PG: Team win - Frenchie w/ 41 - RJ first career game winner - Randle vs Fans

[El Poochio]

RJ is not helping any team win at the moment. The eye test suggests it, the statistical evidence proves it.

If only he could hit some buzzer beaters to help a team win

[Im Coming Home]

So we have to build an entire roster around RJ for him to succeed?

And what if the Knicks still suck?

Every player in the NBA can use floor spacers and stretch 5s. These aren't just undervalued commodities.

What has RJ done to warrant having a roster built around him more than Randle, Obi or Mitch? Because they suffer from RJ's lack of shooting too.

I think you still need a # 1 option, but if you get another alpha that plays team ball and, in particular, is copasetic with pushing the pace, then RJ could be a dynamic # 2. Standing around in boring half court ISO ball is a detriment to his natural inclinations, so it is not so much a matter of building around him, but with him. When playing with the right teammates, RJ is a guy who will make those around him better, not worse.

If RJ becomes consistent, there is still more upside than he is given credit for. His high water marks so far show that scoring 25 points in a game is not really that big a deal for him when he gets in a rhythm.

Well, he rarely gets in a rhythm.

So who's this magical "alpha that plays team ball" who helps RJ AND who benefits from RJ's style of play?

Jokic? Curry?

And are we sure they need his 33% from 3 and lack of ability to finish at the rim?

Why would they want him over another average 3&D wing who can play passable defense and not shoot well from 3?

RJ is not helping any team win at the moment. The eye test suggests it, the statistical evidence proves it.

We're just reaching with those "he just needs the right cast of players around him to make them better", and deep down you know it. Because you're scrambling to find something good in hypothetical scenarios that are tailored to his individual needs. That's how you know it's not happening in real life.

Imagine saying this right after he hits a game-winner quite LITERALLY the biggest way to help 'a team win'

[HEZI]

RJ is not helping any team win at the moment. The eye test suggests it, the statistical evidence proves it.

If only he could hit some buzzer beaters to help a team win

[blueNorange]

you know the possibility of this team using this to unite, come together, and all raise their level of play isn't out of the question.

for all we know the entire team agrees with randle.

[Chanel Bomber]

RJ is not helping any team win at the moment. The eye test suggests it, the statistical evidence proves it.

If only he could hit some buzzer beaters to help a team win

If only games lasted only one possession.

[Da_Mane_Man]

you know the possibility of this team using this to unite, come together, and all raise their level of play isn't out of the question.

for all we know the entire team agrees with randle.

unusually positive take from you. i disagree

[BugginOut]

Where the hell is Kemba? We really broke him riding him 40+ minutes during Covid week huh?

[Chanel Bomber]

I think you still need a # 1 option, but if you get another alpha that plays team ball and, in particular, is copasetic with pushing the pace, then RJ could be a dynamic # 2. Standing around in boring half court ISO ball is a detriment to his natural inclinations, so it is not so much a matter of building around him, but with him. When playing with the right teammates, RJ is a guy who will make those around him better, not worse.

If RJ becomes consistent, there is still more upside than he is given credit for. His high water marks so far show that scoring 25 points in a game is not really that big a deal for him when he gets in a rhythm.

Well, he rarely gets in a rhythm.

So who's this magical "alpha that plays team ball" who helps RJ AND who benefits from RJ's style of play?

Jokic? Curry?

And are we sure they need his 33% from 3 and lack of ability to finish at the rim?

Why would they want him over another average 3&D wing who can play passable defense and not shoot well from 3?

RJ is not helping any team win at the moment. The eye test suggests it, the statistical evidence proves it.

We're just reaching with those "he just needs the right cast of players around him to make them better", and deep down you know it. Because you're scrambling to find something good in hypothetical scenarios that are tailored to his individual needs. That's how you know it's not happening in real life.

Imagine saying this right after he hits a game-winner quite LITERALLY the biggest way to help 'a team win'

RJ shot 4 for 15.

His TS% last night was 38.78%. His FG% was 26.7%.

His efficiency for the entire season is awful.

RJ's game-winner was beautiful. But games don't last for only one possession.

You're missing the bigger picture here.

[blueNorange]

you know the possibility of this team using this to unite, come together, and all raise their level of play isn't out of the question.

for all we know the entire team agrees with randle.

unusually positive take from you. i disagree

just like i had zero issues with lindor/baez telling fans to f off, i have no problem with what randle did.

but i also understand the consequences that follow when you do that and why it's wrong because the entire team has to answer for you.

[Clyde_Style]

Posters whereeeee

Stunning photo of an athletic specimen soaring through the air getting off an impossible shot with no time to spare against the best efforts of their formidable adversary

Spoiler:

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Stylin

[TrueWarrior]

Where the hell is Kemba? We really broke him riding him 40+ minutes during Covid week huh?

Yes, because Thibs is a maniac.

Hes back to playing Julius 40 mpg again too, when it’s obvious Ju needs his minutes cut a bit to keep him more energetic and accountable.

Thibs thinks people are robots, and he has not learned anything over the years.

[prophet_of_rage]

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Shaq puts it perfectly.

“Heavy is the head that wears the crown.”

Even Ernie agreed.

But these athletes were built different. I understand we’re in an era where everyone is up in their feelings now. A comedian had to apologize the other day for posting a picture on Instagram with his friend, Dave Chappelle. That’s the era we’re living in. Apologizing for pictures with friends.

