Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond

[8516knicks]

Mitch does, but timelord is even more frail

Yes but at least he’s healthy right now and in shape

...with how fragile both are, is that a good thing? We need a healthy defensive anchor in the spring, we can get by for now.

Especially with Precious getting back soon and a possible Dadiet + Sims + WSH FRP for Kessler trade closer to the deadline.

Can't see Ainge doing that deal.

[cgf]

Yes but at least he’s healthy right now and in shape

...with how fragile both are, is that a good thing? We need a healthy defensive anchor in the spring, we can get by for now.

Especially with Precious getting back soon and a possible Dadiet + Sims + WSH FRP for Kessler trade closer to the deadline.

Can't see Ainge doing that deal.

Before Kessler started the season so well it made a lot of sense; Utah has a ton of guards but no big wing prospects & Dadiet fits their timeline much better than ours...but if Ainge sees Kessler as a keeper again then you're probably right, so let's hope the kid ruins their tank too much for Danny to resist

...that said, given Ainge's history with his role player trades, that might just be more than what it would actually cost

[sol537]

I still think we see how we do with Precious/Mitch back before exploring any trades. And if we do make a trade at the deadline, it will probably be for someone no one expects (like when we brought in Hart/OG the last few years)...

[3toheadmelo]

Does Precious or Mitch for rob williams work?

Precious for Westbrook

Why do you and guan0 try to ruin everything good that we have

[Chanel Bomber]

Does Precious or Mitch for rob williams work?

Precious for Westbrook

Why do you and guan0 try to ruin everything good that we have

Yes

[finestrg]

I still think we see how we do with Precious/Mitch back before exploring any trades. And if we do make a trade at the deadline, it will probably be for someone no one expects (like when we brought in Hart/OG the last few years)...

I agree, I think this is where we are. First Achiuwa will be back soon and he should help us, then eventually Mitch will be back and we finally get close to becoming whole. At least it's good to know that the things we need the most -- additional front court size/a legit backup C -- are already here, we just need to be patient and wait for them to become healthy, which is easier said than done, esp. for me lol.

Question -- I also think TJ Warren could really help our bench scoring. Dude is playing great ball for Westchester, most importantly, he's also playing a lot of mins so far which goes a long way in telling me the man's healthy. A healthy TJ Warren is gonna produce points in bunches, simple as that. Plus I never thought he was a sieve on the glass or defensively too -- he'll rebound some and play enough D...I mean this dude's a real nice player, POTENT! And we could add him for nothing, wouldn't have to give up a single asset. He's basically already here in house!
https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/w/warretj02d.html

Does anyone see any way we might be able to add TJ Warren to the mix here? I mean i get the plan has always been to stay under Apron 2 at all costs but could there be a point in the season where we say **** it, we're willing to enter Apron 2 in order to add a very good vet min player like Warren (in addition to adding Shamet if/when he's healthy)? What if we elected to add Warren around Christmas time or early January? Would that kill us to go into Apron 2 for say half a season? I'm not sure how stiff the penalties would be to go into Apron 2 for half a season... Anyone know?

[ctorres]

OG's value is getting higher with every game

If the Knicks could get Lebron from the Lakers for OG without giving up Brunson, Hart, Bridges, and Towns, would you consider it?

I think if the Lakers and Lebron mutually consider that a trade is what is best for both parties, then I feel the Lakers would go for a new all-star defensive stud wing/4 to pair with AD and maybe a role player or two from the Knicks.

What if this year is the only year you can make the trade?

Right now, our hopes are riding on this starting lineup staying healthy and winning a championship together.

How would the rest of the guys' egos handle Lebron getting all the glory for winning his 5th championship if we did somehow trade OG for Lebron?

How would Lebron drastically alter his role to fit with the rest of the guys and play with arguably the most close-to-perfect starting lineup ever?

