at a time from this board.

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Re: Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST 

Post#1233 » by newyorker4ever » Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:04 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:McBride is legit


Good to see you finally on the Duece train.
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Post#1234 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:09 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:If you guys upset that we took Grimes over Bones and Jalen Johnson then I won’t argue with you cause I said we should’ve taken those guys as well


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At least a year of this Jalen Johnson bullsh*t. Going to worse than Melo with DSJr after Frank was drafted.

We get it. You like some guy who the Knicks didn't draft.
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Post#1235 » by Juggynaut » Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:12 pm

Grimes look better than Corey Kispert at least
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Post#1236 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:13 pm

2010 wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:Wait I didn't watch the whole game, only caught glimpses, but how did Obi end up 6-17 :(


Obi was just missing shots. But he isn't being criticized cuz he has been playing with infinite energy, making multiple effort plays, has been very aggressive and playing as if he (along with IQ) are alphas - as they should be. I think Obi is gonna be alright.

I always get more concerned with players who play passive and act like they don't belong. That usually doesn't bode well for when the real games begin.


I'm not sure Obi is going to be all right. He's still trying to do that Dr J by way of LFT thing where he sails into the paint with no plan but nice hops, gets all ret*rded like LFT, and misses badly. And all this against guys who will be playing in Shanghai soon.
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Re: Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST 

Post#1237 » by TerrenceClarke » Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:15 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
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3toheadmelo wrote:If you guys upset that we took Grimes over Bones and Jalen Johnson then I won’t argue with you cause I said we should’ve taken those guys as well


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At least a year of this Jalen Johnson bullsh*t. Going to worse than Melo with DSJr after Frank was drafted.

We get it. You like some guy who the Knicks didn't draft.


A mofo like you who whomp whomp damn near everything on this board,has the nerve to call something out lol.You write essays on your displeasures weekly. I get it,you just want to have something to say right now. Carry on.
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Post#1238 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:18 pm

HEZI wrote:
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Wagner, Moody, Zaire. Then other guys like Tre Mann who haven't done anything worth talking about either.




He damn sure doesn't look better than Ziare, he's shooting 53% from the field and 50% from three while Grimes is at 27%, almost 2x the percentage. Quentin is playing 34mpg, more than all of the guys you named (Moody, Williams, Franz play 24-25mpg, Mann plays 28), he's getting more opportunities than those guys and only manages to outscore Franz by .2ppg.

It's just summer league, but he looks horrible and he wont be getting 34mpg with the main roster, and we were told he was NBA ready. Where will his playing time come from, that was really the point of my initial post, if you're a coach and you have McBride and Grimes, and you can slot Deuce in at the 2, why would you play Grimes over him based on what we're seeing right now.


He got destroyed last night. If that’s what looking good looks like to you then alright. He got owned by these guys

https://youtu.be/F0OcPJZX8OU




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Post#1239 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:18 pm

TerrenceClarke wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
TerrenceClarke wrote:
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At least a year of this Jalen Johnson bullsh*t. Going to worse than Melo with DSJr after Frank was drafted.

We get it. You like some guy who the Knicks didn't draft.


A mofo like you who whomp whomp damn near everything on this board,has the nerve to call something out lol.You write essays on your displeasures weekly. I get it,you just want to have something to say right now. Carry on.


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Re: Summer League Gm 3: Knicks vs Lakers 10PM EST 

Post#1240 » by prophet_of_rage » Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:33 pm

louisorr wrote:
2010 wrote:
louisorr wrote:but I think it's possible to wait for at least a month of real nba play to judge. I mean Grimes has a pro type body and a skill (shooting) that while he doesn't scream superstar, he does seem to be role player level. and thats probably what the team was looking for. honestly for a guy shooting this poorly, he's actually not shooting that bad. and his general iq and level of hustle is pretty good for a guy who may be dealing with some confidence issues. his plus minus is really great so far too. I'm choosing to stay relaxed and positive about the pick


You patient guys are tryna be the voice of reason. And I’m not mad at that approach. I just pity your confidence in the Knicks decision makers.

Look at it this way. Our approach to the draft were as if we are one-piece away and just need guys who top out as role players.

Meanwhile the Hawks (who gave us the bidness in the playoffs and almost made it to the finals) were out there swinging for the fences. Now have added Jalen Johnson and Sharife Cooper to add to their strong young core IN ADDITION TO their already hella deep veteran rotation.

Long story short, which front office did a better job positioning themselves for the long game. Or for securing further high margin assets for when the next disgruntled star asks out?

If your answer is not the Knicks front office, then you should be as annoyed as me right now. We took a low risk-low reward approach while a better team for now and the future, was out there taking the low risk-high reward approach.

That’s infuriating. All I can do is pity the optimism of some of you.

Hey, I'm just tryin to talk some of you off the ledge, but I'll fully admit I jumped (literally) out of my seat when I thought we had kai and keon coming in. The thing about rationalization is it's rational-so yeah , I'm trying not to panic about these boring moves. hell, I been a die hard since 85, why rush things now?
I felt the same way. It was slow build with potentially exciting players. But they hit for a single versus swinging for the fences. I get this FO's style. It is actually the opposite of what we complain about and yet secretly do. They don't starphuck at all.

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