Yeah they were from the era shut up n dribble

Amd they didn't shut up then.

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[Chanel Bomber]

He's not a shooter, he's a scorer but he has to play the role of a shooter because we have terrible floor spacing, bigs that clog the paint, a stagnant offense built around a black hole outdated PF type. Yet even under that circumstance, RJ has flashed potential and found ways to have very good games. Now if only we can actually put the right pieces around him to maximize him, that'd be great

So we have to build an entire roster around RJ for him to succeed?

And what if the Knicks still suck?

Every player in the NBA can use floor spacers and stretch 5s. These aren't just undervalued commodities.

What has RJ done to warrant having a roster built around him more than Randle, Obi or Mitch? Because they suffer from RJ's lack of shooting too.

Never even said build the roster around him, he doesn't even need that. RJ would thrive on a lot of other teams because for one they don't have to play Randle ball and for two they have a style that would fit him better than what we have.

Also, what do we mean by succeed? Put up numbers on a bad team as a primary option? If so, he can definitely do that, like many of your favorite players can. Give him the opportunity to play on a team with Zero expectation as the main guy and watch his numbers without taking into account how awful the team would be, there's a lot of those guys out there in the league.

I disagree that he would thrive on a lot of other teams, although I genuinely don't know what you consider as "thriving". How do you measure RJ as "thriving"?

I think RJ's currently a bench player on a good team. Because good teams don't need his shot creation skills and good teams expect better than 33% from 3 and passable defense from their 3&D guys.

Does Randle hurt RJ's game a little bit? Probably. But Randle's not the difference between RJ being an inefficient player on the Knicks and a stud. Most teams have ball-dominant players anyway - this is not some sort of Knicks exceptionalism. Randle just isn't as good at it as most All-Stars, but generally you have guys fitting into that role.

Many NBA players can put up numbers on low efficiency on bad teams. I don't know where that fits into the conversation. It was never part of my argument.

[blueNorange]

both rj and randle are having very humbling seasons in their own way.

hopefully they both prosper from this next year.

[Clyde_Style]

Well, he rarely gets in a rhythm.

So who's this magical "alpha that plays team ball" who helps RJ AND who benefits from RJ's style of play?

Jokic? Curry?

And are we sure they need his 33% from 3 and lack of ability to finish at the rim?

Why would they want him over another average 3&D wing who can play passable defense and not shoot well from 3?

RJ is not helping any team win at the moment. The eye test suggests it, the statistical evidence proves it.

We're just reaching with those "he just needs the right cast of players around him to make them better", and deep down you know it. Because you're scrambling to find something good in hypothetical scenarios that are tailored to his individual needs. That's how you know it's not happening in real life.

Imagine saying this right after he hits a game-winner quite LITERALLY the biggest way to help 'a team win'

RJ shot 4 for 15.

His TS% last night was 38.78%. His FG% was 26.7%.

His efficiency for the entire season is awful.

RJ's game-winner was beautiful. But games don't last for only one possession.

You're missing the bigger picture here.

Didn't he have 3 or 4 clutch plays in the final minute or two?

Your reputation as RJ's biggest supporter is on the line

[prophet_of_rage]

Randle is exactly what I thought he was. A mental weakling who wants to bask in the glory when fans are chanting “MVP” yet wants to sulk when is other teammates get shine. Wants to give the thumbs down and tell the people paying his salary to STFU when we are honest about his performance and effort level.

Get this guy tf outta NY, man! He is no leader. He is a cancer.

He can hold that fake ass apology too. People wanted to crucify Baez and Lindor when they did this for the Mets. Management and ownership got on their ass.

Here on the Knicks, they type him up a phony apology as damage control. And fans over here acting like it’s all good.

Y’all really deserve this yayo-jawed bum!

Randle fans wouldn’t even want that narcissist to be their homie lol.

My thoughts about him were 100% right although I was going off of a hunch he is a not good person. Narcissist say 1 thing and actions show the opposite.

That's a hypocrite. Narcissists have a personality disorder where everything is about them.

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[Clyde_Style]

RJ is not helping any team win at the moment. The eye test suggests it, the statistical evidence proves it.

If only he could hit some buzzer beaters to help a team win

We can only dream of it for now. Some day

[Adelheid]

Where the hell is Kemba? We really broke him riding him 40+ minutes during Covid week huh?

i hope leon looks and evaluates how thibs manhandles his rotation players. this cant be good in the long run

[prophet_of_rage]

If NY was as tough place as advertised Dolan wouldnt be able to keep his seat for 20+ years

Ah ha.

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[Chanel Bomber]

Imagine saying this right after he hits a game-winner quite LITERALLY the biggest way to help 'a team win'

RJ shot 4 for 15.

His TS% last night was 38.78%. His FG% was 26.7%.

His efficiency for the entire season is awful.

RJ's game-winner was beautiful. But games don't last for only one possession.

You're missing the bigger picture here.

Didn't he have 3 or 4 clutch plays in the final minute or two?

Your reputation as RJ's biggest supporter is on the line

He made a great pass to Mitch with like 1:20 remaining, and he went to the line, although I don't remember the play that led to him getting the two free throws.

I just try not to judge players on some plays here and there, or one-game, or one-month sample sizes. That's how you lose sight of their overall performance and impact on team success.

Good players are consistent. RJ so far hasn't been consistent as an NBA player. I'm not saying to bash the kid, that's just the reality of the situation.