Very few teams where a Lebron trade is feasible. Knicks would make sense here. A Warriors trade for Lebron could have happened last year if Lebron wanted it. The Warriors were ready to do it.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

I still think we see how we do with Precious/Mitch back before exploring any trades. And if we do make a trade at the deadline, it will probably be for someone no one expects (like when we brought in Hart/OG the last few years)...

I agree, I think this is where we are. First Achiuwa will be back soon and he should help us, then eventually Mitch will be back and we finally get close to becoming whole. At least it's good to know that the things we need the most -- additional front court size/a legit backup C -- are already here, we just need to be patient and wait for them to become healthy, which is easier said than done, esp. for me lol.

Question -- I also think TJ Warren could really help our bench scoring. Dude is playing great ball for Westchester, most importantly, he's also playing a lot of mins so far which goes a long way in telling me the man's healthy. A healthy TJ Warren is gonna produce points in bunches, simple as that. Plus I never thought he was a sieve on the glass or defensively too -- he'll rebound some and play enough D...I mean this dude's a real nice player, POTENT! And we could add him for nothing, wouldn't have to give up a single asset. He's basically already here in house!
https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/w/warretj02d.html

Does anyone see any way we might be able to add TJ Warren to the mix here? I mean i get the plan has always been to stay under Apron 2 at all costs but could there be a point in the season where we say **** it, we're willing to enter Apron 2 in order to add a very good vet min player like Warren (in addition to adding Shamet if/when he's healthy)? What if we elected to add Warren around Christmas time or early January? Would that kill us to go into Apron 2 for say half a season? I'm not sure how stiff the penalties would be to go into Apron 2 for half a season... Anyone know?

It's simply not allowed for the Knicks to go into Apron 2 this season. If you can't trade salary off the books you just have to wait until 24 Feb to sign TJ or Shamet

[thebuzzardman]

I still think we see how we do with Precious/Mitch back before exploring any trades. And if we do make a trade at the deadline, it will probably be for someone no one expects (like when we brought in Hart/OG the last few years)...

I agree, I think this is where we are. First Achiuwa will be back soon and he should help us, then eventually Mitch will be back and we finally get close to becoming whole. At least it's good to know that the things we need the most -- additional front court size/a legit backup C -- are already here, we just need to be patient and wait for them to become healthy, which is easier said than done, esp. for me lol.

Question -- I also think TJ Warren could really help our bench scoring. Dude is playing great ball for Westchester, most importantly, he's also playing a lot of mins so far which goes a long way in telling me the man's healthy. A healthy TJ Warren is gonna produce points in bunches, simple as that. Plus I never thought he was a sieve on the glass or defensively too -- he'll rebound some and play enough D...I mean this dude's a real nice player, POTENT! And we could add him for nothing, wouldn't have to give up a single asset. He's basically already here in house!
https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/w/warretj02d.html

Does anyone see any way we might be able to add TJ Warren to the mix here? I mean i get the plan has always been to stay under Apron 2 at all costs but could there be a point in the season where we say **** it, we're willing to enter Apron 2 in order to add a very good vet min player like Warren (in addition to adding Shamet if/when he's healthy)? What if we elected to add Warren around Christmas time or early January? Would that kill us to go into Apron 2 for say half a season? I'm not sure how stiff the penalties would be to go into Apron 2 for half a season... Anyone know?

It's simply not allowed for the Knicks to go into Apron 2 this season. If you can't trade salary off the books you just have to wait until 24 Feb to sign TJ or Shamet

I think that's what they do. He becomes like a cheap "trade deadline" move.

Other than the Knicks trade one of their centers. If not now, eventually

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks are going to use Mitch to get Divo back. Three team trade in the Offseason.

[finestrg]

I agree, I think this is where we are. First Achiuwa will be back soon and he should help us, then eventually Mitch will be back and we finally get close to becoming whole. At least it's good to know that the things we need the most -- additional front court size/a legit backup C -- are already here, we just need to be patient and wait for them to become healthy, which is easier said than done, esp. for me lol.

Question -- I also think TJ Warren could really help our bench scoring. Dude is playing great ball for Westchester, most importantly, he's also playing a lot of mins so far which goes a long way in telling me the man's healthy. A healthy TJ Warren is gonna produce points in bunches, simple as that. Plus I never thought he was a sieve on the glass or defensively too -- he'll rebound some and play enough D...I mean this dude's a real nice player, POTENT! And we could add him for nothing, wouldn't have to give up a single asset. He's basically already here in house!
https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/w/warretj02d.html

Does anyone see any way we might be able to add TJ Warren to the mix here? I mean i get the plan has always been to stay under Apron 2 at all costs but could there be a point in the season where we say **** it, we're willing to enter Apron 2 in order to add a very good vet min player like Warren (in addition to adding Shamet if/when he's healthy)? What if we elected to add Warren around Christmas time or early January? Would that kill us to go into Apron 2 for say half a season? I'm not sure how stiff the penalties would be to go into Apron 2 for half a season... Anyone know?

It's simply not allowed for the Knicks to go into Apron 2 this season. If you can't trade salary off the books you just have to wait until 24 Feb to sign TJ or Shamet

I think that's what they do. He becomes like a cheap "trade deadline" move.

Other than the Knicks trade one of their centers. If not now, eventually

Ok so I think I get it.

Just want to clarify -- what's the significance of February 24th?
- Is that the date when Warren's vet minimum deal gets reduced enough where we could add him without going into the 2nd apron?
- At that time, will there be enough cap room to add both Shamet and Warren w/o entering the 2nd Apron?

[cgf]

I still think we see how we do with Precious/Mitch back before exploring any trades. And if we do make a trade at the deadline, it will probably be for someone no one expects (like when we brought in Hart/OG the last few years)...

Yeah. If getting Robinson/Achiuwa back has the effect I think, then we'll be in a really good place...with injury protection in the front court being my main concern...but things could well go differently and those salary slots could suddenly find themselves better utilized elsewhere.

I'm optimistic because I do think we can be a better version of last season's Wolves...Mitch/Precious may not be Rudy, but Brunson is a more mature #1 than Ant, with a better command of the offense & 3ball. Plus we have a lot more shooting around our #1 option + twin towers...OG, Mikal, Hart, Deuce, & Payne, vs Reid, McDaniels, SloMo, NAW, & Conley.

I know the offense has been putting up video game #s with Karl at the 5, but I really think this team can be top 5 on both ends of the court with Karl at the 4 when we get Robinson & Achiuwa back.

[sol537]

I still think we see how we do with Precious/Mitch back before exploring any trades. And if we do make a trade at the deadline, it will probably be for someone no one expects (like when we brought in Hart/OG the last few years)...

Yeah. If getting Robinson/Achiuwa back has the effect I think, then we'll be in a really good place...with injury protection in the front court being my main concern...but things could well go differently and those salary slots could suddenly find themselves better utilized elsewhere.

I'm optimistic because I do think we can be a better version of last season's Wolves...Mitch/Precious may not be Rudy, but Brunson is a more mature #1 than Ant, with a better command of the offense & 3ball. Plus we have a lot more shooting around our #1 option + twin towers...OG, Mikal, Deuce, Payne, & Hart vs Reid, McDaniels, SloMo, NAW, & Conley.

I know the offense has been putting up video game #s with Karl at the 5, but I really think this team can be top 5 on both ends of the court with Karl at the 4 when we get Robinson & Achiuwa back.

Agreed... however, will Thibs try KAT next to Precious or Mitch? I would hope so but there's a chance he doesn't and just uses Precious in the Sims role, as crazy as that would be. I hope Thibs gives Sims' minutes to Mitch and then let's Precious get some back-up 4 minutes so that KAT can play next to one of those two guys for close to 20-24 minutes every game. That seems like an ideal scenario so you get the best of both worlds and you can adjust on the fly depending on what's working that particular night.

We know that Mitch was shopped this past off-season and we know that Precious signed his $6m with the caveat that he might be traded so it's not out of the question that one or both get traded this trade deadline. I do hope we get to see them in action with this squad first to gauge the fits first.

[cgf]

I agree, I think this is where we are. First Achiuwa will be back soon and he should help us, then eventually Mitch will be back and we finally get close to becoming whole. At least it's good to know that the things we need the most -- additional front court size/a legit backup C -- are already here, we just need to be patient and wait for them to become healthy, which is easier said than done, esp. for me lol.

Question -- I also think TJ Warren could really help our bench scoring. Dude is playing great ball for Westchester, most importantly, he's also playing a lot of mins so far which goes a long way in telling me the man's healthy. A healthy TJ Warren is gonna produce points in bunches, simple as that. Plus I never thought he was a sieve on the glass or defensively too -- he'll rebound some and play enough D...I mean this dude's a real nice player, POTENT! And we could add him for nothing, wouldn't have to give up a single asset. He's basically already here in house!
https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/w/warretj02d.html

Does anyone see any way we might be able to add TJ Warren to the mix here? I mean i get the plan has always been to stay under Apron 2 at all costs but could there be a point in the season where we say **** it, we're willing to enter Apron 2 in order to add a very good vet min player like Warren (in addition to adding Shamet if/when he's healthy)? What if we elected to add Warren around Christmas time or early January? Would that kill us to go into Apron 2 for say half a season? I'm not sure how stiff the penalties would be to go into Apron 2 for half a season... Anyone know?

It's simply not allowed for the Knicks to go into Apron 2 this season. If you can't trade salary off the books you just have to wait until 24 Feb to sign TJ or Shamet

Ok so I think I get it.

Just want to clarify -- what's the significance of February 24th?
- Is that the date when Warren's vet minimum deal gets reduced enough where we could add him without going into the 2nd apron?
- At that time, will there be enough cap room to add both Shamet and Warren w/o entering the 2nd Apron?

Let's ask the guy the NBA goes to for all CBA questions:

...

[Spree2Houston]

OG's value is getting higher with every game

If the Knicks could get Lebron from the Lakers for OG without giving up Brunson, Hart, Bridges, and Towns, would you consider it?

I think if the Lakers and Lebron mutually consider that a trade is what is best for both parties, then I feel the Lakers would go for a new all-star defensive stud wing/4 to pair with AD and maybe a role player or two from the Knicks.

What if this year is the only year you can make the trade?

Right now, our hopes are riding on this starting lineup staying healthy and winning a championship together.

How would the rest of the guys' egos handle Lebron getting all the glory for winning his 5th championship if we did somehow trade OG for Lebron?

How would Lebron drastically alter his role to fit with the rest of the guys and play with arguably the most close-to-perfect starting lineup ever?

Very few teams where a Lebron trade is feasible. Knicks would make sense here. A Warriors trade for Lebron could have happened last year if Lebron wanted it. The Warriors were ready to do it.

Take the day off

[cgf]

I still think we see how we do with Precious/Mitch back before exploring any trades. And if we do make a trade at the deadline, it will probably be for someone no one expects (like when we brought in Hart/OG the last few years)...

Yeah. If getting Robinson/Achiuwa back has the effect I think, then we'll be in a really good place...with injury protection in the front court being my main concern...but things could well go differently and those salary slots could suddenly find themselves better utilized elsewhere.

I'm optimistic because I do think we can be a better version of last season's Wolves...Mitch/Precious may not be Rudy, but Brunson is a more mature #1 than Ant, with a better command of the offense & 3ball. Plus we have a lot more shooting around our #1 option + twin towers...OG, Mikal, Deuce, Payne, & Hart vs Reid, McDaniels, SloMo, NAW, & Conley.

I know the offense has been putting up video game #s with Karl at the 5, but I really think this team can be top 5 on both ends of the court with Karl at the 4 when we get Robinson & Achiuwa back.

Agreed... however, will Thibs try KAT next to Precious or Mitch? I would hope so but there's a chance he doesn't and just uses Precious in the Sims role, as crazy as that would be. I hope Thibs gives Sims' minutes to Mitch and then let's Precious get some back-up 4 minutes so that KAT can play next to one of those two guys for close to 20-24 minutes every game. That seems like an ideal scenario so you get the best of both worlds and you can adjust on the fly depending on what's working that particular night.

We know that Mitch was shopped this past off-season and we know that Precious signed his $6m with the caveat that he might be traded so it's not out of the question that one or both get traded this trade deadline. I do hope we get to see them in action with this squad first to gauge the fits first.

It'll likely be a gradual process, with Thibs trying to balance giving the current starting 5 as much PT together to build chemistry as he can and exploring different combinations with the core group. Over time I think we'll find that the team is just more of a machine when Precious or Mitch is in there next to KAT, especially as they develop chemistry with him.

[thebuzzardman]

It's simply not allowed for the Knicks to go into Apron 2 this season. If you can't trade salary off the books you just have to wait until 24 Feb to sign TJ or Shamet

Ok so I think I get it.

Just want to clarify -- what's the significance of February 24th?
- Is that the date when Warren's vet minimum deal gets reduced enough where we could add him without going into the 2nd apron?
- At that time, will there be enough cap room to add both Shamet and Warren w/o entering the 2nd Apron?

Let's ask the guy the NBA goes to for all CBA questions:

...

BXetc knows the answer. I think it's that the prorated salary of Shamet and\or Warren are low enough to fit under the cap.
I think there is some Aller magic where both Warren AND Shamet can be on the team but that part confuses me

[thebuzzardman]

Precious coming back means OGs minutes can drop some, which has a chain reaction to Hart and Bridges too. Deuce coming back helps as well.

Maybe the defense picks up just based on players knowing there are a couple of viable backups to come in for foul trouble
Mitch is an obvious upgrade over Sims.
If Knicks don't trade him

[Scoot McGroot]

Ok so I think I get it.

Just want to clarify -- what's the significance of February 24th?
- Is that the date when Warren's vet minimum deal gets reduced enough where we could add him without going into the 2nd apron?
- At that time, will there be enough cap room to add both Shamet and Warren w/o entering the 2nd Apron?

Let's ask the guy the NBA goes to for all CBA questions:

...

BXetc knows the answer. I think it's that the prorated salary of Shamet and\or Warren are low enough to fit under the cap.
I think there is some Aller magic where both Warren AND Shamet can be on the team but that part confuses me

Yes, NY is hard capped at the second apron, and can’t cross it at any time for any reason this season.

I haven’t done the math of when the proration of the vet minimum will get low enough, but February 24th is very realistic and would probably be right, or pretty close, if others have worked out the math. I would assume there’s some other work around like waiving Matt Ryan before his guarantee date on 1/10, waiting 2 weeks and then running 10 day contracts? I haven’t done the math, but it’s possible. Also, I think NY only did 2 weeks short of 14 before, so they might have 2 weeks remaining?

[Juco24]

OG's value is getting higher with every game

If the Knicks could get Lebron from the Lakers for OG without giving up Brunson, Hart, Bridges, and Towns, would you consider it?

I think if the Lakers and Lebron mutually consider that a trade is what is best for both parties, then I feel the Lakers would go for a new all-star defensive stud wing/4 to pair with AD and maybe a role player or two from the Knicks.

What if this year is the only year you can make the trade?

Right now, our hopes are riding on this starting lineup staying healthy and winning a championship together.

How would the rest of the guys' egos handle Lebron getting all the glory for winning his 5th championship if we did somehow trade OG for Lebron?

How would Lebron drastically alter his role to fit with the rest of the guys and play with arguably the most close-to-perfect starting lineup ever?

Very few teams where a Lebron trade is feasible. Knicks would make sense here. A Warriors trade for Lebron could have happened last year if Lebron wanted it. The Warriors were ready to do it.

Take the day off

That's some high powered ish Ctorres is on